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Originally posted by Mr Master
This is kind of amusing, you telling me I don't understand yet I posted evidence of Marvel's Omniverse, On Panel (in MANY Marvel titles) and in the Official Marvel Bio while back you brought a Wiki link to dispute that.

I don't think you understand, (Marvel can do anything they want with their company)

Marvel has had an Omniverse since 1983, which was first explained in Marvel Superheroes #377.

The Omniverse was not part of the Mainstream Marvel Universe continuity at the time but it still existed under Marvel published books.

Again, you're taking what Marvel is saying. I'll repeat to you again..that Marvel isn't an authority on the theory of the Omniverse. Wiki on the other hand is implying a more accurate definition of the word. Which is why I continue to tell you that if you understand or not?

Marvel CAN claim anything they want. That doesn't mean they're right. To claim they have an Omniverse it's a blatant contraction.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But there isn't "two" Omniverses, the Official Marvel Bio of 2006 concerning the Omniverse, clearly says there is ONE Omniverse only.

ALL the Universes, Multiverses and Megaverses in Marvel make up the Marvel Omniverse.

If DC or any other company has an Omniverse, that's on them.

All I know is that Marvel has it's own Omniverse for sure, MOST forum members that deal with the Cosmics Know this.

Exactly! Right there where I quoted you on red is exactly the point. Logically there cannot be TWO Omniverses. Now, bare with me...if Marvel claims that there aren't two Omniverses and they fully understand the definition of the of the word. Then by all means they can't say they have it. Instead they're just part of ONE single Omniverse in all Comics. Which makes them a Multiverse.

For years DC Comics states that they have Multiverses not Ominverses. Because there isn't such a thing as Omniverses. Marvel on the hand is clearly stating that by having an Omniverse... implies they don't know what they're doing or writing or don't even know what an Omniverse means.

Originally posted by Mr Master

I don't know anything about DC's "Omniverse" or even if they have one.

I know they have a place called Hypertime, it's like an Omniverse I guess.

How can Marvel publish facts that are false about they're own Cosmology?

What you're essentially saying is,

you don't like the FACT, that Marvel has it's own Omniverse, so Marvel has been publishing False On Panel evidence of an Omniverse, and all the Official Bios are full of it too.

Because there isn't a DC Omniverse. There isn't a Marvel Omniverse. There isn't a Image Omniverse. Understand they're Multiverses of a single Omniverse.

I don't like the fact that Marvel is inproperly using the Theory of a Omniverse. That's what I don't like.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Or should I take your unsupprted opinion instead?

All you have to do is reference me to the issues where it's stated that the Marvel Omniverse is a Marvel Cosmic joke that has been getting pulled for over 2 decades. (then I'll take your word)

but if all you have is Wiki ... ❌

Hold on, I gave you Wiki as independent source. All you giving here is what Marvel says.

That is incredible bias. Do you have ANY other source outside of Marvel Comics that can prove your debate?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Sorry friend,

no way will I ever take yours or anyone else's word over what Marvel has Officially established On Panel and in Bios about their company.

Don't take it....don't accept what I'm saying. But if you think you're right as far as what an Omniverse is...then you're wrong. Sorry, that's how it works. If you trully understand the definition of the word. You wouldn't be debating.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Hold on, I gave you Wiki as independent source. All you giving here is what Marvel says.

Atleast Marvel is a Comic Book company, .... Wiki?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
That is incredible bias.

"Bias?"

I'm not trying to tell you what Omniverse means to the scientific community, or DC or anything else,

I was stating what the Omniverse is according to Marvel in Marvel related Comic Books.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Do you have ANY other source outside of Marvel Comics that can prove your debate? .

Do you have ANY Comic related credible sources of ANY kind that disproves what I'm saying about Marvel?

Look my whole point was not to influence your personal understanding of the Omniverse or any "Verse" for that matter.

I was simply clearing the MISCONCEPTION that other Comic Book Companies share the Marvel Omniverse. (that's all)

If every other Comic Book Company is One part of an Omniverse, that's fine.

But MARVEL, has it's own independent Omniverse = all "Verses" in Marvel, and this has absolutely Nothing to do with other Companies.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Atleast Marvel is a Comic Book company, .... Wiki?

"Bias?"

