Bane(with Orbalisks) versus Shimrra · Star Wars Versus Forum

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by zephiel7
[B]Actually your argument hinges on how Shimrra nearly defeated a tired Luke. I can see enough of the fallacy in that to smack around your argument. I do have an idea of what I am talking about Lightsnake, there is plenty of information from reliable sources such as Databank to come to conclusions, unless you want to be a genuine phallus and ignore those too.

Um, no...it's based on the actual prowes of the Overlord and his race

LOL. Yeah right Lightsnake, you were resorting to arguments that were along the lines of, Shimrra is 9 feet tall. How about you end this stupidity about physical size being a contributor to victory, because it is really getting quite inane.

how about you realize that wasn't my focal argument? The fact is: Shimrra is bigger and stronger than Bane. And Jacen observes he's never in the place that's attacked

I think you mean amplify lightsnake, because I never said the force "exemplifies." But I should expect that from your reading comprehension.

I don't feel like arguing with your grasp of English right now

It is really quite basic lightsnake, but you can't seem to grasp that the force actually does amplify strength and skill.

I want proof of it augmenting Bane's strength. Now.

This is when Bane was using the force to augment his speed. "He chanelled it through his muscles and limbs, moving so fast it seemed as if time had stopped for the rest of the world."

That's his speed. Lovely. The average VOng has been shown moving that fast. Now, anything else?

"It took their minds a moment to catch up and register the blur of action that had occurred so much quicker than their eyes could see"

Again: Average Vong speed.

He gave himself over to the dark side completely, without reservation. His weapon became an extrension of the Force, and he responded to the Twi'leks's unstoppable attack with an impenetrable defense.
It can cacoon someone from physical trauma. "The fall would have broken his neck-or at least fractured an arm or a leg-if Bane hadn't caccooned himself with the force

Bane needed the force to survive something average Vong warriors get up from??

Right... Well this inhuman power didn't stop him from getting disemboweled from not so energetic Luke, did it?

Irrelevant misdirection. Luke>Bane by a huge margin and Bane cnanot replicate the circumstances

Qauntify Solo's strength at this point. Just because he could sense the Vong doesn't mean that his strength and skill at NJO rivalled someone like Bane whom has far more experience, a far more refined connection to the force, and armour that renders him virtually invulnerable.

Far more experience? Jacen is the strongest person in the NJO except for Luke and Kyp at that point, bar none. His force lightning reduces people to bones, he can literally become one with the Force itself and bring down a minor mountain/caver with the Force.
Jacen>Bane. Big time, especially by TuF

Your point with this? I am obviously aware of this L.S or maybe you couldn't register that I knew it because you had your eyes to far up your anus.

You're obviously not aware of simple things like 'logic'

Prove that these "shapers" are going to make these Vong fast enough face a sith lord who has not only the orbalisks pumping adrenaline into him constantly, but his own superiour connection to the force (enabling him to move at blinding speeds, viewed by those with equivalent training to DE Leia) Oh wait, you haven't. So sorry lightsnake.

Lol. The average Vong is fast enough to keep up with Jedi...Yomin Carr was outmanuevering Mara and corran Horn, one of the strongest of the NJO members was totally shocked at someone like Shedao's Shai's speed.
When Bane can block a thrown dagger in midair, kill the wielder and engage two Jedi before the dagger even hits the ground...oh, and that's an AVERAGE Vong warrior.

LOL. Bane can't use the force, eh? Keep thinking that Lightsnake, your reputation is suddenly taking a drastic turn for the worse.

On the Vong? Huh, I wonder

Yes, because of course a bit of venom is going to kill him when a whole host of toxic parasites weren't able to. What's actually quite sad is you are completely ignoring the fact that Bane could dodge, or relocate it into another part of his armour.

Dodge it? He's going to dodge something he can't even sense and that goes with that speed and distance? Relocate it? Get over your fanboyism: Bane will die if the venom hits him. If not for Jacen, the venom from Shimrra's amphistaff would have killed Luke himself. There was stated to be no cure and unless Bane's been trained in Vong bioscience...

