Originally posted by Lightsnake
Quite frankly. No. Second book, get it yourself. Jaina stated she could sense the actions of the Ssi-Ruu, while that wasn't true for the Vong.That's pre-cog...you need to feel the opponent through the force for it
LMAO, I guessed as much, you clearly don't understand how precognition works. Feeling your opponent through the force has no relation on seeing things before they happen.
Says the person who reads PoD and not the NJO and has shown he has absolutely no idea what he's talking about
Actually your argument hinges on how Shimrra nearly defeated a tired Luke. I can see enough of the fallacy in that to smack around your argument. I do have an idea of what I am talking about Lightsnake, there is plenty of information from reliable sources such as Databank to come to conclusions, unless you want to be a genuine phallus and ignore those too.
on't hurl out examples of Bane's amazing power if you don't want it shot down, that simple
LOL. Yeah right Lightsnake, you were resorting to arguments that were along the lines of, Shimrra is 9 feet tall. How about you end this stupidity about physical size being a contributor to victory, because it is really getting quite inane.
Oh, give me a break...show me how the force exemplifies
I think you mean amplify lightsnake, because I never said the force "exemplifies." But I should expect that from your reading comprehension.
It is really quite basic lightsnake, but you can't seem to grasp that the force actually does amplify strength and skill.
This is when Bane was using the force to augment his speed. "He chanelled it through his muscles and limbs, moving so fast it seemed as if time had stopped for the rest of the world."
"It took their minds a moment to catch up and register the blur of action that had occurred so much quicker than their eyes could see"
He gave himself over to the dark side completely, without reservation. His weapon became an extrension of the Force, and he responded to the Twi'leks's unstoppable attack with an impenetrable defense.
It can cacoon someone from physical trauma. "The fall would have broken his neck-or at least fractured an arm or a leg-if Bane hadn't caccooned himself with the force
him or if he even uses it. Because Shimrra's power is above just about any Vong, which is well over twice that of strongest humans
Right... Well this inhuman power didn't stop him from getting disemboweled from not so energetic Luke, did it?
How about how he smacked JACEN SOLO away without even LOOKING at him?
Qauntify Solo's strength at this point. Just because he could sense the Vong doesn't mean that his strength and skill at NJO rivalled someone like Bane whom has far more experience, a far more refined connection to the force, and armour that renders him virtually invulnerable.
Force pre-cog doesn't work with Vong, I'm afraid. in Force Heretic, Jaina reflects that she's happy she has it when fighting Ssi-Ruuk when she didn't against Vong
Your point with this? I am obviously aware of this L.S or maybe you couldn't register that I knew it because you had your eyes to far up your anus.
I'm sure you can
Of course.
Huh, maybe just the average things every Yuuzhan Vong warriors get to increase their own strength and speed from the shapers?
Prove that these "shapers" are going to make these Vong fast enough face a sith lord who has not only the orbalisks pumping adrenaline into him constantly, but his own superiour connection to the force (enabling him to move at blinding speeds, viewed by those with equivalent training to DE Leia) Oh wait, you haven't. So sorry lightsnake.
I lol'ed. You keep thinking that or prove up, Zephiel. When did Bane ever use the Force.
LOL. Bane can't use the force, eh? Keep thinking that Lightsnake, your reputation is suddenly taking a drastic turn for the worse.
"But...but, he can!"
No shit Sherlock.
yeah, and Shimrra can hurl a razor bug or use his amphistaff to spit venom at Bane's eyes that's basically fatal.
Yes, because of course a bit of venom is going to kill him when a whole host of toxic parasites weren't able to. What's actually quite sad is you are completely ignoring the fact that Bane could dodge, or relocate it into another part of his armour.
Bane was never shown using the Force to increase his strength
Bullshit.
"The energy bottled up inside him in a tremednous rush of power. He channeled it through his muscles and limbs"
"then spun through and brought his saber crashing into his opponent's lower leg. It splintered under the impact and Sirak screamed as a shard of gleaming white bone sliced through his muscle, sinew, and finally skin.
