Forum Misconceptions

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Surviving re-entry and crashing onto a planet?

I dunno...it's not much worse than what SM put him through.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I've also heard the "absorb the gas station" argument before. The heat, perhaps, but the explosion itself would have created an immense amount of cuncussive force. It's more like a bomb with some heat flames attached to it, rather than, say, a big flame thrower.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Surfer can travel faster, obviously. But travel speed and reaction time are very different things. When has Surfer ever displayed the kind of reactions needed for, say, catching those 100 knives all at once? That's a Flash-type feat...not a herald feat.

Hell, Spidey has dodged concentrated blasts from Surfer, as well as many others who are in a similar class as him (FL, Thor, etc.)

Also, Spidey dodging Surfer's blasts (then gets hit by tons of streetlevels...), has more to do with:

That if he gets hit, he is out of comics.

Originally posted by bigbran
I think you missed the part when Surfer goes head-on into meteor storms at over lightspeed and dodges them all...

Also, Spidey dodging Surfer's blasts (then gets hit by tons of streetlevels...), has more to do with:

That if he gets hit, he is out of comics.

I still say that's travel speed, not just reaction time. It'd be like maneuvering a car through a forest as opposed to maybe catching ping pong balls in rapid successsion. Both are impressive, but they're different skills. Surfer doesn't have the same H2H speed as Spidey. Speedblitz could still work obviously, but I honestly think Surfer would be worse at doing something like dodging gunfire than Spidey if they were trapped inside an adamantium dome or somesuch.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I still say that's travel speed, not just reaction time. It'd be like maneuvering a car through a forest as opposed to maybe catching ping pong balls in rapid successsion. Both are impressive, but they're different skills. Surfer doesn't have the same H2H speed as Spidey. Speedblitz could still work obviously, but I honestly think Surfer would be worse at doing something like dodging gunfire than Spidey.

Let's say that they make a straight line, and it is about 25 feet wide.
The car is coming at the buses, and the buses are coming at the car.

Dodge every bus...

Surfer does that every day, and he has to react to them.

He also has dem nano second reflexes...

Surfer also wouldn't have to dodge gunfire... but he does dodge laser fire...

*murble*

I will agree to disagree with you, good sir. Or at least to walk away when it seems like I could be wrong.

😮

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...spider-sense ftw. 😛

Originally posted by Jyppe
That every new member is a sock of Whirly's 🙄

Agreed 🙂

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Did anyone ever think I was a sock of Whirly when I came?

😖hifty: Aren't you one?

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Worng? Never heard of that one.

Son, I think you are going off of third party information that you don't know crap about. You're just having a hard time dealing with the truth.

Son, I'm amused you don't understand things can be altered retrogressively. I also suspect i've been reading comics for decades before your birth. For example the beating Darkseid got from Doomsday takes pace on page 34 onwards, Book 1 Hunter/Prey in the original first edition. DS has buried DD under a pile of rocks and turned his back on him thinking him beaten. "Impossible" DS says trying to turn as DD blindsides him Ds cannot react in time and takes a beating. Desaad calls Supes who arrives. However you fail to metion the blindsiding etc. in your account. Now the fact it wasn't Desaad does not mean it wasn't one of DS avatars. As we don't know if it was or not. We do have DS word that he was using them at this time later in Adventures of Superman. Around issue 645 if memory serves me correctly, it may no on that for the exact issue.

Anyway son, I notice you used the page numbers from the collected edition of Hunter/Prey in your scans indicating to me you don't have original first editions probably because these were thirteen years ago and you were still at primary school. Glad I cleared that up youngster. It's nice to see you youngsters picking up older comics even average stories like H/P in collected editions. Although it's not a story I would ever bother rereading as it is very mediocre.

Anyways lot's of people agree with me 🙂 On this and other more adult boards junior. Marvel bias is a kind of fanboyism kiddo.

As for never hearing of the hype, it's about 10 places ahead of this one on the bigboards directory youngun.