Lightsnake Senior Member

Bullshit.
"The energy bottled up inside him in a tremednous rush of power. He channeled it through his muscles and limbs"
"then spun through and brought his saber crashing into his opponent's lower leg. It splintered under the impact and Sirak screamed as a shard of gleaming white bone sliced through his muscle, sinew, and finally skin.
Can't increase strength? Pathetic. He was able to easily splinter solid bone, and that wasn't even with a lightsaber.

I want some proof this is an inkling of power the Yuuzhan Vong overlord can summon. Oh, and maybe you're unaware of basic biology, but swing a blunt instrument into the back of someone's leg when you're as physically strong as Bane is already. There's nothing related to the force there

Wow, you are being really thick headed as usual L.S, I don't believe this. Perhaps, if it isn't too difficult, you could try and comprehend what I have been retyping a billion times. He was using the force to augment his strength, "channeling it through his "muscles and limbs."

I heard you. What's your point? Nothing showing this matches a strong Vong...who're many times stronger than the strongest humans

Dodge you mean? Well, yes, I believe Bane can dodge, a "razor bug" especially since he was moving at incredible speeds, "faster than the eyes can see."

Huh. When we saw people killed by razor bugs, it was as if they were suddenly dead and the Vong suddenly had their arms outsetched.
Far greater than the eye can see. And if Shimrra throws a LOT of them as Vong tend to? It'll only take one to seriously injure Baney

Well let's see lightsnake, considering that this is a versus scenario, I think options are available that don't depend on the author's choices or movie choreography. I think Bane has the ability to rip open the ground when, in a weaker form, he was perfectly comfortable with ripping apart the foundations of the great Rakatan temple, despite being exhausted and knocked off a couple of flights of stairs. [/Quot]
What you think and what is so are very different things. Oh, and you forget Bane was lying on the ground exhausted for a while after that.
Oh, and di the wave TOUCH te ground or just the temple? Because Shimrra's just gonna run on through the wave as it won't hard him whasoever.
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Maybe it isn't too much for you to process that he can see Shimrra preparing to hurl something and dodge the assault. He has demonstrated enormous speeds in PoD, which you sadly haven't picked up.

Maybe it's too much to expect for you to read NJO and discover that the Vong have demonstrated similar speeds and Vong don't even seem to move when they throw razor ugs. usually because they simply twitch their hands and they fly ahead. Oh, wait, you haven't even read NJO

I don't know everything about Vong weaponry, but I do know that a majority them are biological in nature. It doesn't take the smartest light bulb to understand that Bane can see when Shimrra is intending to throw stuff at him. He doesn't need to use the force, his adrenaline enhances his reflexes and endurance. Learn a bit of chemistry, lightsnake, if you are going to be criticizing me on what I do or do not know about Star Wars.

He can't use the Force in any which way against Shimrra. He can't sense a thing, he can't use any powers on him and all Shimrra needs to do is hold his weapons at a ready position or twitch his hand. When Vong threw a razorbug...it was sudden. The very motions weren't even detected. So, we have something travelling with at least the speed of a bullet against Bane who hasn't demonstrated greater speeds than the Vong. Point here?

Yes because an orbalisk-adrenaline enhanced Sith Lord with an incredible connection to the force is comparable to a "trained Jedi." Very brilliant use of logic lightsnake, your good for laughs, props up to that.

If you'd get your head out of the clouds, you'd see that was an average Vong vcapable of that...and one of those Jedi still fell to that average Vong...one of those Jedi was Jacen Solo himself

LOL. Please find proof that Bane is simply going to stand their and let it strike his face. For that matter, prove definively that Bane covered his face with a mask. Those could be orbalisks covering his face for all you know. BOTS hinted that the Orbalisks would soon spread and cover everything.[ If you don't want to look like you are spewing bullshit, I reccommend proving up snakey-boy.

Like you moronically assume Shim'll stand there and let Bane assault him?

Oh, and Bane DID NOT ALLOW THE ORBALISKS TO GROW ON HIS FACE. It's under his goddamn character profile in the Essential guide to characters. Or his spirit in Legacy? No orbalisks on his face there....what is that? A mask!
btw, prove those orbalisks will stop sometihng that can slice through solid stone and durasteel. Or explode with the force of a thermal detonator. Or melt durasteel.
Did I say Bane'll let it happen? No. Did I say Bane will be surprised and get killed by it? Yes

Stop being intentionally thick headed. Is he going to stand there and let it slice his head? For that matter, can it if he has Orbalisks covering it.

