Wonderwoman Vs. Silver Surfer

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The eagle armor is Magical. It doesn't draw air from the planet.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Also do you know what her limit is? how long she can go in space without air? Seems your making assumptions on the character without knowing too much.

I know she needs air to survive and that will suffice for me to say she can asphyxiate.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Why didn't surfer turn the air in thor's lungs against him?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Do you have any on panel proof that the Eagle armour grants her an inexhaustible air supply? Or are you just pulling speculations out of a hat.Do you know her limits? Can you give a definitive amount of time she can survive on a breath? Because if not, why ask me?

I know she needs air to survive and that will suffice for me. Good question. One your more than welcome to pose in a Thor vs Silver Surfer thread. Here's another one; how is that relevant to a forum fight against WW?

She has worn the eagle armor in space many occasions for vast amounts of time. Either the armor provides air or she doesn't need to breathe. Take your pick. either or will counter Surfers tampering as the air provided would be mystical in nature and not subject to his tampering. As for how long she needs before she can breathe, since we both dont know, we do know she can survive for prolonged periods of time, it's silly to suggest surfer can sufficate her when she has magical armor providing air and the battle most likely wouldn't last longer than anything in comics. As for Surfer transmuting the air in thor's lungs, of course it is relevant. if you trying to bring up things in diana's past to argue your point, aren't I allowed to bring up things in surfers past to argu mine?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
She has worn the eagle armor in space many occasions for vast amounts of time. Either the armor provides air or she doesn't need to breathe. Take your pick. either or will counter Surfers tampering as the air provided would be mystical in nature and not subject to his tampering. As for how long she needs before she can breathe, since we both dont know, we do know she can survive for prolonged periods of time, it's silly to suggest surfer can sufficate her when she has magical armor providing air and the battle most likely wouldn't last longer than anything in comics.

Or are you as asked earlier just pulling things out of the speculation hat and making non-logical unfounded extrapolations because the Eagle armour allows her to survive in space for a time.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As for Surfer transmuting the air in thor's lungs, of course it is relevant. if you trying to bring up things in diana's past to argue your point, aren't I allowed to bring up things in surfers past to argu mine?

If you were saying he couldn't transmute the air in Thor's lungs into something else, then had something on panel to back it up, then it might relate to the fight in some way at least. But as of now, it's the equivalent of asking why Flash doesn't blitz everyone all the time so that his comics last a page.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Can you quantify vast amounts of time. Or the amount of air the Eagle armour may be able to store. Or show in any way that the Eagle armour creates air out of nothing. Can you show that the air inside is mystical air. Can you show that if the air inside were transmuted into an inert gas that it would be expelled instantly and magically replaced.

Or are you as asked earlier just pulling things out of the speculation hat and making non-logical unfounded extrapolations because the Eagle armour allows her to survive in space for a time. Your asking why a non-bloodlusted Surfer in a comic book where characters don't always fight to their fullest didn't use a possibly viable tactic on Thor within his abilities to do; to say it won't work on WW.

If you were saying he couldn't transmute the air in Thor's lungs into something else, then had something on panel to back it up, then it might relate to the fight in some way at least. But as of now, it's the equivalent of asking why Flash doesn't blitz everyone all the time so that his comics last a page.

Show me a scan of surfer hurting One being who would be considered as Tuff and strong as WW would be with the guantlet of atlas on and I'll shut up. She would be around THanos/WMthor lvl with it on. So show me the surfer hurting either of them and I"ll be quiet. No better yet, show me him winning. as far as the air tactic, since you dont' have a definitive answer and neither do i, the air tactic can't be used becuz it's too subjective. try something else. we all know she can survive without breathing for some undefined time AND that the suit provides her to breath or maybe live without breathing, we dont' know. and since we dont know, we don't know that transmuting the air would do any good. Tactic is unviable as there is no conclusive evidence for or against it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Show me a scan of surfer hurting One being who would be considered as Tuff and strong as WW would be with the guantlet of atlas on and I'll shut up. She would be around THanos/WMthor lvl with it on. So show me the surfer hurting either of them and I"ll be quiet. No better yet, show me him winning. as far as the air tactic, since you dont' have a definitive answer and neither do i, the air tactic can't be used becuz it's too subjective. try something else. we all know she can survive without breathing for some undefined time AND that the suit provides her to breath or maybe live without breathing, we dont' know. and since we dont know, we don't know that transmuting the air would do any good. Tactic is unviable as there is no conclusive evidence for or against it.

