Captain America vs. Wolverine (Twist)

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's a very useful fighting style/battle tactic especially for someone with Wade's attributes but is a specific fighting style a "strategy"? Every decision you make is going to based on something, and will have reasoning and merit behind it but if simply fighting the way you are most suited is a strategy then almost everything else is as well.

I said nothing about a style. Only "flow" as you put it. Not thinking and just doing whatever happens as it happens. Basically just reacting.

Not a strategy? I beg to differ.

And I still believe Beast vs. Danger is a great example of this.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

I'd say between five and seven feet.

Vast underestimation.

Six foot? Which would mean Deadpool could take a single step and then be able to reach it with his arm?

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I'm not arguing the semantics with you all about strategy or quick thinking or luck or whatever it is you're all bitching about.

But that sign was further than seven feet.

Originally posted by Soljer
Vast underestimation.

Six foot? Which would mean Deadpool could take a single step and then be able to reach it with his arm?

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I'm not arguing the semantics with you all about strategy or quick thinking or luck or whatever it is you're all bitching about.

But that sign was further than seven feet.

Deadpool is inside the window, the base of the sign is presumably in the sidewalk nearing the curb. What is the average width of a city side walk? I guess three to four feet and that Deadpool being another two to three feet inside the store. It couldn't be much further away then that could it?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I said nothing about a style. Only "flow" as you put it. Not thinking and just doing whatever happens as it happens. Basically just reacting.

Not a strategy? I beg to differ.

And I still believe Beast vs. Danger is a great example of this.

They way people are using the word strategy, one could apply the word to virtually anything and the fact of the matter is that not everything is a strategy. Strategy involves planing, it involves forethought and it involves analytical reasoning.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

... I suppose he could start waveing his arms franticly. With his massive strength, I guess that could... slow him down... or something.

I'll take that as a no...

Next question:

Did the sign (which was angled, I'll point this out for you if you want me to), look like it WASN'T attached to the ground to you?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

They way people are using the word strategy, one could apply the word to virtually anything and the fact of the matter is that not everything is a strategy. Strategy involves planing, it involves forethought and it involves analytical reasoning.

Eventhough one of the defintions of strategy is quick thinking?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
I'll take that as a no...

Next question:

Did the sign (which was angled, I'll point this out for you if you want me to), look like it WASN'T attached to the ground to you?

The sign is attacted to the ground.

You could ask all the question at once to speed this up, if you wanted.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Eventhough one of the defintions of strategy is quick thinking?

Which one would that be?

strat·e·gy

1. Also, strategics. the science or art of combining and employing the means of war in planning and directing large military movements and operations.
2. the use or an instance of using this science or art.
3. skillful use of a stratagem: The salesperson's strategy was to seem always to agree with the customer.
4. a plan, method, or series of maneuvers or stratagems for obtaining a specific goal or result: a strategy for getting ahead in the world.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The sign is attacted to the ground.

You could ask all the question at once to speed this up, if you wanted.

I could. 🙂

Would you say Deadpool unattached the sign from the ground?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
I could. 🙂

Would you say Deadpool unattached the sign from the ground?

No.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The sign is attacted to the ground.

You could ask all the question at once to speed this up, if you wanted.

Which one would that be?

strat·e·gy

1. Also, strategics. the science or art of combining and employing the means of war in planning and directing large military movements and operations.
[b]2. the use or an instance of using this science or art.
3. skillful use of a stratagem: The salesperson's strategy was to seem always to agree with the customer.
4. a plan, method, or series of maneuvers or stratagems for obtaining a specific goal or result: a strategy for getting ahead in the world. [/B]

Number 4. 🙄

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No.

Would you say he altered the sign in any way?

(We're coming to a close soon)

Originally posted by Alfheim
Number 4. 🙄

.. and which part of Number 4 (and be specific) did you think equated to quick wits?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Would you say he altered the sign in any way?