I'm not trying to tell you what Omniverse means to the scientific community, or DC or anything else,

I was stating what the Omniverse is according to Marvel in Marvel related Comic Books.

Do you have ANY Comic related credible sources of ANY kind that disproves what I'm saying about Marvel?

Look my whole point was not to influence your personal understanding of the Omniverse or any "Verse" for that matter.

I was simply clearing the MISCONCEPTION that other Comic Book Companies share the Marvel Omniverse. (that's all)

If every other Comic Book Company is One part of an Omniverse, that's fine.

But MARVEL, has it's own independent Omniverse = all "Verses" in Marvel, and this has absolutely Nothing to do with other Companies.

You simply don't get what Wrathful Dwarf is saying. It doen't require sources he has logic on his side. Others have noticed what he is trying to say previously. It can't have it's own Omniverse as that would be all encompassing.

Some in this thread kind of argue it as well.

www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=421509

Marvel uses its own definition of an Omniverse.

It is the Omniverse of Marvel. Therefore it encompasses all of MARVEL.

Of course it is not an Omniverse in the traditional sense but Omniverse is still the word that Marvel comics uses to descibe the sum total of every Marvel multiverse.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Marvel uses its own definition of an Omniverse.

It is the Omniverse of Marvel. Therefore it encompasses all of MARVEL.

Of course it is not an Omniverse in the traditional sense but Omniverse is still the word that Marvel comics uses to descibe the sum total of every Marvel multiverse.

As Wrathful Dwarf is trying to explain that's fine but it doesn't make the Marvel "Omniverse" a true "Omniverse" or bigger than the DC multiverse. Which existed even after Crisis in a publication sense as we had Wildstorm cross overs.

WD's logic is perfect on this, one no silly out of context scans can argue with. If you understand what an Omniverse is, WD is right MM is wrong. It's that simple.

Originally posted by The Libertine
As Wrathful Dwarf is trying to explain that's fine but it doesn't make the Marvel "Omniverse" a true "Omniverse" or bigger than the DC multiverse. Which existed even after Crisis in a publication sense as we had Wildstorm cross overs.

WD's logic is perfect one no silly out of context scans can argue with.

The word Marvel uses is Omniverse. So the entirety of Marvel is properly refered to as an Omniverse.

Using actual defintion of Omniverse Marvel does not have one.

The problem is not Digi's logic it's Marvel's redefinition of Omniverse for thier purposes.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The problem is not Digi's logic it's Marvel's redefinition of Omniverse for thier purposes.

What's wrong with my logic?!

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...anyway, I think you meant WD.

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Originally posted by DigiMark007
What's wrong with my logic?!

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...anyway, I think you meant WD.

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😮 Sorry. (all you mods look the same to me 😂 )

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The word Marvel uses is Omniverse. So the entirety of Marvel is properly refered to as an Omniverse.

Using actual defintion of Omniverse Marvel does not have one.

The problem is not Digi's logic it's Marvel's redefinition of Omniverse for thier purposes.

Which WD is not arguing. He is stating when fans use this wrong definition like Mr Master to try and say all other comics Universes are in this "Ominiverse" of Marvel (which is not an Omniverse at all) They are wrong. WD is right it's that simple.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
What's wrong with my logic?!

Nothing i'm sure 😖hifty: How long have you got?

Originally posted by The Libertine
He is stating when fans use this wrong definition like Mr Master to try and say all other comics Universes are in this "Ominiverse" of Marvel

When did MM say everyother comic Universe is in Marvel's Omni/Uni/Multi/Polyverse?

Originally posted by The Libertine
Which WD is not arguing. He is stating when fans use this wrong definition like Mr Master to try and say all other comics Universes are in this "Ominiverse" of Marvel (which is not an Omniverse at all) They are wrong. WD is right it's that simple.

Um... didn't Mr. Master say that he was trying to disprove the misconception that Marvel's omniverse encompasses the multiverses of other companies?

"But MARVEL, has it's own independent Omniverse = all "Verses" in Marvel, and this has absolutely Nothing to do with other Companies." That's what he said just 10 posts above this one.

Originally posted by Ize19
Um... didn't Mr. Master say that he was trying to disprove the misconception that Marvel's omniverse encompasses the multiverses of other companies?

