I knew it. I actually sensed the inability to admit when you have been proven flat out wrong.
Either way, stealing credit that doesn't belong to you is stealing, and I have seen metal take credit that's not its own. As I'm sure many have. If you haven't you're either lying or you're not as into the metal scene as you claim. It happens ESPECIALLY on metal forums.
What, just because I'm not a raging elitist, I'm not into metal or lying? No, I haven't seen any band take credit for something that was not theirs and nor have I seen any discussions about it from fans. If I had, I too would have told them that they were misinformed. It would be great to see an example, still, because if you're so sure that this is rampant in the metal community, you must have at least one example of it happening.
Ultimately I take your word for it. It stinks like a rotting fish, though.
Well, I'm sorry you feel that way, but I'm being entirely honest. I think you really do enjoy debating with people for the sake of it. It boosts your ego. You don't care if I was joking or not, you just want to believe that I was hand hoped that I put up a good fight. Too bad, I had no intention on defending something I said in good spirits.
I still see you weaselling, but out of the my word vs your word debate, I have to take your word over your own word. No matter how obvious I believe the contrary is.
Yes, even though I usually put up a debate with you and discourage musical elitism, that remark was totally in character for me. Yep, just Bardiel13 blabbering on about how metal is superior, like usual. Spare me.
Yes, and why do you think that is? Do you think that having so many genre tags is ENCOURAGING people to just listen to music for what it is? If anything it's limiting people's tastes. I suggested Opeth to a friend, they said "What are they?", I said "Metal". They said "What kind?", now if I had said anything to do with their death metal influence, he would never have listened, cos perception comes first. I just said "Listen.", he did, he loved it. He said "I'd never have tried if you'd described them as death metal.". Do you see my point?
I suppose it's like illegal downloading. I do not deny its positive sides, but I think the negative are far more overwhelming.
So how would you describe it to your friend if you were both talking over the internet and he couldn't simply "just listen"?
Do you like saying "deal" because I do? I say it when I suggest you to deal with something. Nothing I've said suggests I want to stop or erase what you and others do, I've explicitly said I accept its existence. So saying "deal" is irrelevant.
Actually, you keep insisting that you're dealing with the existance of subgenres, yet that does not seem to be the case. I could say we think alike, but that would not make it true, no matter how many times I repeated it.
What's the point of "funeral doom metal" as a tag? If you said that to your average joe, they'd have no f*cking clue what you're on about. You'd have to explain why "funeral" is there, that'd probably turn them away, then doom. As if metal doesn't have enough of a stigma as it is.
So in that case, you are doing what you claim I am. Being way too specific to people who would know these things.
Actually, I've described doom metal to people many times before. Most of them are intrigued and say something like "Wow, that must be heavy." But I assure them, "Actually, the name is kind of misleading. Doom metal is actually a lot like 70's rock, but heavier. Depending on what it's mixed with, harsh vocals are actually uncommon." If someone has a closed mind and turns away from a genre of music based on name, their loss.
Yeah, for the same reason Bush is still fighting in Iraq.
I thought the war was over insurgency or oil, maybe both. I never thought Bush was having a debate about metal genres, too! Wow, you've opened my eyes to the political world.
I have, many times. Here:
"What's the point of 'funeral doom metal' as a tag? If you said that to your average joe, they'd have no f*cking clue what you're on about. You'd have to explain why 'funeral' is there, that'd probably turn them away, then 'doom'. As if metal doesn't have enough of a stigma as it is.
So in that case, you are doing what you claim I am. Being way too specific to people who would know these things.".
To be honest, I haven't much experience with funeral doom metal, so it could be frivilous and stupid like so many are. But from the one song I have heard that's been labeled funeral doom, it really sets the mood. Calling it funeral doom metal, actually sounds plausable.
Do anything besides taking it as if someone's just told you your grandmother died. It's entirely needless.
I didn't take it like that. You like to imagine me sniffling, voice cracking "Hey, man... That's mean!" When, really I'm curious, "What's your beef, pal?" Like I said, you're biased and you like to see me in whatever context makes you feel like you're winning.
I don't have hostility toward metal. If you believe that, you've never read my posts.
I didn't say you did. But many others do for other genres. I like to pick at their brains and see why they are offended so by simple sound. You accused metal of "stealing" from other genres. This concept was new to me, so naturally, I was curious.
No, you misrepresented yourself, intentionally.
And why would I do that? So I could secretly get away with sneaking in my closeted metal elitism and claim I was joking if someone caught me? 🙄