Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
My statement: I think that more than most any other genre of music, Metal is something that people can be more inclined to clearly (and definitively) outgrow...The reason: It's because Metal and it's variants, more than most other types of music, has at its core the emotion of (primarily) anger that makes it what it is...it is its most appealing attribute.
If the anger in the music begins to no longer reflect what's in your maturing psyche, mind, heart, whatever, then the desire to listen to it wanes...and it may even become fully unappealing. But again, this is depending on if you ARE advancing, maturing, growing and generally becoming a better, wiser human being.
While I agree with most of your post, this part, I have to say, is a load of crap. Allow me to explain.
I'm sorry, but using stereotypes in to prove a point is a dire mistake. If you want to refer to metal as a whole, you're generalizing METAL, not just "angry metal." Anger is not an influence in METAL. However, aggression is a core influnce in specific genres of metal, including Death Metal, Thrash Metal, Metalcore, Heavy Metal, in some cases Black Metal, etc.
However, you forget that Progressive Metal, Power Metal, and many Folk Metal bands don't have an ounce of "anger" in them. They are more melody driven and in certain songs can be quite serine (see "Himmel Så Trind" by Falconer).
Outgrowing anger has nothing to do with outgrowing metal itself, just certain kinds. You hear middle-aged men say "Oh, back in the 80's I was a real headbanger. I'd always be going to see Maiden and Megadeth, and Judas Priest, but now I've settled down." all the time. I can't imagine someone saying, "Yeah, so I was really into fun, catchy, soft, progressive music, but then I came to my senses and started listening to Emerson Lake and Palmer."
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Wo! Hold on...did everybody get those names?M...Metallica?...and Megadeth.....but the OLD stuff!
Awsome, thanks!
...sorry
LMAO!!!Thats gotta be one of the funniest posts I've ever read.
On topic!Metal is not awful, that entire arguement is rubbish.Anyone who thinks lowly of metal and those who listen to it are nothing but garbage.
Originally posted by Bardiel13
Find me another genre that commonly has divisions that fuses itself with Folk, Classical, Electronica, Funk, Jazz, and/or Punk.
Rock, and rock came first, without rock metal would not be.
Metal is slowly becoming the single most repetitive genre there is.
Pop is more diverse than metal right now. Now, while your reactionary blood may boil at that notion, it's actually quite true. Whether or not the music is good, it's still more diverse.
Metal is "the most diverse" to those like you who think creating billions of labels makes it so. The music itself really doesn't have as much variation as other genres.
So, it's the most creative genre because it steals from other genres? Surely "metal" as a whole is not that creative then.
Why do you think the best metal bands don't actually stay "pure" for very long? Opeth? Emperor? Metallica? Slayer? Dillinger? Mastodon?
The reason is because metal in general is, far from being diverse, a very restrictive genre. Hence why many bands incorporate their music with other flavours to become more. All it takes is sense to realise this, but I recognise this may be a tall order.
Master of Puppets by Metallica is regarded as one of the best general metal albums ever, but that is not pure metal, it has acoustic elements to it. Calculating Infinity by The Dillinger Escape Plan? Lots of jazz influence. Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk by Emperor? Lots of classical and orchestral music. Leviathan or Blood Mountain by Mastodon? Lots of early "grunge" and progressive rock influence.
While metal albums they may be, they are not purely so. Because any "pure" metal band is most likely shit, like Mortician, or Immortal, or even early Emperor, while good, was rather dull in comparison to when Ihsahn branched out. Opeth are at the point where it can be argued that they're not even metal anymore.
So no, you're really quite wrong.
-AC
When it comes down to it, NO genre is diverse or innovative.
Musicians are, not genres. Genres are just labels.
Rock isn't innovative because Prince is the man, Prince is innovative, not rock. Nickelback are rock, so it's stupid to say any genre is inherently diverse or innovative.
Musicians are diverse, genres aren't.
-AC
It's always enough for me to say "Metal" or "Rock", me using those doesn't mean I'm lumping all bands together, I can tell the difference, I don't think they're the same.
It's just stupid.
Notice how there are always "sellouts" in metal, according to metalheads? Why? Because they notice that a band starts out "pure", the band think "F*cking wait, this is very boring.", evolve their sound and the fans get pissed.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Rock, and rock came first, without rock metal would not be.Metal is slowly becoming the single most repetitive genre there is.
Pop is more diverse than metal right now. Now, while your reactionary blood may boil at that notion, it's actually quite true. Whether or not the music is good, it's still more diverse.
Metal is "the most diverse" to those like you who think creating billions of labels makes it so. The music itself really doesn't have as much variation as other genres.
