Their job isn't to fit in enough minorities, it's to make comics. When a black writer comes and ****s up FANTASTIC FOUR, I get pissed.
Hudlin can create his own comic universe without white people and have a grand time there, or even create a new black bimbo with no personality for BP. But NO, he may not just rob Storm of all her personality like that.
Every superhero team has a minority, isn't that okay?
Originally posted by llagrok
Their job isn't to fit in enough minorities, it's to make comics. When a black writer comes and ****s up FANTASTIC FOUR, I get pissed.Hudlin can create his own comic universe without white people and have a grand time there, or even create a new black bimbo with no personality for BP. But NO, he may not just rob Storm of all her personality like that.
Ok that sucks but you still havnet answered my question.
Originally posted by Alfheim
You see this is what I dont like....on one hand you disagree with black people when you say writers are being racist, ok fair enough. Maybe in some circumstances its exaggerated but on the other hand im not being bad its like white people are now going to the extreme and saying that racism doesnt exist. Dont you think thats a bit naive?
Originally posted by llagrok
Every superhero team has a minority, isn't that okay?
I thought you said it wasnt?
Originally posted by llagrokI agree with the fact that we need more minority characters,
Originally posted by llagrok
We need more of them, but if there's one in each team then it's not that bad 🙂
Well the mutant situation sucks bigtime its blantantly obvious.
Originally posted by llagrok
No, I don't think it's naive to think that there is no racism among the white writers of Marvel comics today.
Ok fair enough I disagree but I dont think its that bad, but im sure there must be SOME racism. Racism exists in the world dont see why there wouldnt be any at Marvel.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok fair enough I disagree but I dont think its that bad, but im sure there must be SOME racism. Racism exists in the world dont see why there wouldnt be any at Marvel.
I saw Santa Clause give a very informative speech about racism at a Global Warming convention in the lost city of Atlantis. 😄
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Racism is virtually nonexistent today, it his hardly a hot button issue... but racism fanboys can't let it die. 😱
Thats what I mean thats naive. Thats why people were rioting at the g8 summit. 🙄
But I would agree things are alot better. Yes most of the people roiting were white, but they were doing it because there is still a problem.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats what I mean thats naive. Thats why people were rioting at the g8 summit. 🙄But I would agree things are alot better. Yes most of the people roiting were white, but they were doing it because there is still a problem.
Pretty sure those riots were about unfair trade policies that put third world countries further and furth in debt, and prevent development.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Pretty sure those riots were about unfair trade policies that put third world countries further and furth in debt, and prevent development.
Yeah.......well at any rate like I said things have improved alot. But i think if you say its virtually non-existant its naive. I dont think thats unreasonable.
If I said Marvel were completely worthless and havent done anything thing good I would think that would be unreasonable. I have actually made some positive statements.
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Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah.......well at any rate like I said things have improved alot. But i think if you say its virtually non-existant its naive. I dont think thats unreasonable.
Yeah I was just saying that econmic policy reform really isn't racism.
All I know is that the biggest act of racism in the last ten years was what a commenter said about the players in the WMBA.... and lets be honest, everyone talks shit about the WMBA. 😈
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I wasn't being serious lol.... oh, and he called them nabby headed hos or something
To tell the truth I have not read comics in awhile, so things may have changed alot. I like Luke Cage being head of the New Avengers. The fact that his partner is white show they are trying. I perssonaly dont have a problem with his partner being white. :
But anyway like I said. I want to keep an open mind, but sometimes if you give people too much of the benefit of the doubt it can be dangerous. I think thats fair. 😐
Actually come to think of it.....I tell you one area wheres theres alot of racism and thats Heathenism, not suprised really but its stuff like that, that makes me still a bit cynical.
Originally posted by His Airness
Why is that people hate to be told what they truly are? If today someone came to me and told me that I was prejudice against white people I couldn't deny it. Do I hate or dislike them? No, but because of my environment and previous encounters with them it's a more natural feeling.Now White people would like to believe that their not prejudice but they are. They feel more comfortable around white people, they're more likely to trust in a white person than a black person, they will associate evil with black more times than they do white, etc. It's easily conceivable, considering every time you watch the news you see Deandre getting arrested. Or every time you toon in to a television show the black guys the drug dealer and the white guys the cop or judge. Subconsciously these negative images of black people and the positive images of white people have an effect on you.
Do I think Reggie Hudlin is a racist like many of you implied? No, however he is prejudice.
Is Reggie Hudlin the greatest writer? No, but if you actually take the times to read his comics without a bias, and pay attention to his work. You may realize there's more truth to his writing than you think.
Originally posted by Disappear
7. you completely ignore the racial storylines that are actually progressive or thought-provoking. how about in peter milligan's [a white man's]
CHECK
READ my earlier posts. Did I not give CC and TM some love and recognition.