Can't increase strength? Pathetic. He was able to easily splinter solid bone, and that wasn't even with a lightsaber.
Prove up this crap on Bane's strength. He was a muscular miner and soldier at first. That's great...that makes him as strong as a Vong intendant?
Wow, you are being really thick headed as usual L.S, I don't believe this. Perhaps, if it isn't too difficult, you could try and comprehend what I have been retyping a billion times. He was using the force to augment his strength, "channeling it through his "muscles and limbs."
Oh, right, silly me...And it isn't too difficult to come up with the idea that Shimrra'll have Bane's skull in pieces with a raazorbug before he can.
Dodge you mean? Well, yes, I believe Bane can dodge, a "razor bug" especially since he was moving at incredible speeds, "faster than the eyes can see."
Oh, and if this is so easy why does noone ever, y'know, DO IT, in their fights. Could it be because noone 'rips open the ground' in Star Wars and it's just about the equivalent of a strawman?
Well let's see lightsnake, considering that this is a versus scenario, I think options are available that don't depend on the author's choices or movie choreography. I think Bane has the ability to rip open the ground when, in a weaker form, he was perfectly comfortable with ripping apart the foundations of the great Rakatan temple, despite being exhausted and knocked off a couple of flights of stairs.
ZOMGWTFY! Man, you assume Bane'll do this right off when he can't even sense Shimrra?
Maybe it isn't too much for you to process that he can see Shimrra preparing to hurl something and dodge the assault. He has demonstrated enormous speeds in PoD, which you sadly haven't picked up.
Just to be even with you: learn what **** you are talking about.
You know absolutely shit about the Vong or their weaponry.
I don't know everything about Vong weaponry, but I do know that a majority them are biological in nature. It doesn't take the smartest light bulb to understand that Bane can see when Shimrra is intending to throw stuff at him. He doesn't need to use the force, his adrenaline enhances his reflexes and endurance. Learn a bit of chemistry, lightsnake, if you are going to be criticizing me on what I do or do not know about Star Wars.
A. Or he'll try to catch it with the Force. Either you prove Bane's speed exceeds something that slices open the faces of trained Jedi, or be quiet.
Yes because an orbalisk-adrenaline enhanced Sith Lord with an incredible connection to the force is comparable to a "trained Jedi." Very brilliant use of logic lightsnake, your good for laughs, props up to that.
Vong aim at people's FACES when they hurl the things. Bane's face is NOT protected
LOL. Please find proof that Bane is simply going to stand their and let it strike his face. For that matter, prove definively that Bane covered his face with a mask. Those could be orbalisks covering his face for all you know. BOTS hinted that the Orbalisks would soon spread and cover everything.[ If you don't want to look like you are spewing bullshit, I reccommend proving up snakey-boy.
C. Something that'll SLICE HIS SKULL OPEN is what he'll recover from? Please
Stop being intentionally thick headed. Is he going to stand there and let it slice his head? For that matter, can it if he has Orbalisks covering it.
Superior strength and speed?
Oh I don't know, maybe how I showed you that the force is augmenting his strength and speed, his adrenaline is doing the same, and his armour his healing him and protecting him from a simple "plasma eel."
He can also use the force to pin cushion himself from effects of explosion or extreme trauma.
2. The average Vong is so fast he has deflected a dagger in midair, thrown by one of the best assassins in the galaxy, killed him and whirled to face two Jedi....oh, the dagger hit thr ground a few seconds later
And? Bane was able to match one of the best swords man ever, who spent decades mastering every lightsaber form to perfection, and push him back. The said swordsman who was desperately trying to counter Bane, but whose knowledge of swordsplay was rendered useless, and whom almost died if Bane were not so cocky.
The same swordsman who was able to wake up, open the door, and pull Bane into his room before he could even get the second knock in. The same swordsman who honed his mastery of lightsaber combat for decades.
Bane cannot defeat a simple Vong? Keep dreaming lightsnake.
