Emma Frost Respect Thread

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Emma and Scott in the Savage Land

Uncanny X-Men #495
(6th February 2008)

(Writer: Ed Brubaker , Artist: Mike Choi and Sonia Oback)

Scott and Emma spend some quality time together in the Savage Land. They take on a Carniboar, kill it and roast it for dinner.

We also learn more about Scott and Emma from this trip. Thanks to Emma we now know what goes on in Scotts head most of the time.
Also it might just be artistic license but Emma can apparently turn her eyes Diamond now while the rest of her body is still flesh.

Airport Assistance

Claws #1
(October 2006)

(Writer: Jimmy Palmiotti, Artist: Joseph Michael Linsner

Wolverine's in Tokyo international Airport and he needs to get through the metal detector in order to board the plane. Emma who is in her office in New York mind controls an airport employee in Tokyo and plays a prank on Logan. Afterwards she mind wipes the employee so Logan can board the plane. She does this without the aid of Cerebra.

Claws #3
(December 2006)

(Writer: Jimmy Palmiotti, Artist: Joseph Michael Linsner

Wolverine and the Black Cat need help as they are about to be shot down by military jets as they approach New York city in a helicopter. Wolverine tries to contact Emma by thinking, she picks up on his thoughts and mind wipes the fighter pilots.

Regarding Emma Frost's Age

Now people unfortunately believe that Emma Frost is around the same age as Sebastian Shaw, Professor Charles Francis Xavier and Magneto due to her being portrayed as one of their peers in terms of power and role during her early appearances. eg She was called an Xavier level telepath in New Mutants, She was White Queen of the Hellfire Club, She ran her own School, she had her own ethos to the Mutant/Human dream and she was/is a multi-billionaire all of this was then reiterated during her years in Generation X etc.. So obviously she had to be there age by default
Even when UXM #151 indirectly stated that she was much younger then Sebastian Shaw people still seem to believe this.

Now recently we have been given an idea of where Emma stands age wise in terms of the other X-Men. Here's some of the recent evidence.

Emma Frost #6
(February 2004)
(Writer): Karl Bollers Artist: Randy Green)

This is High School Emma Frost before she left home. According to the scan near the end of this post from Generation X -1. Emma Frost was 15 when she left home. Emma would be 15 or less in this scan. She see's Xavier's mutants on T.V for the first time. This would actually make her Younger then the Original 4 (Beast, Jean, Cyclops and Angel) and much closer to Iceman's age.

New X-Men #138
(July 2003)
(Writer): Grant Morrison Artist: Frank Quitely with Avalon Studios )

Here's Emma Frost stating that she's 27...she has no reason to lie...

A.) There's no one around.
B.) She's in Diamond Form so the Cuckoo's wouldn't be able to hear that telepathically anyway.
C.) There's more proof that supports this.

Deadly Genesis #5
(May 2006)
(Writer): Ed BrubakerArtist: Pete Woods )

Here again, Emma is being recruited to join the X-Men 1.5. All the recruits were alluded to be around the same age which is:

About 1 year younger then Havok.

Again more proof that she's definitely not Xavier's age:

Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Alternate Universes 2005
(September 2005)
(Writer): eff Christiansen, Mark O'English, Sean McQuaid, Eric J. Moreels, Stuart Vandal, Michael Hoskin, Bill Lentz, Anthony Flamini, and Chris Biggs Artist: Tom Grummett and Morry Hollowell)

Firstly we have to establish that Marvel has a sliding timescale Time slides forward by 10-15 years whereby 15 years ago was the FF4's space flight. The X-Men would be a fairly new team in comparison to the FF4 so at worst lets say the X-Men started 14 years ago but it doesn't make a difference here. To understand more of Marvels sliding timescale read this:

Anyway now that that's been established is this a retcon...in short no:

Here are extracts from Generation X #31(October 1997) and Generation X #34(January 1998). (Credit goes to Aimee from the emmafrostfiles.com for scanning and finding these)

Generation X #31
(October 1997)
(Writer): James Robinson Artist: Chris Bachalo )

The writer is actually mistaken with a small bit in the Gen X #31 scan. Emma is actually stated to be 16 in Gen X -1. That would make her 26 at the moment with Marvel's sliding timescale.
Morrison's run made her 27...so nope it wasn't a retcon. And yes Emma achieved a lot when she was younger.

Generation X #34
(January 1998)
(Writer): Larry Hama Artist: Steve Harris and Scott Hanna )

Emma Frost is stated to be between 25-30 here.

Generation X #-1
(July 1997)
(Writer): Scott Lobdell Artist: Chris Bachalo)

Emma's stated to be 16 here when she first encounters the Inner Circle. This isn't her first encounter with the Hellfire Club as the issue alludes that she's been to 2 other parties before. Only this time she doesn't need to use her telepathy to get in. It also states that she left home at the age of 15.(A year ago.)

In short Emma is younger then the Original 4 and this isn't a retcon so Grant Morrison was right. At the moment she'd be around 27 and this will most probably remain stagnant due to Marvels sliding timescale.