Unless those orbalisks are tougher than stone and durasteel to razor bugs...and Bane won't have a choice if it's too fast for him and he can't sense it

Oh I don't know, maybe how I showed you that the force is augmenting his strength and speed, his adrenaline is doing the same, and his armour his healing him and protecting him from a simple "plasma eel."

A plasma eel explodes with the power of a contained thermal detonator, thanks.

He can also use the force to pin cushion himself from effects of explosion or extreme trauma.

Without injury? Somehow I doubt this

And? Bane was able to match one of the best swords man ever, who spent decades mastering every lightsaber form to perfection, and push him back. The said swordsman who was desperately trying to counter Bane, but whose knowledge of swordsplay was rendered useless, and whom almost died if Bane were not so cocky.

Why? He knew his moves. Bane could sense him. Bane's power in the darkside outmatched Kas'im's
He has not a one of those advantages here

The same swordsman who was able to wake up, open the door, and pull Bane into his room before he could even get the second knock in. The same swordsman who honed his mastery of lightsaber combat for decades.

Compared to the supreme Overlord? Mmhmm

Bane cannot defeat a simple Vong? Keep dreaming lightsnake. [/B]

Did I say that? A simple Vong? Sure. the Overlord? Like hell

Captain REX Networking

Originally posted by allfg
LMAO, I guessed as much, you clearly don't understand how precognition works. Feeling your opponent through the force has no relation on seeing things before they happen.

You're clearly wrong; if you cannot sense an opponent, you cannot sense their actions. That is how it works. I'm ruling in favor of Lightsnake, there, so if you continue to tell me I'm wrong, then you will be utterly disregarded.

In other words, Nebaris, you lose.

Furthermore, it took the likes of Luke Skywalker to defeat Shimrra! He is, so far, the most powerful Jedi we've seen, as far as I'm concerned.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by zephiel7
Bull ****ing shit. Maybe you have to get over the fact that a force enhanced Sith Lord with adrenaline constantly pumping into his system is going to be stronger than Shimrra. The force can easily augment ones strength. Bane can channel his own immense connection to the force through his "muscle and sinew," augmenting his strength. Mix this with orbalisks and he is going to be stronger than Shimrra.

Maybe in Zephiel land this is so.
That's all I hear from you. the force does not augment one's strength to SHimrra's level, 1, Bane's NATURAL STRENGTH is LESS than a Yuuzhan Vong politician...how much is he augmented now? Maybe you need to get fof your lazy little ass and read the NJO because you know shit about what you're trying to talk about. Stronger than Shimrra? the average Vong can dent durasteel. Shimrra's NATURAL strength exceeds Bane's an augmented on its own? far superior.
Bane's good, but to the ability where he can fight an opponent of such speed and strength? What can Bane do at his strongest? Can he move so fast to elude top Jedi masters and slaughter numerous opponents at once? Can he kill one of the strongest races in the galaxy barehanded? Can he deflect a knife, kill its wielder and then engage Jacen Solo and Ganner Rhysode, defeating one before the knife even falls?
Average Vong warriors can do all of that and they're nothing to Shimrra.
Yeah, Bane's strong, but keep a realistic grasp of his strength!

Oh wow. Lets not forget that Bane can also do that with orbalisks covering his hand. Maybe you never though of that Snake old man?

To the same degree? Wow, in your opinion, maybe. Maybe you should use some logic because you're doing nothing more than saying it's so because you say so

ROFLMAO. Can you say "hypocrite?" Calling me a Bane fanboy is probably the stupidest thing you could have done. You are infatuated with NJO and movie characters that you cannot possibly fathom the idea that Exar Kun and Darth Bane combined can take down ROTS Sidious. Dream on lightsnake, this becoming funny, fast.

Probably because two canon sources call him the strongest in history and a source directly calls him the strongest in over a thousand years! Canon has spoken.

Yes, I have heard that he has the vongseed established into him that can help him sense the Vong. How strong was he, without referring to fallible quotes by in universe soruces?

