Metal

Started by Bardiel137 pages

Then if you're aware why are you denying it? If you aren't yet to meet the people doing it, doesn't actually mean they don't exist, they do. If you know it's possible and that it happens, then what was the point of your previous claim? You've never seen it happen, ok, great, so? I've never seen a wild boar kill a man, I know it can/does happen.

I never denied it. I simply said I think you're overreacting. From my experience, I haven't seen much of it, but to deny that there are people who think that way is unrealistic. Like I said. If I ever meet someone who thinks that way in the future, I would tell them that they are misinformed.

My point is, as I've said many times (You aren't very quick, are you?), replying purely out of pride them blaming me for you "having" to reply, despite having nothing to say, is stupid. You HAVE said that regardless, you feel obligated to reply when I do.

Pride is only a part of it. I reply the same reason you are. I don't respond kindly to stupidity. And from our points of view, we are stupid to one another.

Metal elitism.

And how am I a metal elitist? What characteristics have I shown that would cause me to be labeled as a metal elitist? I have asked these quiestions several times and you are yet to respond. I'll have you know that metal is not the only music I listen to. I enjoy the Electric Six, various punk bands, medieval folk, among others. If I were an elitist, wouldn't I be blasting all of these for not being trve kvlt?

You're calling it vague, that's not what it is. It's just a general, yet honest suggestion. You wish to step over the line and go toward "Yes, this is exactly what it means and sounds like.", I prefer to let the listener decide what they think it is. Genre taggers will tag regardless, I never have and never will.

YOU are over-specific.

What's to argue? Exactly, what problem do you have? All I'm doing is pointing out why I believe what you do is stupid, not saying "STOP IT!".

I'm not over specific. I'm just not as anal about it as you are. I can see where you are coming from. However, I'm not going to stop using the term "folk metal", just because you think it's stupid.

Discussion forum, it suggests nothing more than I have views I like to express and there are views I like to hear. Many use genre tags for a different reason, it's curiousity. I had the same discussion with Deathblow before.

Sure, it's a discussion forum. You can enter any conversation you'd like. That doesn't mean people are going to take kindly to people acting pissy over stupid things.

You are interpreting it as care. I don't walk around the street debating with people, this is a music discussion forum and this is a thread where we are debating genres and genre tags. What's the problem?

The extreme hypocricy is that it's people like you who really do care too much. I don't care enough to call something "funeral doom metal", that plus it being stupid.

I've never used the term funeral doom metal to describe music to someone. I don't try to be over-specific. I'm just not going to get in a hissy fit when someone else decides to use it.

A lemon. Sour, bitter etc.

Rich.

And I think it's stupid for you to assume I'm getting worked up about it, also hypocritical considering you're a major advocate of "It's not easy to communicate through text!".

It's a discussion here, in this thread. Nothing personal to ME.

It's not easy to communicate through text. You've proven it. I see you posting several essays on why specific genres are stupid, when no one else seems to care, but you're saying I'm interpreting you wrong. So how am I a hypocrite, again?

Which is what I said...

So you agree that funeral doom metal, stupid tag or not, at least has the music atmosphere of such an event? Just checking.

I'm not trying to stop people doing so, but it's called freedom of speech.

By explaining to people why you think gene tags are stupid, then getting into an argument when they disagree means that you are actively persuading them to change their views. Yes, you are trying to stop people from doing so. Freedom of speech has nothing to do with it.

If you feel you're a moron, go for it. I'm not, but thanks.

I didn't spend my time, money and love on music, learning and researching so I can say "Hey, we're all equal.". That's not the point of having a brain. There are many who know more, but there are many who know less, it's the way of the world.

And yet you try to convince people that your opinion is fact. Additionally, this post proves that your ego is a major factor in this debate.

I'll go grab the quote afte I post this.

Super, go for it. I can imagine what quote you have in mind, anyway. Like I said, you misinterpreted my enthausiasm for elitism.

Based on your recent posts? So, we're supposed to take your word for it that you were joking...and therefore assume it's obvious you were? That's rather silly. Your initial quote and reply to whoever it was did not suggest jocular conversation, especially given your attitude toward metal on this forum.

You are viewed as a silly metal elitist, I believe Nellinator even said so. So yes, I'd say it would be in character. That said, I have to take your word you were joking.

Alright, then.

Though my point is proven here as you simply cannot resist finding ANY reason to reply to me.

Simply put, being stereotyped as an elitist, just because I like metal, pisses me off. 😛

That doesn't qualify as miscommunication.

miscommunication

SYLLABICATION: mis·com·mu·ni·ca·tion
PRONUNCIATION: msk-myn-kshn
NOUN: 1. Lack of clear or adequate communication. 2. An unclear or inadequate communication.

Due to being limited to text, my intended interpretation was miscommunicated and let to misinterpretation.

I'll grab the quotes.

