Captain America vs. Wolverine (Twist)

Originally posted by Dreampanther
I posted the scans to motivate an argument -

Originally posted by Dreampanther
obviously something you have never heard of.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
I used them to show that while Wolverine may be (and is - I never argued this fact) one of the most skilled fighters in your REAL MARVEL UNIVERSE, Cap makes him look like a child when it comes to tactics, strategy - outwitting your oppononent, utilising every single possible means to overcome his opponent.

Were have you ounce proved this? Your evidence was from another reality with another wolverine who is nothing like his counter part. He far younger, less experience, less trained and yet you seem to think him being beaten means something.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Your Wolverine is a brawler, pure and simple - cannon-fodder. Or in this case, Captain-fodder.

Wolverine a brawler with no brains right? Ya that’s why stick who far more skilled then Capt has said Logan is an amazing fighter.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Wolverine is out-classed, and he will be out-witted, taken by surprise by some trick of Cap, and once off-balance, he will be vulnerable - and beaten.

Logan will be taken by surprised? Ya that’s why in there latest fight Capt got a blood clot and wolverine was fine. Here the issue Wolverine Origins issue 4.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Deadpool played Wolverine like the thoughtless berserker, the walk-in-swinging brawler he is, a man who forgets all his training the moment his opponent presses his buttons.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
He played Wolverine like a fool, and he isn't even close to the strategist or tactician Cap is.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
It's typical - you, like Wolverine, think it's all in your muscles.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Which is why Wolverine always gets beaten.

You mean like here
-Men 97 hellfire Hong Kong guest –starring Shang-chi master of king-fu issue 97: Wolverine defeats Shan-chi in h2h combat rather easily showing Logan as the superior martial artist. It only takes Logan 5 panels to accomplish this.

Or here
MAN AND WOLF PART 3 of 6 CAPTAIN AMERICA issue 404: Wolverine and Captain American battle with Wolverine as the victor.

Or here
Wolverine Origins issue 4: Wolverine gives Captain America a blood clot.

Or here
Wolverine Onslaught Impact 2 issue 105: Wolverine goes into a burning building in order to save an old man. However the old man attacks wolverine and wolverine thinking him crazy does not fight back until he realizes that it is no other then Stick. After he realizes who it is Stick is unable to land a single hit and Logan gains the advantage. Logan displays his skills verse a man many consider to be the best fighter a long with Ogun

Or here
Logan defeating Daredevil in a fist fight with in 5 panels
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Originally posted by Dreampanther
Cap, on the other hand, knows that the fight is won in the head - and that is why he has won this fight before it even started.

Ya wolverine does not know how to do that…….

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in all honesty man, all wolverine and cap fights end up with someone jumping end them.

Capt it up, you definatley dont want to use there second fight as your debate because of the lack of skeleton and blah blah.

And there fight in origins would be strange, because now that wolverine doesnt have claws in all honesty it changes the gameplan.

Wolverine beat shang-chi...fair and square,too easily if you ask me, but fair and square.

Cap has beat Iron fist, fair and square, equally as easy.

I think that Cap takes the majority because these settings make it alot easier on him. The lack of healing factor and adamantium definatley hurt only wolverine. you were right this fight isnt really that fair, Cap is far to used to these settings, where as wolverine uses different rules. So i give it to cap 8/10 just because the settings favor him so.

I think it is pretty even, could go either way. I give Cap the slight node due to him being bigger and heavier.

Originally posted by King KAM
in all honesty man, all wolverine and cap fights end up with someone jumping end them.

Capt it up, you definatley dont want to use there second fight as your debate because of the lack of skeleton and blah blah.

And there fight in origins would be strange, because now that wolverine doesnt have claws in all honesty it changes the gameplan.

Wolverine beat shang-chi...fair and square,too easily if you ask me, but fair and square.

Cap has beat Iron fist, fair and square, equally as easy.

I think that Cap takes the majority because these settings make it alot easier on him. The lack of healing factor and adamantium definatley hurt only wolverine. you were right this fight isnt really that fair, Cap is far to used to these settings, where as wolverine uses different rules. So i give it to cap 8/10 just because the settings favor him so.

That's the whole point of this thread though. I made it so it would be fair. If Wolverine's fighting skill was superior, then he would defeat Cap, regardless of the loss of his other abilities.

I even said they're allowed to train in their new strength levels to get used to them first. I made this as even as possible. It's strictly a skills match.

I believe Cap is more skilled than Wolverine, thus Cap wins.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
That's the whole point of this thread though. I made it so it would be fair. If Wolverine's fighting skill was superior, then he would defeat Cap, regardless of the loss of his other abilities.

I even said they're allowed to train in their new strength levels to get used to them first. I made this as even as possible. It's strictly a skills match.

I believe Cap is more skilled than Wolverine, thus Cap wins.

I disagree I think logan would win given time to get use to his abilities.

Hi, I just wanted to post an apology: I know I have a nasty habit of getting sarcastic when I get irritated, and I actually have been trying to stop that, so I just wanted to say:

srankmissingninja and captitup, I am sorry, I actually have come to have quite a lot of respect for you guys on these forums, and I know yesterday I sounded like somebody with PMS - blame it on the fact that I had PMS! 😛

Under these circumstances? Cap wins a majority. Six or seven out of ten.

If Wolverine was given a couple weeks to get used to his new physique, test the limitations, try to get over the muscle memory of "take that bullet to the head, you'll be fine!" then I think that it would go either way.

Originally posted by Soljer
Under these circumstances? Cap wins a majority. Six or seven out of ten.

If Wolverine was given a couple weeks to get used to his new physique, test the limitations, try to get over the muscle memory of "take that bullet to the head, you'll be fine!" then I think that it would go either way.

Have to agree with both statements. Cap fights under these conditions everyday. Thats what he does. And experience goes a long way especially when your fighting an opponent of equal skill, and physical condition.

However, i do believe if Wolverine was given sometime to train properly under these conditions then he defintely has the capability to take half these matches.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Hi, I just wanted to post an apology: I know I have a nasty habit of getting sarcastic when I get irritated, and I actually have been trying to stop that, so I just wanted to say:

srankmissingninja and captitup, I am sorry, I actually have come to have quite a lot of respect for you guys on these forums, and I know yesterday I sounded like somebody with PMS - blame it on the fact that I had PMS! 😛

it cool. I was kinda being an ass hole so my bad also.

I have to get sergery in my mouth so I have not been in a good mood latly

Originally posted by capt it up
it cool. I was kinda being an ass hole so my bad also.

I have to get sergery in my mouth so I have not been in a good mood latly

Yeah, and I quit my job beacuse it sucked, and the last couple of days I have been in a cranky mood as well - no excuse to take it out here, though! 😉

But this week my brother got us a 40 inch screen, a sattelite dish and I went and bought three Playstation games - so I am pretty sure I'll be in a better mood this weekend!

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Yeah, and I quit my job beacuse it sucked, and the last couple of days I have been in a cranky mood as well - no excuse to take it out here, though! 😉

But this week my brother got us a 40 inch screen, a sattelite dish and I went and bought three Playstation games - so I am pretty sure I'll be in a better mood this weekend!

nice lol

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