(We're coming to a close soon)

Yes. Based on the condition of the sign post it's self, I believe the foundation at the base the sign was weakened allowing for it to be rotated but it is also possible considering his strength that Deapool bent the sign somewhere in the middle.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Yes. Based on the condition of the sign post it's self, I believe the foundation at the base the sign was weakened allowing for it to be rotated but it is also possible considering his strength that Deapool bent the sign somewhere in the middle.

Meh. I largley disagree here, as there is little or no evidence to support this, but it works well enough.

Last question (or, it should be) :

Based on your assumption that in the first of the scanned pages Hulk is depicted jumping, was Hulk jumping towards Deadpool?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Meh. I largley disagree here, as there is little or no evidence to support this, but it works well enough.

Last question (or, it should be) :

Based on your assumption that in the first of the scanned pages Hulk is depicted jumping, was Hulk jumping towards Deadpool?

No, he was jumping up on an insane arch... like he normally does.

EDIT: Towards: Yes. At: No.

... I'm getting impatient. Hurry up Spunky! 🙁

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No, he was jumping up on an insane arch... like he normally does.

😬

Weak.

But, regardless

You said Hulk was jumping in the first panel shown. There are multiple things wrong with this assumtion

Let me outline them for you

1) You said the sign was roughly 5-7 feet away. While that is enough, for claritys sake, Soljer was clearly right. There was space between DP and the window, and there was lots of space between the window and the sign

You also said the sign was not unattached from the ground, though possibly rotated in some direction.

With Hulk's massive strength, though his jumps are great, they last no more then a few seconds.

According to your assumption that Hulk was already in mid jump, DP would have had to, within these few seconds :
Rattle off like three paragraphs of words, see the sign, formulate a plan, climb through the broken window and across 7+ feet of sidewalk, supposedly shift and use some strength to bend the metal sign, lean against the sign, and then have time to talk MORE and gloat, all before moving away from the sign watching Hulk imaple himself. Within the space of a few seconds.

nope

2) (Again) You said Hulk was jumping from the first panel shown.

You ALSO said DP had formulated the plan during mid-jump

And, while you said that you didn't think that Hulk was intending to jump right towards Deadpool and that he was just 'jumping on an insane arch', you ALSO said that there was no way for Hulk to alter his momentum in mid air.

Thus: If Hulk could not alter his momentum in mid-air, wherever he was going to land must have been his intention from the beginning of the jump.

Now Hulk has been jumping since the beginning. He's a master. He's caught jet planes in mid air, and landed on very precise points in the past. I find it EXTREMLEY unlikley that he just 'jumps' without looking where he's leaping. Ever.

Where did he land? The sign

Where was Deadpool? The sign. Apparently, according to you, Hulk must have jumped with the intention of hitting the sign, and Deadpool just happened to move to the exact same place, AFTER he jumped. According to you, he did not move the sign at all from its position on the ground, and, if anything, simply swiveled or bent it (assuming he got time from somewhere). Meaning Hulk STILL would have intended on landing on this single, obscure piece of metal. After all, he bullseye-d the thing.

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It is impossible, as you stated, that Hulk could have switched positions to shift targets when Deadpool moved SUPPOSEDLY mid-jump, because the most he could do to alter his momentum is "uh...flap his arms... or something"

So, with the assumptions that Deadpool temporarily became Quicksilver and Hulk intended to hit the sign all along, I guess you're absolutley correct!

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The fact of the matter is that Hulk HADN'T jumped yet, he HADN'T aimed to hit the sign, and Deadpool DIDN'T formulate his plan, put it into action and gloat about it within a matter of three seconds.

Deadpool DID put a plan into action. He did NOT do it mid jump. He did not FORMULATE it mid jump.

Deadpool came up with a plan. He stood in front of the sign, hiding it. THEN Hulk jumped.

IF Deadpool at all altered the sign, it was part of his plan and FORETHOUGHT, not a mid jump move.

Hulk jumped and finished AFTER page one of the scanned pages.

thankyou

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Weak.