Anyway, no one has shown anything to indicate the Gauntlets would make her on par with Thanos, of course it's of no surprise that you believe she would be.

She's has ten times her sub-Thor strength. Meaning she'd be below WM Thor. She'd have the Eagle armour to boost her durability though, so she could definitely take some hits. Though I doubt that she could just stand there and take planet destroying blast after planet destroying blast completely unfazed - if you have anything to suggest this would be the case then feel free to post it and I'll retract that.

She could use the Aegis shield constantly but that would severely limit her offensive capabilities.

Even with the Sandals she doesn't match Surfer in the speed department. She's still far from as versatile either.

Strength, speed and durability can all be amped by Surfer.

What is known with regard to WW and air. She needs to breathe.
What is known about the Eagle armor. It supplies her with oxygen for a time.
What are the unknowns? Mainly your speculations. i.e.
-The air supply is unlimited.
-The air supplied is magic air that can't be transmuted.
-The armor makes it so she doesn't need to breathe.
The onus is on you to prove positive any of these really. As it stands the fact that she needs to breathe, and with nothing to conclusively prove any of those speculations, transmuting the air in her lungs and armour into neon is perfectly viable.

And before you once again bring up the Godwave. All she'll manage to do with it is burn herself out.

I'm sure she'd put up a good fight, as I said earlier I'm aware her weapons are formidable tools. But I still see Surfer taking the majority. 🙂

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Firstly, why on earth do you spell the word tough "tuff". It's irksome. Secondly, I'm quite certain you'll never be quiet; you'll continue to rage and rave no matter what anyone posts.

Anyway, no one has shown anything to indicate the Gauntlets would make her on par with Thanos, of course it's of no surprise that you believe she would be.

She's has ten times her sub-Thor strength. Meaning she'd be below WM Thor. She'd have the Eagle armour to boost her durability though, so she could definitely take some hits. Though I doubt that she could just stand there and take planet destroying blast after planet destroying blast completely unfazed - if you have anything to suggest this would be the case then feel free to post it and I'll retract that.

She could use the Aegis shield constantly but that would severely limit her offensive capabilities.

Even with the Sandals she doesn't match Surfer in the speed department. She's still far from as versatile either.

Strength, speed and durability can all be amped by Surfer.

What is known with regard to WW and air. She needs to breathe.
What is known about the Eagle armor. It supplies her with oxygen for a time.
What are the unknowns? Mainly your speculations. i.e.
-The air supply is unlimited.
-The air supplied is magic air that can't be transmuted.
-The armor makes it so she doesn't need to breathe.
The onus is on you to prove positive any of these really. As it stands the fact that she needs to breathe, and with nothing to conclusively prove any of those speculations, transmuting the air in her lungs and armour into neon is perfectly viable.

And before you once again bring up the Godwave. All she'll manage to do with it is burn herself out.

I'm sure she'd put up a good fight, as I said earlier I'm aware her weapons are formidable tools. But I still see Surfer taking the majority. 🙂

First off, There is no conclusive evidence that her strength is sub Thor. in the CANON JLA vs avengers, Superman clearly says in his world the dials go up to eleven and SUperman soundly trumped Thor. WW has been able to stand up to Superman on several occasions. So exactly were did you get the Idea that WW's strength was sub Thor? Of course you are forgetting also the Guantlet not only increases the weareres strength, but thier stamina and durability. Ten Times the wonder woman is a mighty being indeed. as far as the God wave goes, It was said that she would burn herself out becuz she wasn't strong enough to handle it. She used the Wave long enough and well enough for me to exatrapolate that ten times her strength and stamina and invulnerability would allow her to use the God wave Much longer. As far as the unknowns, I'll simply refute your argument about the air and say that it has been shown that Diana can go without air for a prolonged period of time. It doesn't even stop her from fighting at max since she beat a white martian in space unfased or even tired. the air thing won't work.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You probably own like no WW books. So please just step out of the thread. WM thor is less than WW with all of her powers and weapons and we see how well surfer did against WM Thor.

honestly I can't believe I am back in this thread. Was SS actually trying to hurt Thor? No, that was the entire point.