CC has made the BEST black characters to date, and people (other writers) keep f'in'em up
Originally posted by Disappear
x-statix, where the issue of being black was not only tied into celebrity and mutant status, but the bigotry that exists between blacks was brought up?
Black on Black bigotry is "progressive" and "thought provoking" as opposed to what?
Where are the X-statics now?
Promotion might be one reason that I have never read or even heard about that book.
Originally posted by Disappear
2. the "white man" gave storm straight hair and blue eyes to make her "less threatening" as a black character? give me a ****ing break. D, you seem to be a storm fan of a relatively high order. surely you must know that storm came from an amalgamation of two characters rejected by DC; a cat woman and some bird woman. the cat woman became the main template, but to rationalize the wind/weather powers of the bird woman, they changed her appearance and grafted her into her own mythology. she's from a line of african women who possess those traits as a symbol of the "goddessness" in their "bright lady" religion. clearly that wasn't an effort to make the character more ****ing interesting, a plot line which has lasted until this very day, but just some scheme to trick us white people into accepting a black character. do some research.
As far as the amalgamation is concerned you are right.
However, what does that have to do with White hair, or Blue eyes?
They could have just easily given her Average hair, and Brown eyes.
(If "Appearance" has nothing to do with "Character". Then "Character" shouldn't have anything to do with "Appearance". i.e. A character doesn't have to be black for me to consider him a Great character. But likewise, Great characters could also be Black)
Originally posted by Disappear
3. everett ross was put in place to make people less threatened by t'challa's dominance as a black man?
Yep.
Originally posted by Disappear
are you ****ing kidding me?
Nope.
Priest said it himself, he was looking for a way to "Bridge the gap" and found his inspiration in "Chandler" from friends.
Originally posted by Disappear
it's like you have a compulsion to twist things so they make white people look inherently racist.
You mean the way you twist things, and try to make me sound 🤪
("what you see, isn't really what you see....."😉 riiiiiiight!!!)
Originally posted by Disappear
i've read years of black panther stories, I'm entirely white [irish, mostly] and haven't once given two shits about this "threatening dominance" you claim exists.
Good for you. So you were there for the less than stellar imagination that went into writing a great conceptual character? What about his "Awesome" stint with the Avengers? Or the years of BS that turned a KING into a C-list, Street level hero. To be clear, I'm not mad about him helpin the hood and dealing with street level threats. I am however puzzled over the fact, that as previously written (before Priest), that the King of a nation that's never been conquered can't be written as A-list (logically Tony Stark and Bruce Wyne shouldn't hold a candle to this guy).
Originally posted by Disappear
it was a new, unexplored framework for telling the stories, and it worked well.
Give the man his Propers for innovating (necessity (wanting your book to do well) is often the mother of such)
Originally posted by Disappear
t'challa wasn't any less the focal point of the series because of it. it's not like us white readers were confused or set at ease by ross referring to t'challa as "my client."
Comfort can be subliminal and misleading.
Ex. Lights don't really keep bad things from happening to you, but they make you feel better.
Ex. hiding under the covers won't keep a bad guy away. But it might make you feel better.
Teddy bears are in the same boat.
Ex. Black people used to straighten their hair in an attempt to "Pass" or to help white people not think of them as "Nappy headed".
Don Imus proved to us how well that worked out.
I'll bring it home.
Bottom line: The fact that he refers to the king of a nation as "My Client" the way he says and uses the term "My Client" can have different meanings to different people (right about now, I'm getting pretty good at reading between the lines).
Originally posted by Disappear
i didn't sit at home thinking, "well, i don't know who this client is, but I'm relatively certain he's NOT black.
It's not about hiding the fact that he's Black. It's about sugar coating his dopeness.
Originally posted by Disappear
cooking up stories about how you think white people act doesn't make you a victim of racism. it makes you a racist.
I don't have to "cook up" anything (look up terms like Universal appeal and Nonthreatening. who do they apply to?). I know what I've been through. Can't speak for anybody else.
and I never said that I wasn't..you know racist.
Originally posted by Disappear
4. storm kissing everybody? really, who "everybody" was she kissing "back then"? because, as i see it, "back then" refers to a time a while ago which isn't within the last few years of common knowledge. because, as i remember my x-men history, storm was in an intimate, long-standing relationship with forge for a good time of her tenure as an x-man. forge, a cheyenne indian whose people not only were abused, attacked and cheated by the european settlers in america, but whose people also faced discrimination from other indian tribes prior to, during, and after those times.
Forge was cool. I liked Forge.
Originally posted by Disappear
oh shit, i mean, she was just dating some white guy.