How so? That's how the Hulk jumps... 😕

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
You said Hulk was jumping in the first panel shown. There are multiple things wrong with this assumption

Okay, since you apparently don't believe Hulk is jumping on the first page, how about you enlighten me into what you think he is doing?

Both of his feet are off the ground but he isn't jumping? 🙄 Give me a break.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
1) You said the sign was roughly 5-7 feet away. While that is enough, for claritys sake, Soljer was clearly right. There was space between DP and the window, and there was lots of space between the window and the sign

Using my knowledge of perspective five to seven feat is a pretty accurate estimate, it would be higher if Deadpool was standing up but I'm pretty sure he wasn't.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
You also said the sign was not unattached from the ground, though possibly rotated in some direction.

The sign wasn't "possibly" rotated in some direction, it was defiantly rotated. You can see for your self if you'd like. Examine the post and the position of the One Way sign in the two panels it is shown in. The sign is in a different location, which would require the sign post to have been rotated or bent... thats just the way it is.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
With Hulk's massive strength, though his jumps are great, they last no more then a few seconds.

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... Because Hulk's massive strength somehow increase the rate in which gravity pulls him to the ground? With the heights he can reach Hulk gets ample hang time in his jumps.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
According to your assumption that Hulk was already in mid jump, DP would have had to, within these few seconds :

Rattle off like three paragraphs of words, see the sign, formulate a plan, climb through the broken window and across 7+ feet of sidewalk, supposedly shift and use some strength to bend the metal sign, lean against the sign, and then have time to talk MORE and gloat, all before moving away from the sign watching Hulk imaple himself. Within the space of a few seconds.

I didn't assume the Hulk jump, it was something that required an assumption or interpretation. He jumped, it's right there on the page... seriously are you blind? I even circled it for you, bright red and everything.

Anyway this is not that much of a stretch.

How high did Hulk jump? Twenty feet? Forty feet? A hundred? More? Hulk isn't known for discretion. Any of those would have given Deadpool ample time to do what he didn't to do. How much time does it take to cover seven to ten feet? Any of us could do it in a second or two... and we are hardly Deadpool's physical equal? How long does it take to rotate something 90 degrees? Another second or two? The whole process would have taken less then ten seconds.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
(Again) You said Hulk was jumping from the first panel shown.

I should hope I said that, since... you know... Hulk was jumping from the first panel shown (actually the second, but what ever).

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
You ALSO said DP had formulated the plan during mid-jump

Well... he moved a sign post to intercept Hulk's landing if that's what you mean by "formulated the plan".

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
And, while you said that you didn't think that Hulk was intending to jump right towards Deadpool and that he was just 'jumping on an insane arch', you ALSO said that there was no way for Hulk to alter his momentum in mid air.

Actually, I said that Hulk was jumping "towards" Deadpool, just not "at: him... but that is pretty much what I said, nice work!

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Thus: If Hulk could not alter his momentum in mid-air, wherever he was going to land must have been his intention from the beginning of the jump.

Now Hulk has been jumping since the beginning. He's a master. He's caught jet planes in mid air, and landed on very precise points in the past. I find it EXTREMLEY unlikley that he just 'jumps' without looking where he's leaping. Ever.

Where did he land? The sign

Wait... wait, isn't the whole foundation of you argument that Hulk, who had unobstructed view of the entire street, punched Deadpool into a window, stood there, watched Deadpool walk in front of a sign post (which... I guess for some reason Hulk never noticed when he was just standing in the street staring straight a head)... and then he ran into it?

... And you find Hulk jumping and landing on a sign that was moved into place then when he was in midair a problem. 😕 If Deadpool hadn't moved the sign he wouldn't have landed on it... or if he had it would have been crushed.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Now Hulk has been jumping since the beginning. He's a master. He's caught jet planes in mid air, and landed on very precise points in the past. I find it EXTREMLEY unlikley that he just 'jumps' without looking where he's leaping. Ever.

Where did he land? The sign

... A sign he wouldn't have landed on if it hadn't been rotated to intercept him.