3. Shimrra is far stronger than Bane, get the **** over it.
Bull ****ing shit. Maybe you have to get over the fact that a force enhanced Sith Lord with adrenaline constantly pumping into his system is going to be stronger than Shimrra. The force can easily augment ones strength. Bane can channel his own immense connection to the force through his "muscle and sinew," augmenting his strength. Mix this with orbalisks and he is going to be stronger than Shimrra.
He can deflect a lightsaber throw with his hand. Without even looking at it.
Oh wow. Lets not forget that Bane can also do that with orbalisks covering his hand. Maybe you never though of that Snake old man?
Probably because you're a complete Bane fanboy.
ROFLMAO. Can you say "hypocrite?" Calling me a Bane fanboy is probably the stupidest thing you could have done. You are infatuated with NJO and movie characters that you cannot possibly fathom the idea that Exar Kun and Darth Bane combined can take down ROTS Sidious. Dream on lightsnake, this becoming funny, fast.
Jacen Solo without any apparent effort...And Jacen's the one who CAN sense the VOng and move incredibly fast...
Yes, I have heard that he has the vongseed established into him that can help him sense the Vong. How strong was he, without referring to fallible quotes by in universe soruces?
by NJO, he was pretty much the level of a very strong Jedi Master
Cut the bullshit, and I suggest you prove up. You state that he was a very strong master but quantify. Because by happenstance he had a vongseed that allowed him to use lightning against the vong? Give me a break.
Now you're just being a plain moron.
What a laugh lightsnake. *Yawn* if you want to resort to insults instead of admitting that your evidence of ZOMG Shimrra is SUPERSTRONG, or ZOMG HE ALMOST killed teh TIred LUKE!!!11, is getting stale, go right ahead. Because lightsnake, as much as you don't want to realize, most of your evidence is inconclusive.
or his prowess among the vong
Good for him! Bane was able to overwhelm the best duelist of his time, possibly ever, and lost only because of his arrogance.
Not only that, but his connection to the force was immense, and Kas'im stated that was what was important in determining how fast or strong you can become in a saber duel.
or his owning Jacen.
Prove how strong Jacen Solo is. I can't imagine "that strong," because the only thing we have seen him use up to this point was force lightning against Vong, because by happenstance he had a seed implanted into him that allowed him to sense them.
Or his only needing one hit on Bane, who can't sense or hurt him witht eh force.
More bullshit coming my way I see. One hit, wow you really are blinded by your love for the NJO.
Maybe you chose to ignore that Bane's armour can reflect lightsaber hits? Maybe you chose to ignore that he can regenerate from blasts of energy. Maybe you chose to ignore that he could "pin cushion" the effect like he did when he was falling down several flights of stairs that could have easily broken his body?
Until you get your head out of Bane's ass, you'll never be half as good a debator as you think you are.
You have the audacity to accuse me of being a Bane fanboy when you are enjoying consecutive orgasms over your movie and NJO lovers.
Here is a suggestion, think before you type stuff out. You are a complete hypocrite. From moment one you cannot admit the fallibility of any of the movie characters or the NJO.
Logical fallacy, buddy. YOu prove up or shut up and I'm calling you on this.
You stated you read PoD, so you implied that you actually knew stuff about it. I guess you were too thickheaded to pick things up about Bane's capabilities because they affected the standing of your precious NJO and movie love dolls. I've provided quotes, hopefully you aren't thickheaded to ignore those too.
I haven't read much of this argument but I do know a couple of things. Bane's raw strength is meaningless because he has the force to amplify his strength. However, what in the world makes you think he can overpower Shimrra? I saw someone gave an example of Yoda, who's 66 centimeters but can carry huge guns on his back. It's not a matter of strength, it's a matter of force mastery and to what extent you can use the force to augment your strength. At the same time even a tired Luke would be more than a match for the likes of Bane and Yoda, so I don't really see Bane overpowering the overlord.
Originally posted by allfg
Damn, that was pure pwnage, but just a quick pointer; it's stated in the Dark Side Source Book that the orbalisks would soon cover his face, and if that happened, would suffocate Bane to death, so Bane developed his mask so it would block and prevent the orbalisks from reaching his face.
I see. I thought they would not bud into the nostrils, so to speak. My points still remain.