An Idea of the Attack on Genosha

Uncanny X-Men #431
(November 2003)
(Writer: Chuck Austen Artists: Philip Tan)

I realize that this is Lorna Dane a.k.a Polaris but this will give us more of an idea on the attack on Genosha which Emma survived thanks to her Diamond Form.

Your rock, ExodusCloak! Great posts. Claws #1 was one of my favorite Scott/Emma issues. Emma getting Scott to laugh is always a treat.

Great age post too..might put it on my site since I've been thinking of some essay-type on her age.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
[b]Regarding Emma Frost's Age

Now people unfortunately believe that Emma Frost is around the same age as Sebastian Shaw, Professor Charles Francis Xavier and Magneto due to her being portrayed as one of their peers in terms of power and role during her early appearances. eg She was called an Xavier level telepath in New Mutants, She was White Queen of the Hellfire Club, She ran her own School, she had her own ethos to the Mutant/Human dream and she was/is a multi-billionaire all of this was then reiterated during her years in Generation X etc.. So obviously she had to be there age by default
Even when UXM #151 indirectly stated that she was much younger then Sebastian Shaw people still seem to believe this.

Now recently we have been given an idea of where Emma stands age wise in terms of the other X-Men. Here's some of the recent evidence.

Emma Frost #6
(February 2004)
(Writer): Karl Bollers Artist: Randy Green)

This is High School Emma Frost before she left home. According to the scan near the end of this post from Generation X -1. Emma Frost was 15 when she left home. Emma would be 15 or less in this scan. She see's Xavier's mutants on T.V for the first time. This would actually make her Younger then the Original 4 (Beast, Jean, Cyclops and Angel) and much closer to Iceman's age.

New X-Men #138
(July 2003)
(Writer): Grant Morrison Artist: Frank Quitely with Avalon Studios )

Here's Emma Frost stating that she's 27...she has no reason to lie...

A.) There's no one around.
B.) She's in Diamond Form so the Cuckoo's wouldn't be able to hear that telepathically anyway.
C.) There's more proof that supports this.

Deadly Genesis #5
(May 2006)
(Writer): Ed BrubakerArtist: Pete Woods )

Here again, Emma is being recruited to join the X-Men 1.5. All the recruits were alluded to be around the same age which is:

About 1 year younger then Havok.

Again more proof that she's definitely not Xavier's age:

Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Alternate Universes 2005
(September 2005)
(Writer): eff Christiansen, Mark O'English, Sean McQuaid, Eric J. Moreels, Stuart Vandal, Michael Hoskin, Bill Lentz, Anthony Flamini, and Chris Biggs Artist: Tom Grummett and Morry Hollowell)

Firstly we have to establish that Marvel has a sliding timescale Time slides forward by 10-15 years whereby 15 years ago was the FF4's space flight. The X-Men would be a fairly new team in comparison to the FF4 so at worst lets say the X-Men started 14 years ago but it doesn't make a difference here. To understand more of Marvels sliding timescale read this:

Anyway now that that's been established is this a retcon...in short no:

Here are extracts from Generation X #31(October 1997) and Generation X #34(January 1998). (Credit goes to Aimee from the emmafrostfiles.com for scanning and finding these)

Generation X #31
(October 1997)
(Writer): James Robinson Artist: Chris Bachalo )

The writer is actually mistaken with a small bit in the Gen X #31 scan. Emma is actually stated to be 16 in Gen X -1. That would make her 26 at the moment with Marvel's sliding timescale.
Morrison's run made her 27...so nope it wasn't a retcon. And yes Emma achieved a lot when she was younger.

Generation X #34
(January 1998)
(Writer): Larry Hama Artist: Steve Harris and Scott Hanna )

Emma Frost is stated to be between 25-30 here.

Generation X #-1
(July 1997)
(Writer): Scott Lobdell Artist: Chris Bachalo)

Emma's stated to be 16 here when she first encounters the Inner Circle. This isn't her first encounter with the Hellfire Club as the issue alludes that she's been to 2 other parties before. Only this time she doesn't need to use her telepathy to get in. It also states that she left home at the age of 15.(A year ago.)

In short Emma is younger then the Original 4 and this isn't a retcon so Grant Morrison was right. At the moment she'd be around 27 and this will most probably remain stagnant due to Marvels sliding timescale. [/B]

oldies but damn fine goodies... nice dude, very nice...

whats this claws comic?

The Claws comic was a mini featuring Wolverine. Emma had short appearances but they were very cute. The scans are on this page. 😛

Emma's Reaction to Wolverine getting a Giant Robot

Yes this is in continuity it was later references in the Civil War Daily Bugle.

That^ and the issues with Emma helping Nightcrawler, plus performing surgery on him - where are these issues to be found? 😄

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
[b]Regarding Emma Frost's Age

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If you haven't, you should consider adding that to the mythbuster thread.

What kind of strength feats does Emma have in diamond form?

Osmosis

Uncanny X-Men #496
(5th March 2008)
(Writer: Ed Brubaker Artist: Mike Choi)

Emma and Scott see a Celestial, Emma learns more about the Celestial through osmosis...which is sort of like psychometry except the residual psychic waves being read are left over thoughts(Background noise) rather than noise being emitted from an object or person.