'Sides what makes you think that Hulk is the least bit concerned about taking a pipe in the chest? He jumps where he wants, debris be damned, not like it's going to hurt him.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Where was Deadpool? The sign. Apparently, according to you, Hulk must have jumped with the intention of hitting the sign, and Deadpool just happened to move to the exact same place, AFTER he jumped. According to you, he did not move the sign at all from its position on the ground, and, if anything, simply swiveled or bent it (assuming he got time from somewhere). Meaning Hulk STILL would have intended on landing on this single, obscure piece of metal. After all, he bullseye-d the thing.

Where was Deadpool? Leaning along the length of the sign, as if he had used his weight to rotate the sign. Odd... very odd.

Hulk didn't land on the base of the sign, he took the end of it. The sign was facing west when he jumped and south when he landed. If the sign was in the same position it was when he initiated his jumped he wouldn't have landed on the sign... he wouldn't have even touched it.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
It is impossible, as you stated, that Hulk could have switched positions to shift targets when Deadpool moved SUPPOSEDLY mid-jump, because the most he could do to alter his momentum is "uh...flap his arms... or something"

So, with the assumptions that Deadpool temporarily became Quicksilver and Hulk intended to hit the sign all along, I guess you're absolutley correct!

Yeah, because you need to access the speed force to move seven feet at rotate a piece of metal. Not sure how I missed that. 🙄

Seriously... is this what you spent all that time writing?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
The fact of the matter is that Hulk HADN'T jumped yet, he HADN'T aimed to hit the sign, and Deadpool DIDN'T formulate his plan, put it into action and gloat about it within a matter of three seconds.

Deadpool DID put a plan into action. He did NOT do it mid jump. He did not FORMULATE it mid jump.

Deadpool came up with a plan. He stood in front of the sign, hiding it. THEN Hulk jumped.

IF Deadpool at all altered the sign, it was part of his plan and FORETHOUGHT, not a mid jump move.

Hulk jumped and finished AFTER page one of the scanned pages.

So this is what you think happened.

Hulk standing in the middle of an empty street, staring at the store front window he just punched Deadpool into somehow fails to notice the twisted broken sign. Even though we see Hulk jump on panel... he really didn't, and even though we don't see Deadpool pull a matador with the sign... he really did. So Hulk, with an unobstructed view of Deadpool, the street and the sign... watches Deadpool climb out of the window, position him self in front of a sign - a sign that Hulk fails to notice, by the way - and then jumps on to it?

... So that doesn't make much sense now does it?

You get a failing grade Spunk.

You both fail. Shaddap.

Neither the Hulk nor Deadpool are even in this thread.

😄.

Originally posted by Soljer
You both fail. Shaddap.

Neither the Hulk nor Deadpool are even in this thread.

😄.

Good point...

Anyone remember why we are talking about Deadpool anyway?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Good point...

Anyone remember why we are talking about Deadpool anyway?

To show that Wolverine is nothing but a 'brainless brawler' that could get suckered in by Deadpool.

And if he could get suckered in by Deadpool he'd ABSOLUTELY get suckered in by Cap.

Not that I'm agreeing with EITHER side - just telling you why Deadpool came up.

Originally posted by Soljer
To show that Wolverine is nothing but a 'brainless brawler' that could get suckered in by Deadpool.

And if he could get suckered in by Deadpool he'd ABSOLUTELY get suckered in by Cap.

Not that I'm agreeing with EITHER side - just telling you why Deadpool came up.

I didn't say Wolverine is a brainless brawler. 😕

Anyways...

Srank, I COULD point out how you don't read properly and your logic is groundless and faulty...

I just looked at your rebuttals.

And, well...

😬

BUT I doubt you want to argue in circles about people who aren't even in the debate.

(I will though, if you really want to)

...

Anyways, Cap wins this due to a few small edges, such as more expierience with this fighting style, size advantage and (of course 😉 ) tactical advantage

Cap 5.5-6/10