Originally posted by Mindship
Was it?WMThor = RegThorx10 was my initial (and certainly preferred) understanding, but this point has been disputed back and forth so much, I don't know what to believe anymore.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Speed? Nope. Surfer's hit warp speeds.Strength? Maybe. Surfer can amp his strength to slug it out with Hulk.
Energy Projection? Nope. Surfer's opened a black hole with sheer energy.
Durability? Nope. Sufer's taken more hits and worse hits from more powerful beings and been fine.
So, what's Wonder Woman gonna do?
Let me answer that for you. Sit there and get blown into oblivion.
Speed yes for WW (the fighting kind). SS is only fast traveling hyperspace (not fighting)
Energy. Who cares. Diana has the Aegis Shield
Durability. Who cares. SS has been rocked and KO by Thor, Hulk, and Spiderman, etc. Thus Diana can easily effect him
And Diana's reactions are much faster than nano seconds.
She blocks tens of light beams (speed of light) almost simultaneously. But who cares since her Aegis shield can negate anything SS can do.
So, what's Wonder Woman gonna do?
Well she can just sit there with the Aegis Shield and summon the God Wave. What's SS going to do about that?
SS fans, please at least give her a stalemate due to her Aegis Shield block. Isn't that common sense?
I say Surfer wins 8/10..
As for someone he fought w/ 10X strength; Morg w/ WOL, Champion w/ Wristband, Krosakis w/ enigma force, savage/mindless Hulk, WMThor, Galactus mighty hand comes to mind.. His taken a beating against this guys and comes out unscathed or smiling.. He can take a few well place hits from WW, his far more durable than her..
The godwave is probably the only think that could stop SS in its track but whats to stop SS from portin behind WW after the initial blast or portin to diff. Omniverse/dimensions and reappearing in front of her then pummeling her with energy blast, remember shes greatly weakend after summoning the godwave.. And yes he can teleport quite instanteneously, as shown against his fight w/ Quasimodo after giving him an augmented body that thinks/react as fast as a advance computer.. Also in Devils reign crossover he ported himself and a spaceship to the wildstorm omniverse instanteneously after analysing the chronal energy flux the ship is emitting..
Also its not entirely impossible for Surfer to matter manipulate WW even w/ her magical equipments protection his done it w/ BRB even change Stormbreaker form, then there's Ghaur one of the deviant he matter manipulated him from Plasma clouds to complete physical organic form, his basicly Cosmic/Mytically powered villain.. As i say he should be able to bypass those mystical matter manipulation defenses from Diana using CA..
Surfers is just too versatile specially if we remove the mental blocks
that makes him a pacifist ala bloodlusted... Just my 2cents..
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sit there and watch her destroy herself, since she can't handle the power of the Godwave.
It's been stated that she couldn't handle the Godwave for long periods of time due to her stamina. she did handle it for some time enough to fight a vastly powerful being. More powerful than the surfer. Now Given that the Guantlet of atlas would be amping her invulnerability ten times, I'd say that gives her enough stamina to handle the God wave long enough to kill surfer. On top of her ten times strength. She would basically be like WM thor with the PG. except she would be in her right mind. IF Surfer couldn't beat WM Thor, what makes anyone think he could beat Diana with basically the same type of Powerup and in the case of the GOdwave, a better power up?
Those transport authority ads obviously aren't doing their job. Their message isn't reaching anyone. Speed kills.
I've still seen nothing to indicate she can match Surfer's speed.
Her weapons are powerful, yes. But they augment her physicality. Physical augmentation. A sword that can cut through pretty much anything. A lasso that can stop an opponent in their tracks. All very well and good. All very powerful. But all only effective if they can connect.
Surfer only has to avoid her and transmute the oxygen in her lungs into argon, then wait until she asphyxiates.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Those transport authority ads obviously aren't doing their job. Their message isn't reaching anyone. Speed kills.I've still seen nothing to indicate she can match Surfer's speed.
Her weapons are powerful, yes. But they augment her physicality. Physical augmentation. A sword that can cut through pretty much anything. A lasso that can stop an opponent in their tracks. All very well and good. All very powerful. But all only effective if they can connect.