Judging to the omniscient narrarator, he was a storm of power in Traitor and one of the most powerful of the New Jedi Order save Luke himself

Cut the bullshit, and I suggest you prove up. You state that he was a very strong master but quantify. Because by happenstance he had a vongseed that allowed him to use lightning against the vong? Give me a break.

I have proven up! I've given examples for Shimrra's INFERIORS matching Bane's superiors! We've seen Force Lightning BEND AWAY from the Vong! Edge of Destiny directly stated lightning and crushes had no effect on them. Wow...keep dreaming

What a laugh lightsnake. *Yawn* if you want to resort to insults instead of admitting that your evidence of ZOMG Shimrra is SUPERSTRONG, or ZOMG HE ALMOST killed teh TIred LUKE!!!11, is getting stale, go right ahead. Because lightsnake, as much as you don't want to realize, most of your evidence is inconclusive.

alright, now do we realize I haven't used that as evidence? because, you hypocrite, the average Vong have shown raw physical strength above Bane.
show me Bane's incredible strength or you know something? Shut up.
That's right. Shut up. You go oh and on about Bane's power, but the most he did with the force augmenting him? He....broke Sirak's leg. Wow. A Vong can twitch his foot and snap someone's neck-average Vong again!- a footsoldier Vong killed a Noghri- one of the strongest races in the galaxy physically- barehanded. Tsavong Lah deflected a huge rock thrown at his head without trying. Shimrra knocked one of the most powerful Jedi to the ground without even looking at him...a dismissive gesture that knockd Jacen out. Please

Good for him! Bane was able to overwhelm the best duelist of his time, possibly ever, and lost only because of his arrogance.

And Shimrra overwhelmed the best duelist ever. You want to ***** about it? Well, guess what: Bane was able to do so due to his knowledge of Kas'im's moves..."They had fought too many times for him to surprise Bane now"
I'm sure you forgot that

Not only that, but his connection to the force was immense, and Kas'im stated that was what was important in determining how fast or strong you can become in a saber duel.

Which...won't help him against Shimrra since a lot of fighting witht he force is sensing your opponent. Bane has to leaern in minutes what Jedi had to learn in years.
Yeah. Right

Prove how strong Jacen Solo is. I can't imagine "that strong," because the only thing we have seen him use up to this point was force lightning against Vong, because by happenstance he had a seed implanted into him that allowed him to sense them.

outright stated to be one of the strongest of the Order...possibly THE strongest except for Luke.
And he was able to alter the molecular structure of things, become one with the FOrce in entirety....

More bullshit coming my way I see. One hit, wow you really are blinded by your love for the NJO.
Maybe you chose to ignore that Bane's armour can reflect lightsaber hits? Maybe you chose to ignore that he can regenerate from blasts of energy. Maybe you chose to ignore that he could "pin cushion" the effect like he did when he was falling down several flights of stairs that could have easily broken his body?

Where do I start:
Good thing Shim's not using a saber
Good thing Shimrra's immune to those plasts
Bane can cushion himself from something a Vong would just get up from? He's so strong compared to them!
All Shimrra needs to do is put a hand on Bane's head and squeeze

You have the audacity to accuse me of being a Bane fanboy when you are enjoying consecutive orgasms over your movie and NJO lovers.

Your continuous use of circular logic is testament to the fact

Here is a suggestion, think before you type stuff out. You are a [b]complete hypocrite. From moment one you cannot admit the fallibility of any of the movie characters or the NJO.

Whine, whine, whine

You stated you read PoD, so you implied that you actually knew stuff about it. I guess you were too thickheaded to pick things up about Bane's capabilities because they affected the standing of your precious NJO and movie love dolls. I've provided quotes, hopefully you aren't thickheaded to ignore those too. [/B]

Irrelevance in entirety. You haven't read NJO so you argue from ignorance.

Now, you stop being insulting and I'll do the same

Captain REX Networking

Play nice, kids.

allfg Restricted

Originally posted by Captain REX
You're clearly wrong; if you cannot sense an opponent, you cannot sense their actions. That is how it works. I'm ruling in favor of Lightsnake, there, so if you continue to tell me I'm wrong, then you will be utterly disregarded.
In other words, Nebaris, you lose.
Furthermore, it took the likes of Luke Skywalker to defeat Shimrra! He is, so far, the most powerful Jedi we've seen, as far as I'm concerned.