"But MARVEL, has it's own independent Omniverse = all "Verses" in Marvel, and this has absolutely Nothing to do with other Companies." That's what he said just 10 posts above this one.

Well the one who propagated the idea it might have was him. As WD stated Omniverse means it would encompass everything. So if it doesn't as he says it's not an Omniverse. Marvel are using the word wrong as already established. Ize 19 you have a very low thread count form September! Only 26 posts! Are you Whirly!

Originally posted by The Libertine
Well the one who propagated the idea it might have was him. As WD stated Omniverse means it would encompass everything. So if it doesn't as he says it's not an Omniverse. Marvel are using the word wrong as already established. Ize 19 you have a very low thread count form September! Only 26 posts! Are you Whirly!

Nah, I just tend to read more than I post, that's all.

Originally posted by Ize19
Nah, I just tend to read more than I post, that's all.

That's cool.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I challenge you to prove me wrong friend.

I challenge you to find any Marvel Comic Book that disputes what I'm saying.

I challenge you to find any Official Marvel Bio that disagrees with me.

Don't just put down my efforts cause you're clueless about the Marvel Cosmology.

Please, I want you to shut me down, make me feel stupid with PROOF!

NOT with baseless TALK, but with On Panel illustrations depicted in Marvel Comics.

If you can't post scans, tell me the relevant issues that prove I'm talking out of my ass, and I'll post the scans for you, that way we can all see you're right and I'm wrong.

We'll also realize how "silly" my thread is. 😉

Wow. That should cement it that it's Whirly.

Seriously, the inability to handle truth, the lack of maturity, the constant use of the 🙂 smilie, and now flaming Mr. Master because he disagrees with Galactic Storm.

Do we need anymore proof?

Anyway, seems that Mr. Master has it down pat.

For the Record,

in MARVEL and MARVEL alone, the Cosmology ...

Ok ready ...

Once upon a time

there was a Universe

(This is called Eternity)

Eternity was born as one Infinite Universe, and then became an Infinite number of Universes

"and where ONE Eternity would ensure a Boundless Universe, a MULTI-Eternity would ensure a Boundless MULTI-verse"

(This is called Multi-Eternity)

A collection of Multi-Eternitys or Multiverses is a Megaverse

"Two SIBLINGS whom the Tribunal has a place for in HIS great scheme of things"

"the REALMS with a Multiverse" (excerpt from the OHOTMU 2006)

"Within the Omniverse, collections of associated REALMS from different Multiverses are referred to as Megaverses"

(excerpt from the OHOTMU 2006)

"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the BROTHERS, each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse, within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse"

(this is called the Brothers - POST Retcon)

Finally we have the Omniverse (There it is ON PANEL)

ALL the UNI/MULTIverses in Marvel


Merlyn and Roma are the Guardians of the Marvel Omni-verse

"from this venue, the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"

This is just to stomp out the misconception that Marvel's Omniverse is related to any other Comic Book company.

A little more: Tonight I'll try to clear up some Hulk misconceptions.

Like I said before, Mr. Master has this on lock. Nice job, man.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Wow. That should cement it that it's Whirly.

Seriously, the inability to handle truth, the lack of maturity, the constant use of the 🙂 smilie, and now flaming Mr. Master because he disagrees with Galactic Storm.

Do we need anymore proof?

Anyway, seems that Mr. Master has it down pat.

No one has flamed Mr Master I have agreed with a mod about the "term" Omniverse. Omniverse has to be all encompassing which the Marvel "Multiverse" is not. Also you didn't understand what was posted about retogressive alteration, that's cool, education will help you. It's cool you have a hard on for this Whirly as well I suspect his laughing his head off. Is that why all those people were calling you Marcus junior. Oh I forgot Marcus had trouble with hardons according to lots of other members in a thread I read, I don't know him so I can't comment. Like Whirly he was banned long before you or I joined, or so you say.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
A little more: Tonight I'll try to clear up some Hulk misconceptions.

Like I said before, Mr. Master has this on lock. Nice job, man.

WD is right, Mr Master is wrong it's that simple.

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Originally posted by The Libertine
WD is right, Mr Master is wrong it's that simple.

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Actually both of them are right.

The problem lies in Marvel's egotism.

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