So, it's the most creative genre because it steals from other genres? Surely "metal" as a whole is not that creative then.
Why do you think the best metal bands don't actually stay "pure" for very long? Opeth? Emperor? Metallica? Slayer? Dillinger? Mastodon?
The reason is because metal in general is, far from being diverse, a very restrictive genre. Hence why many bands incorporate their music with other flavours to become more. All it takes is sense to realise this, but I recognise this may be a tall order.
Master of Puppets by Metallica is regarded as one of the best general metal albums ever, but that is not pure metal, it has acoustic elements to it. Calculating Infinity by The Dillinger Escape Plan? Lots of jazz influence. Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk by Emperor? Lots of classical and orchestral music. Leviathan or Blood Mountain by Mastodon? Lots of early "grunge" and progressive rock influence.
While metal albums they may be, they are not purely so. Because any "pure" metal band is most likely shit, like Mortician, or Immortal, or even early Emperor, while good, was rather dull in comparison to when Ihsahn branched out. Opeth are at the point where it can be argued that they're not even metal anymore.
So no, you're really quite wrong.
-AC
Dude. Calm the hell down. Was I being literal when I said "most diverse"? No. I am fully aware other genres of music are filled to the brim with diversity. However, being able to find complete opposites in tempo, vocal style, themes, etc. upon several msucial fusions like folk and classical counts as diversity, does it not?
To put it simply, I was just saying something nice about a genre of music I like by complimenting on an aspect of it. You see, not everything I say is a debate. I do not hold myself absolute, but I will defen what I say. I was not saying "METAL IS SUPERIOR BECAUSE IT IS THE MOST DIVERSE AND DIFFERENT FORM Of MUSIC EVER AND ANYONE WHO SAYD OTHERWISE SHALL EXPECT A WAVE OF HATE LETTERS AND FLAMES!!". I was simply exaggerating a bit to get my point across on why I love metal.
It was just supposed to be a friendly post, yet you have to come along and God knows, whenever you see me post, either your blood boils or you just find it as another way to jack off to your own ego and how you're the God of all music. Probably both.
Originally posted by Bardiel13
Dude. Calm the hell down. Was I being literal when I said "most diverse"? No. I am fully aware other genres of music are filled to the brim with diversity. However, being able to find complete opposites in tempo, vocal style, themes, etc. upon several msucial fusions like folk and classical counts as diversity, does it not?To put it simply, I was just saying something nice about a genre of music I like by complimenting on an aspect of it. You see, not everything I say is a debate. I do not hold myself absolute, but I will defen what I say. I was not saying "METAL IS SUPERIOR BECAUSE IT IS THE MOST DIVERSE AND DIFFERENT FORM Of MUSIC EVER AND ANYONE WHO SAYD OTHERWISE SHALL EXPECT A WAVE OF HATE LETTERS AND FLAMES!!". I was simply exaggerating a bit to get my point across on why I love metal.
It was just supposed to be a friendly post, yet you have to come along and God knows, whenever you see me post, either your blood boils or you just find it as another way to jack off to your own ego and how you're the God of all music. Probably both.
I've never claimed I'm the god of anything, not once. I'm one of the only people on this site that hasn't actually claimed that about myself, everyone else seems to get that out of my posts, so thanks.
On topic, you exaggerated a point, gave no indication you were doing so and even challenged someone to prove you wrong when he disagreed with your initial "It's the most diverse!" comment. I did so, quite emphatically, and now you're upset.
My advice is; deal.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I've never claimed I'm the god of anything, not once. I'm one of the only people on this site that hasn't actually claimed that about myself, everyone else seems to get that out of my posts, so thanks.On topic, you exaggerated a point, gave no indication you were doing so and even challenged someone to prove you wrong when he disagreed with your initial "It's the most diverse!" comment. I did so, quite emphatically, and now you're upset.
My advice is; deal.
-AC
Oh, please. Do you think my reply to Violent2Dope was hostile backlash? It sounded to me like he was saying "metal isn't very diverse", but that's just the internet. Communcation mishaps on the web is commonplace and can lead to misunderstandings as it did here. If V2D was taking my quote literally as well, then I apologize. And I wasn't getting "upset" because you tried to prove me wrong. It's simply because you put so much effort into these little things.
You see everything as a chance for a debate. And, having my pride, I naturally have to engage. And thanks to you, we end up going on these heated, extensive debates that spam several pages, simply because you couldn't say "I disagree." And have at least a friendly debate. No. Instead, you write an entire essay on why I'm wrong and why I'm a retard and attack me personally, simply because we have different views on ****ING MUSICAL GENRES.