That's not how precognition works Rex, it's not dependant on whether you can sense your opponent or not, it's just seeing bits of the future flash before you. Sorry Rex, but being a Mod doesn't mean that you can decide who's right or wrong, because you're clearly wrong. And Shimrra wasn't even able to defeat a wounded and fatigued Luke who had just fought through an entire army, he's really nothing special, Bane would ow Luke in that position. By your logic, Lumiya is uber to.

Lightsnake Senior Member

bane'd own Luke in that position? Shimrra, by all accounts, was winning until he decided to pull the lightsaber, and that was very likely ue to Onimi's manipulation. Oh, and was Luke even wounded? Granted, he was tired, but we've seen tired opponents fight very, very hard

Captain REX Networking

That IS how precog works, Neb, sorry! If there Force isn't telling you that you have an opponent at all, I see no reason for it to tell you that there's an incoming attack.

And I've done it before in order to end pointless arguments. I'm ruling from majority; majority says you're wrong, so that's what I'm ruling.

By your logic, Bane could beat everyone. Oh, wait, he couldn't. Gee!

allfg Restricted

Again, is Lumiya uber because she pulled off something more impressive? Don't be ridiculous.

Lightsnake Senior Member

She got a hit that nearly killed Luke when he was worried about Mara

Captain REX Networking

You know what's funny? I never said anything about Lumiya, you did. I'll go with you on that one, though. Lumiya did something uber? Cool! She can beat Bane, then. 😄

Oh, wait, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE THREADS ABOUT. 😱

Stay on topic or this will close.

allfg Restricted

Originally posted by Captain REX
That IS how precog works, Neb, sorry! If there Force isn't telling you that you have an opponent at all, I see no reason for it to tell you that there's an incoming attack.
And I've done it before in order to end pointless arguments. I'm ruling from majority; majority says you're wrong, so that's what I'm ruling.
By your logic, Bane could beat everyone. Oh, wait, he couldn't. Gee!

The force telling you that you will be attacked by someone isn't dependant on being able to sense them through the force Rex, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. The future and sensing your opponents aren't directly related, you're mixing them up.

Ok, sure thing.

In a swordfight, he can.

allfg Restricted

Originally posted by Captain REX
You know what's funny? I never said anything about Lumiya, you did. I'll go with you on that one, though. Lumiya did something uber? Cool! She can beat Bane, then. 😄
Oh, wait, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE THREADS ABOUT. 😱
Stay on topic or this will close.

No, my point was that almost beating a wounded and fatigued Luke isn't evidence of Shimrra being uber, when we have proven weaklings doing the same.

And it was on topic, I was using an analogy that was directly related to Shimrra, it's not my fault that you're dumb.

Captain REX Networking

On the issue of 'how precog works,' go talk to Lightsnake, he already proved you wrong. I'm just saying that the next post on the matter will get you a warning, because you have been proven wrong and are persisting.

Is that clear?

And Bane could not beat anyone in a swordfight. For once in my entire time as moderator of the SWVs., I am going to accuse a person of fanboyism. That would be you.

Want to insult me again?

allfg Restricted

Lightsnake proved me wrong?

When the force is involved, that's what matters

LOL!

And please, nobody would be able to handle Bane in a duel, his orbalisk armour makes him virtually invincible, and even without it he's one of the top duelists.

Geez, I didn't realise retards could actually become moderators.

Captain REX Networking

That's two warnings right there, but I'll be nice and give you one. Keep it up. 😊

Darth Sexy Restricted

says the one who's been embarassed in virtually every single argument he's ever been involved in. Good job dumbshit🙂

Captain REX Networking

Play nice, DS, I've got it. 😉

Gideon Restricted

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
says the one who's been embarassed in virtually every single argument he's ever been involved in. Good job dumbshit🙂

*high-fives DS and steps back to whatch REX KICK SOME AAAASSSS!*

Captain REX Networking

Meanwhile, might I direct some attention to this thread?