Surfer only has to avoid her and transmute the oxygen in her lungs into argon, then wait until she asphyxiates.
Who says she is going to asphysiate or that transmutation of any kind works on her? She has shown to be resistant to Superior Transmutation than Surfer. She has also shown that she doesn't need to breath for long periods of time. That God wave is more than a physical amp. It powers every super powered being. giving beings transmutation powers, speed, teleportation, as seen when ares was going to destroy the universe with it. As seen when The Titan basically wrecked heaven with it. Also surfer can travel fast but his reaction speeds are no faster than hers. She has FTL reaction speeds.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlHe wouldn't be transmuting her. So her resistance to transmutation is relatively moot. She does need to breathe, regardless of how long she can survive on a breath. And if that breath is changed from oxygen into jellybeans, how long she can survive on a breath diminishes significantly.
Who says she is going to asphysiate or that transmutation of any kind works on her? She has shown to be resistant to Superior Transmutation than Surfer. She has also shown that she doesn't need to breath for long periods of time. That God wave is more than a physical amp. It powers every super powered being. giving beings transmutation powers, speed, teleportation, as seen when ares was going to destroy the universe with it. As seen when The Titan basically wrecked heaven with it. Also surfer can travel fast but his reaction speeds are no faster than hers. She has FTL reaction speeds.
WW isn't Ares. Her only appearance with the Godwave had her use it ineffectively, she didn't appear to receive anything other than a physical amp.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He wouldn't be transmuting her. So her resistance to transmutation is relatively moot. She does need to breathe, regardless of how long she can survive on a breath. And if that breath is changed from oxygen into jellybeans, how long she can survive on a breath diminishes significantly.WW isn't Ares. Her only appearance with the Godwave had her use it ineffectively, she didn't appear to receive anything other than a physical amp.
WW is yet family as stated by the Gods. She used the Godwave effective enough. And A physical amp seems unlikely given the fact that she was glowing with power and she could have simply used the guantlet of atlas for a physical am. As for the air into jelly beans, It seems that your assuming that she couldn't just blow the beans out and breathe in new air given the fact that she can hold her breath for so long. There hasn't even been a stated defined limit as to how long as she has on several occasions been in space with no breathing apparatus. Let's not forget the disc of lanisheer can also provide her with many things as it can be what ever she wants it to be and needs it to be. Air/lung cleaning you name it.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlThen what, pray tell, did she use the Godwave for if not a physical amp. There's that one ambiguous page with Rama at the end of their fight where I have no idea what she did. Other than that all that she did was fight physically. WW with the Godwave does not equal Ares with the Godwave does not equal Cronus with the Godwave.
WW is yet family as stated by the Gods. She used the Godwave effective enough. And A physical amp seems unlikely given the fact that she was glowing with power and she could have simply used the guantlet of atlas for a physical am.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlI'm assuming the fight would be in space. A bloodlusted Surfer would just blow up the planet they're on. Meaning her Eagle armour is sealed so she has an air supply, meaning a limited air supply to draw from. No new air in space.
As for the air into jelly beans, It seems that your assuming that she couldn't just blow the beans out and breathe in new air given the fact that she can hold her breath for so long. There hasn't even been a stated defined limit as to how long as she has on several occasions been in space with no breathing apparatus.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Then what, pray tell, did she use the Godwave for if not a physical amp. There's that one ambiguous page with Rama at the end of their fight where I have no idea what she did. Other than that all that she did was fight physically. WW with the Godwave does not equal Ares with the Godwave does not equal Cronus with the Godwave.
I'm assuming the fight would be in space. A bloodlusted Surfer would just blow up the planet they're on. Meaning her Eagle armour is sealed so she has an air supply, meaning a limited air supply to draw from. No new air in space.
The eagle armor is Magical. It doesn't draw air from the planet. Also do you know what her limit is? how long she can go in space without air? Seems your making assumptions on the character without knowing too much. Why didn't surfer turn the air in thor's lungs against him?
Re: Re: Wonderwoman Vs. Silver Surfer
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Dead Diana.At this point you could give her an Anti-Surfer cannon and he'd still win.
You probably own like no WW books. So please just step out of the thread. WM thor is less than WW with all of her powers and weapons and we see how well surfer did against WM Thor.