If you want me to refresh your memory of my explanations, go right ahead.

Followed by someone saying they disagree and you challenging them to prove it.

Not until I said something did you come out and say it was over-enthusiasm, THEN humour.

Like I said, I'm taking your word for it, but to say "LOOK! THAT'S CLEARLY A JOKE!" is silly.

I didn't say it was clearly a joke. I'm saying it was misrepresented since my tone of voice cannot be heard through text.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
I never denied it. I simply said I think you're overreacting. From my experience, I haven't seen much of it, but to deny that there are people who think that way is unrealistic. Like I said. If I ever meet someone who thinks that way in the future, I would tell them that they are misinformed.

So the purpose of "Give me an example? I've NEVER seen it." was...? Not only did you request I go about providing examples that you knew existed, but you lied so I would do so. Luckily to spare my time, I knew better, and called you on your naivety first, but all the same, what exactly is your method here?

You seem to enjoy saying things you neither mean nor believe, then anchor yourself to the person who, through no fault of their own, didn't get what you truly meant, and say "It was OUR fault, WE miscommunicated.".

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Pride is only a part of it. I reply the same reason you are. I don't respond kindly to stupidity. And from our points of view, we are stupid to one another.

I don't know you, I'm not saying YOU are stupid, I'm saying I think what you do regarding music genres is stupid.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
And how am I a metal elitist? What characteristics have I shown that would cause me to be labeled as a metal elitist? I have asked these quiestions several times and you are yet to respond. I'll have you know that metal is not the only music I listen to. I enjoy the Electric Six, various punk bands, medieval folk, among others. If I were an elitist, wouldn't I be blasting all of these for not being trve kvlt?

Listening to other bands does not mean you aren't an elitist, and thinking about it, perhaps metal nazi would be more appropriate, not "metal elitist.".

Originally posted by Bardiel13
I'm not over specific. I'm just not as anal about it as you are. I can see where you are coming from. However, I'm not going to stop using the term "folk metal", just because you think it's stupid.[

Stop saying "I'm not gonna stop!", I'm not asking you to.

You are over-specific, in my opinion and I have given you many examples as to how and why it can go wrong.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Sure, it's a discussion forum. You can enter any conversation you'd like. That doesn't mean people are going to take kindly to people acting pissy over stupid things.

Like I said, I have the EXACT same conversation with Deathblow, he didn't reply as pissy as you because he doesn't have a bond to metal that overrides logic and reason. I said the exact same things to him that I'm saying to you. So it's obviously not in my presentation, just your reaction.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
I've never used the term funeral doom metal to describe music to someone. I don't try to be over-specific. I'm just not going to get in a hissy fit when someone else decides to use it.

And neither am I, but you seem to like insisting that I am, then trying to say, in your OWN favour, that I shouldn't make assumptions based on text.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Rich.

N-no, what I said was fine.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
It's not easy to communicate through text. You've proven it. I see you posting several essays on why specific genres are stupid, when no one else seems to care, but you're saying I'm interpreting you wrong. So how am I a hypocrite, again?

Because you are assuming the mood I'm in while posting, continuing to insinuate I am throwing a fit over it, I'm not.

I don't care if people care.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
So you agree that funeral doom metal, stupid tag or not, at least has the music atmosphere of such an event? Just checking.

Huh? This is why I said it's a needless tag: "What mood? 'I feel like I'm at a funeral, listening to doom metal.'? Do you realise how utterly dumb that is? That is the worst pigeonholing ever.". You don't give MUSIC a separate genre cos of how it makes YOU feel, otherwise rock would be called a billion things. You replied in agreement, then said "But it reminds me of the mood, it doesn't have anything to do with funerals.", which IS what I said, to which you reply "So you agree?".

What? No. I'm saying whether it does or not is no reason to include it in the genre title for these reasons:

A) What it reminds you of is subjective, not inherent to the music and not written with funerals in mind.

B) You do not name genres after personal feelings.

No, I'm saying that's the only reason people label it such.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
By explaining to people why you think gene tags are stupid, then getting into an argument when they disagree means that you are actively persuading them to change their views. Yes, you are trying to stop people from doing so. Freedom of speech has nothing to do with it.

Wait, how do you get to decide what I mean, what my intent is and have the additional nerve to criticise me for saying you are lying about your "jokey" claim? What a disgusting hypocrite.

No, I'm not trying to get people to stop using it, I'm explaining my view. If they stop as a result, up to them. I'm not trying to make them do so, that is a fact because it is my word about ME and my intentions.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
And yet you try to convince people that your opinion is fact. Additionally, this post proves that your ego is a major factor in this debate.

I've never, ever tried to convince anyone that my opinion is fact because opinion is not fact, and now you are so desperately clutching at straws that it's hilarious. Suggesting I have a more credible OPINION does not mean I believe it to be fact.