Would you honestly say Thor wins against SS and BRB... no, Would you say that Thor wins against BRB, SS, and AW?? Of cource not, and WW even with all of her stuff would NOT beat them.

You can't use a fight where heros were trying to stop him as an example of them losing. I am aware that SS said he was done holding back, and then got ktfo, but still, if you think he was using all his power you are in need of help.

WW with all of these weapons is a formidable emeny, and could take the SS, but don't exagerate her power.

On what basis are you comparing WM Thor to WW?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First off, There is no conclusive evidence that her strength is sub Thor. in the CANON JLA vs avengers, Superman clearly says in his world the dials go up to eleven and SUperman soundly trumped Thor. WW has been able to stand up to Superman on several occasions. So exactly were did you get the Idea that WW's strength was sub Thor? Of course you are forgetting also the Guantlet not only increases the weareres strength, but thier stamina and durability. Ten Times the wonder woman is a mighty being indeed. as far as the God wave goes, It was said that she would burn herself out becuz she wasn't strong enough to handle it. She used the Wave long enough and well enough for me to exatrapolate that ten times her strength and stamina and invulnerability would allow her to use the God wave Much longer. As far as the unknowns, I'll simply refute your argument about the air and say that it has been shown that Diana can go without air for a prolonged period of time. It doesn't even stop her from fighting at max since she beat a white martian in space unfased or even tired. the air thing won't work.

I didn't forget durability/stamina, I only said strength because I was only referring to strength when I stated sub-WM Thor. But again no one has shown her level of durability with either the Eagle armor or gauntlets to properly gauge.

More speculation "much longer." How long? Let me guess "long enough."

Surfer can avoid WW for a "prolonged period of time" and "long enough" until she asphyxiates or burns herself out.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
honestly I can't believe I am back in this thread. Was SS actually trying to hurt Thor? No, that was the entire point.

Would you honestly say Thor wins against SS and BRB... no, Would you say that Thor wins against BRB, SS, and AW?? Of cource not, and WW even with all of her stuff would NOT beat them.

You can't use a fight where heros were trying to stop him as an example of them losing. I am aware that SS said he was done holding back, and then got ktfo, but still, if you think he was using all his power you are in need of help.

WW with all of these weapons is a formidable emeny, and could take the SS, but don't exagerate her power.

On what basis are you comparing WM Thor to WW?

Guantlet of atlas gives her ten times the strength,stamina, and invulnerability

The disc of lanishar can become what ever she needs it to even a weapon

The sandle allow her even greater speed and teleportation and dimension hopping

the bracelets have deflected the Omega beams and the shield of aegis has deflected the combined might of the pantheon of greek gods.

the sword of hephestious has managed to cut superman and the skyfather Gog

the lasso has beaten hectate who had Ultimate power

The eagle armor suit was forged by the gods and is also indestructible

The God wave was able to beat the armies of heaven, nearly destroy the universe, and crush a being so mighty, that diana had to call upon the use of it.

Is that a good enough comparison?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's been stated that she couldn't handle the Godwave for long periods of time due to her stamina. she did handle it for some time enough to fight a vastly powerful being. More powerful than the surfer. Now Given that the Guantlet of atlas would be amping her invulnerability ten times, I'd say that gives her enough stamina to handle the God wave long enough to kill surfer. On top of her ten times strength. She would basically be like WM thor with the PG. except she would be in her right mind. IF Surfer couldn't beat WM Thor, what makes anyone think he could beat Diana with basically the same type of Powerup and in the case of the GOdwave, a better power up?