CHECK
Originally posted by Disappear
thank GOD hudlin had the brilliant idea to ignore the entirety of storm's romantic past and slapped her and t'challa together after a short reunion of a relationship. but hey, at least they're the same color. finally some justice in comics.
So......
You didn't have a problem with other writers having her kiss people back then when it didn't make sense? ("white guys"😉
But you have a problem with this writer, because she's married and it "doesn't make sense" and was forced? ("black guy"😉
Originally posted by Disappear
5. the new mutants/new x-men writers decided to add in minority characters, somehow ONLY to attract a fanbase with minority readers, then depowered/killed their characters off because somehow they were unable to handle writing stories with colored character in them? bull****ingshit. first, a DIFFERENT creative team was responsible for depowering/killing the characters than the original creators, so that automatically throws that idea out the window already. then there's the fact that they HAD TO depower a portion of their cast to fit with the House of M fallout, and their decidedly violent storylines called for multiple student deaths. david got depowered [boo ****ing hoo] but he's not dead. tag got killed, and suddenly it's a racial thing? he was killed for the same reason cypher [a WHITE character] was killed; he'd used up is usefulness. how many stories could they really write where people needed to be mind-controlled into being chased off? he got his moment in the sun in the hellions mini-series, but that's really all they could do with a power as limited and useless as that. so he was one of, what, two dozen students to die? what about quill, or icarus, or the myriad other students who died? because they killed a student who wasn't white, it's some racially-motivated plot? quit patting yourselves on the back, you didn't figure shit out. you made up some dumbass story to validate your opinion, and insulted a number of hard-working people in the industry to do so. way to go.
It's my theory. Yes.
From the POV of an African American that loves comics and wants to see himself represented in them,
It appears as though they add these characters to get my (and people that feel the way i do) money (quota/tokenism).
Something like..." Oh wow, a new X-book. Oh wow, they got a black kid. I wonder what he can do. I think i'll check'em out."
Then they de power/kill them off once they get their #'s up.
and then it's like "There goes another one."
Ex. Synch and Prodigy are the same character and will share the same fate.
(incidentally, he had his Heart ripped out by Belasco in the latest book.)
Tag is not an argument as his power was indeed a plot device as was his character.
Originally posted by Disappear
6. apocalypse is of african descent, so if you want to rope him into your black comic character grouping, go for it. just ignore the fact that he's decidedly non-racial [blue on grey] BECAUSE of his views on mutant supremacy. he sees things as "human" and "mutant," not as "white," "black," "hispanic," "asian" or otherwise. but congratulations for getting pissed that the biggest mutant megalomaniac in x-men history isn't waving his black card around. way to completely miss the point.
Toldya Alfhiem, Debatable.
Originally posted by Disappear
7. what about in j. michael straczynski's supreme power, where the same intra-racial conflict was brought up again between the blur and nighthawk? "house negro" v. "field negro," as if one group of black people have a right to claim worse oppression and bigotry because of their immediate surroundings. as if feeling the pain of their ancestors, and the intolerance of racism, is only something the less-well-off [funny, considering how much richer than stanley nighthawk was] can do. that storyline must not have existed.
I LOVE supreme power and I F'with what they did with Darrfur.
FYI the terms House Niger and Field Niger have nothing to do with rich or poor but everything to do with favoritism, principles, and attitudes.
Maybe you should do somemufukin research.
Originally posted by Disappear
i'm sure there were times in the comic industry, even times in the present day, when race has played a factor in decisions being made.
making a character white or black or asian or mexican or whatever. promoting certain characters over others. i'm not alleging that things like that don't exist. but this thread's turned into some pity party where you've gathered up and said "look what they did to us," "look what they did to our black characters, JUST FOR BEING BLACK," when you have no idea whether that's the case. no references to other minorities being discriminated against in terms of characters or character-usage. what about, as SC said, the fact that hudlin's "plight of the minority" campaign only applies to black characters? what about the utter lack of jewish characters [they have, what, kitty? magneto? the thing? a couple d-list israeli characters?] what about hispanic, or asian? where're the big plots promoting their diversity and heritage?
Who ever said he was "concerned" with ALL minorities?
Originally posted by Disappear
if you've got a problem with how things are going down in the comic industry, get off your ass and do something.
You mean like Priest, Hudlin, McDuffie, or Gravioux?
Originally posted by Disappear
write to hudlin, write to mcduffie. write to joe quesada or stan lee or anyone. tell them how you feel, why you feel that way, and what you think should change. or work your ass off, get a position where you can MAKE change yourself, and do something about it.
You mean like Priest, Hudlin, McDuffie, or Gravioux?
Originally posted by Disappear
quit bitching on some internet forum like a bunch of girls with no prom dates.
You mean like you guys over the work done by Hudlin or McDuffie?
Originally posted by Disappear
and do your ****ing research before you start accusing shit of being a white man's conspiracy.
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