It's not ego, it's true. There are people who have inferior and superior knowledge to every one person, so why should I pretend everyone's opinion is as credible as mine? If the debate in question IS indeed opinion based, I'm not wrong or right and neither are you, but that does not mean our opinions and perception of music are equally credible.

Do a bit of research.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Super, go for it. I can imagine what quote you have in mind, anyway. Like I said, you misinterpreted my enthausiasm for elitism.

Oh, so now I don't get to decide what you meant, but you get to tell me what I'm trying to do? Very peculiar.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Alright, then.

So now take and accept my word that I am not trying to stop people using whatever tags they wish, since that's a fact.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Simply put, being stereotyped as an elitist, just because I like metal, pisses me off. 😛

Then maybe consider this before you pretend to be one with your over-enthusiasm.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Due to being limited to text, my intended interpretation was miscommunicated and let to misinterpretation.

mis·rep·re·sent

1. to represent incorrectly, improperly, or falsely.

Sorry, wrong. You represented yourself and your opinion falsely, intentionally false at that.

It was misrepresentation.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
I didn't say it was clearly a joke. I'm saying it was misrepresented since my tone of voice cannot be heard through text.

Exactly, so don't pin the confusion on me. You purposefully made a claim to yourself and I took it as such.

-AC

Screw it, these posts are getting so long and split-up it's stupid. Let's stick with the main topic, shall we?
Wait... what was it, again? 😕

For future reference, you know my stance on genres, I know yours. If I say something to you, try not to take it so personally and we'll probably have less of these.

Topic was "Do you like metal?", if yes; what and why.

-AC

I do like Metal.

I like old Slipknot when it comes to nu metal.

Black metal and death metal? I'll listen to any band, and probably like it.

I liked grind and thrash metal.......

And I want to get into viking metal.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
For future reference, you know my stance on genres, I know yours. If I say something to you, try not to take it so personally and we'll probably have less of these.

Topic was "Do you like metal?", if yes; what and why.

-AC

As long as you don't get your panties in a bunch, whenever I go beyond "Metal", we should be fine.

Originally posted by SelphieT
I do like Metal.

I like old Slipknot when it comes to nu metal.

Black metal and death metal? I'll listen to any band, and probably like it.

I liked grind and thrash metal.......

And I want to get into viking metal.

Ah, Viking Metal... I'm in one of those. For starters, I'd reccomend some folk metal bands like Týr, Falkenbach, Ensiferum, Enslaved, and Finntroll. Good stuff.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Ah, Viking Metal... I'm in one of those. For starters, I'd reccomend some folk metal bands like Týr, Falkenbach, Ensiferum, Enslaved, and Finntroll. Good stuff.

Thanks for the recommendations, I'll check them out.

My favorite metal band at the moment is Dethklok, no questions asked.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
As long as you don't get your panties in a bunch, whenever I go beyond "Metal", we should be fine.

As long as you don't take my replies as me doing that, then we will be.

-AC

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Ah, Viking Metal... I'm in one of those. For starters, I'd reccomend some folk metal bands like Týr, Falkenbach, Ensiferum, Enslaved, and Finntroll. Good stuff.
The best example imo of Viking metal (which is really just folk metal) is mid-period Bathory. They are the first and the best. Hammerheart is a classic in the genre.

im not a metal fan but i dont mind some metallica when im in the mood.

Originally posted by pcp
I used to like metal when I was about 13. It's no coincidence that the kid I know who can't do the alphabet listens to metal, the kid I know who dropped out of college twice in 2 years listens to metal and the 18 year old I know who hangs out with 14 year olds and who pissed himself in school lessons listened to metal.

I gave up on metal long ago in favour of proper music.

You're an idiot.

Originally posted by Lord Shaper
You're an idiot.

We've already explained that to him. If you want to contribute your own opinion on the genre, feel free.

Anyone listen to Job For A Cowboy?

Yah. I don't like them.

Originally posted by zjtrivium
Anyone listen to Job For A Cowboy?

Heard they are cool, but then again, never heard them.

I like most metal. A lot of this newer Anerican stuff though, it's just lacking, in my opinion.

Viking metal kicks ass, as a side note. I was lucky enough to see Finntroll live.

Originally posted by eggmayo
I like most metal. A lot of this newer Anerican stuff though, it's just lacking, in my [b]opinion.

Viking metal kicks ass, as a side note. I was lucky enough to see Finntroll live. [/B]

Oh, I know exactly what you mean. This whole Nu-Metal... just not my thing. It's terrible here in the states.

Nu-metal is not a legitimate genre. If it were you could define it. You can't, therefore it's blanket term for stuff people can't define and thus lump many bands in it that are nothing alike.

I'm currently in a black/viking metal band, if anyone wants to check us out.

www.myspace.com/kcstonehaven

I'm not really expecting a warm response, however, but it's always nice for us to throw our name out.