Saying SS could not beat him in this situation is alittle bit of an exageration. SS was not trying to Kill Thor, nor was BRB, nor was AW when he later entered in. If it was for instance bloodlusted BRB and bloodlusted SS vs WM Thor, you would take the team right?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Canon garbage is still garbage. WW doesn't match Superman through brute physicality.

I didn't forget durability/stamina, I only said strength because I was only referring to strength when I stated sub-WM Thor.

More speculation "much longer." How long? Let me guess "long enough."

Surfer can avoid WW for a "prolonged period of time" and "long enough" until she asphyxiates or burns herself out.

A bloodlusted surfer won't be avoiding anything. That is the point of bloodlust. going str8 in for the kill. Also you can call it garbage all you want, Diana stalemated CM who has stalemated Superman. She held back and was able to survive a crazed superman who thought she was doomsday. Don't tell me she's sub Thor. That doesn't make sense when Thor Got his ass handed to him and he was trying to win.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
A bloodlusted surfer won't be avoiding anything. That is the point of bloodlust. going str8 in for the kill. Also you can call it garbage all you want, Diana stalemated CM who has stalemated Superman. She held back and was able to survive a crazed superman who thought she was doomsday. Don't tell me she's sub Thor. That doesn't make sense when Thor Got his ass handed to him and he was trying to win.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
A bloodlusted surfer won't be avoiding anything. That is the point of bloodlust. going str8 in for the kill. Also you can call it garbage all you want, Diana stalemated CM who has stalemated Superman. She held back and was able to survive a crazed superman who thought she was doomsday. Don't tell me she's sub Thor. That doesn't make sense when Thor Got his ass handed to him and he was trying to win.

If you wanna use that logic, then okay.

Surfer > Diana, and here's how.

Surfer is over Firelord, who got kayoed by an exploding gas station.

Diana has been beaten by someone else who got kayed by and exploding gas station (Superman)

So, since Diana is evidently < Exploding Gas Stations, and Surfer is apparently > them, then Surfer is definately > Wonder Woman.

Wasn't that fun?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sorry where does "bloodlust" suddenly equate to "fights stupid."

I'm sorry since he wont' be fighting stupid, then niether would she, a dimension hop to a magical wrealm that he can not get to or sense, and a hop back in while amped by the god wave ends this fight as he is caught off gaurd. You see how easy it is to come up with a way for either to get the victory. for every way you can think of that the surfer could get a win, I could think of just as many ways she could get a win and a counter to his win.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
If you wanna use that logic, then okay.

Surfer > Diana, and here's how.

Surfer is over Firelord, who got kayoed by an exploding gas station.

Diana has been beaten by someone else who got kayed by and exploding gas station (Superman)

So, since Diana is evidently < Exploding Gas Stations, and Surfer is apparently > them, then Surfer is definately > Wonder Woman.

Wasn't that fun?

Diana>>>>>brick>>>>> surfer's head

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Diana>>>>>brick>>>>> surfer's head

When did a brick KO Surfer? Is this another one of your "Thanos fears Hulk" arguments?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm sorry since he wont' be fighting stupid, then niether would she, a dimension hop to a magical wrealm that he can not get to or sense, and a hop back in while amped by the god wave ends this fight as he is caught off gaurd. You see how easy it is to come up with a way for either to get the victory. for every way you can think of that the surfer could get a win, I could think of just as many ways she could get a win and a counter to his win.

wait, SS can enter other dimenstions. And also, does she have cosmic awareness. I mean can she tell that SS is hebind a moon light years away?

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
When did a brick KO Surfer? Is this another one of your "Thanos fears Hulk" arguments?

Diana>>>>>>>>lightning>>>Surfer

haermm

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm sorry since he wont' be fighting stupid, then niether would she, a dimension hop to a magical wrealm that he can not get to or sense, and a hop back in while amped by the god wave ends this fight as he is caught off gaurd. You see how easy it is to come up with a way for either to get the victory. for every way you can think of that the surfer could get a win, I could think of just as many ways she could get a win and a counter to his win.