Emma also shields herself and Scott from the psychic pulse that' has taken over the city.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
[b]Osmosis

Uncanny X-Men #496
(5th March 2008)
(Writer: Ed Brubaker Artist: Mike Choi)

Emma and Scott see a Celestial, Emma learns more about the Celestial through osmosis...which is sort of like psychometry except the residual psychic waves being read are left over thoughts(Background noise) rather than noise being emitted from an object or person.

Emma also shields herself and Scott from the psychic pulse that' has taken over the city.

[/B]

i saw that, clever girl...

Bypassing the O.N.E. Psi-Shielding

Deadly Genesis #2
(February 2006)
(Writer: Ed Brubaker, Artist: Trevor Hairsine and Scott Hanna)

Emma bypasses the O.N.E Sentinel's Psi-Shielding by sending her thoughts through the laser waves of their scanners.

*Now for the most important bit of information:

Who personally designed the O.N.E Sentinels?

Sentinel Squad O.N.E. #1
(February 2006)
(Writer: John Layman Artist: Aaron Lopresti)

S.H.I.E.L.D. and Stark Industries contributed to multiple defensive and offensive upgrades to the O.N.E. Sentinels.

In fact the Brawler Unit(The Unit that's most commonly piloted) was personally designed by Tony Stark himself.

Sentinel Squad O.N.E. #4
(June 2006)
(Writer: John Layman Artist: Aaron Lopresti)

Sentinel Squad O.N.E. #5
(July 2006)
(Writer: John Layman Artist: Aaron Lopresti)

Professor Emil Winston a genius in Cybernetics and A.I. has also contributed to the Sentinel's Upgrades.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
True, the art sucked for the most part in New X-Men. Also even though Morrison gave a valid explanation for "Magnetos" behaviour I still think he was taking the piss with the dialogue Erik used...the interaction between Mags and the New B-hood was hilarious however it looked like he was experimenting with Mags' comical side.

[b]Diamond Form

I posted some of her Diamond Form Genosha feats back. However I missed few bits.

The Sentinels could assimilate the tech around them to adapt(I'll post more scans later)

Radiation Levels were off the Charts when the Mega-Sentinels were finished blowing up Genosha


Emma's Diamond Form allowed her to survive this.
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Originally posted by ExodusCloak
[b]Cassandra Nova and her Nano-Sentinels

Remember Cassandra Nova's nano-sentinels. The ones that could assimilate their enviroment and adapt/grow. The ones that were used during the attack on Genosha? Well here's more of what they are capable of. Emmas secondary mutation(Diamond Form) allowed her to survive their attack on Genosha.

The Nano-sentinels can be used as a virus apparently and infect organic life-forms...and Scott thinks Cable did it.

Confirmation that these were Cassandra Nova's nano sentinels:

More confirmation and information on the Nano-Sentinel incident.
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006587357.cfm
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Cassandra Nova's Sentinels

Sentinel Squad O.N.E. #5
(July 2006)
(Writer: John Layman Artist: Aaron Lopresti)

More information on Cassandra Nova's Sentinels which destroyed Genosha and it's inhabitants.

Massachusets Academy

The "alma mater" for both the first Hellions and Generation X. The creation of Emma. Many of its rather advansed tech was created by Emma herself (Mutivac which was a whole lot more convinient to use than Cerebro for example).
Here's the handbook article on it.

"A young and brilliant woman..."

Now, I'm EXTREMELY convinced Emma is around 27-28. See, I was having problems before because of the way she was drawn and has been drawn. I guess she's just a woman who looks older than she actually is....not that that's a bad thing. 😄

(Mutivac which was a whole lot more convinient to use than Cerebro for example)

Hahah. Nice.

So, I thought Emma looked particularly great when her hair was up in Uncanny X-Mne. She's also had her hair up a few times in other issues such as New X-Men, etc. Personally, I think she needs to have her hair up more...it looks very classy!

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The famous Mutivac designed by Emma (she is one of the best telepaths in terms of inventing gadgets which operate with psionic power)- think of it as of optimised version of Cerebro...it didn't need the direct involviemjent of telepath to detect a psychic signature of a mutant

Xavier needs to struggle to locate Firestar when Emma... well... she just needs to press a button

Where Xavier needs to struggle with his mental powers, Emma just presses a button- the result is the same but with much less effort. Emma's ability to design sophisticated psi-related devices is underrated, though she's probably more talented than Xavier in that regard.

Mental Surgery on New Mutants
Sourse- New Mutants v1 #39

After traumatizing experience of Secret War events the psyche of New Mutants is shattered and ruined. Their mentor, Magneto, has no other choise but to send them to the best mental surgeon avaliable- Emma Frost, the White Queen of Hellfire Club.
And she almost succeeds with that task...

Hey, does anyone have the scans of the New Mutant issues where it states that the mental blocks Xavier put into his students head and the training he gave them to fight off telepaths were no match for the White Queen?

LOL I remember I scanned that New Mutants ish. Emma looks like she's molesting Rahne in third scan. O_O

Ahahaha, I love how Emma looks so uncomfortable when Rahne gave her that hug.