Originally posted by Magee
I love how he accepts Spider-man beating firelord yet Superman holding his own with darkseid and hurting him must mean DS has been depowered. And the fact most of his appearances have been retconed as avatars still doesn't sway him.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Am I the only one who thinks Beta Ray Howard was reaching abit to try and disprove Draco's assertation that DS has using avatars since the 80s?

Originally posted by manorastroman
beta ray, if you're going to adopt the irritating masterstorm mode of calling everyone who disagrees with you "son" "kiddo" "junior" etc, you better get a hell of a lot more evidence on your side.

Originally posted by grey fox

I mean he wasn't affected by the company wide-retcon that was COIE , yet he's suddenly getting his ass kicked by weakened Supes ?

It's either clones or CHEEEEEEAP writing.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Sorry, but Marvel isn't the authority on the Theory of an Omniverse. All your doing is taking their word. Simply put...Marvel is wrong (wow, the shock!) All you do is post images as to what Marvel says. It doesn't work like that...here is a link in which it states differently:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28Marvel_Comics%29#Omniverse

Marvel does not have an Omniverse...It's simply just another Multiverse of Comics. There is only one Omniverse in fiction and is the sum of all other Multiverses. We're not fictional characters. Comics on the other hand are..sorry..things don't generate out of Marvel Comics.

Simple.

Excellent post something I have seen argued by at least one other on these pages 😖hifty: and so obviously true.

It's kind of unfair pitting the spider sense against the power cosmic. Different weight classes. We could say Firelord was ungodly jobbed and underpowered, or we could say he sucks. There's a reason why people have the term SM/FL. It's not quite as bad as say, squirrel girl, but it can still be called PIS.

As for the DS avatar debate, it's kind of obvious it was an avatar. For one thing, the pages Howard showed to dispute that made no sense from his point of view. But taken to mean that DS has, and is, using avatars, they make far more sense.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
As for the DS avatar debate, it's kind of obvious it was an avatar. For one thing, the pages Howard showed to dispute that made no sense from his point of view. But taken to mean that DS has, and is, using avatars, they make far more sense.

No it doesn't! Now you're just doing it because what you thought was correct isn't.

Read your own post:

"It's kind of obvious it was an avatar."

How is it obvious? Oh, wait, it's not. There's no mention of an avatar in the battle, and no mention of it afterwards.

Obvious = No.

"Made no sense from his point of view."

It makes plenty of sense to me. I've been reading comics for over ten odd years, and I understand retcons very well. I also know how to read, and since there is no reference to an avatar on that page, or any other after it, the only conclusion you can come to = no avatar.

"DS is using avatars makes more sense."

If you're a fanboy of the New Gods and don't want to admit that DC doesn't give a shit about that character, then sure! However, company politics suck. They wanted a DCU villain, and got lazy.

Don't you dare call me a liar again just because you can't back up an opinion you latched on to because someone made a character out to be more than they are.

Originally posted by The Libertine
Son, I'm amused you don't understand things can be altered retrogressively. I also suspect i've been reading comics for decades before your birth. For example the beating Darkseid got from Doomsday takes pace on page 34 onwards, Book 1 Hunter/Prey in the original first edition. DS has buried DD under a pile of rocks and turned his back on him thinking him beaten. "Impossible" DS says trying to turn as DD blindsides him Ds cannot react in time and takes a beating. Desaad calls Supes who arrives. However you fail to metion the blindsiding etc. in your account. Now the fact it wasn't Desaad does not mean it wasn't one of DS avatars.

Let's see here. First you were saying "It was an Avatar!" Now you're saying "oh, we don't know."

You're position is faltering because you can't back up your claims. Just admit you've lost.

It wasn't an avatar. There's no mention of an avatar. Any possibility of it being an avatar was retconned previously.

Originally posted by The Libertine
[B] As we don't know if it was or not. We do have DS word that he was using them at this time later in Adventures of Superman. Around issue 645 if memory serves me correctly, it may no on that for the exact issue.

Hunter/Prey isn't mentioned as an avatar. He mentions he has used avatars in the past, but does not specifically say that Doomsday defeated an avatar.

You're guessing. Like I thought, you don't have anything conclusive.

You're still grasping at straws, and you're not improving. Nothing you've said holds water unless you have a DIRECT REFERENCE.

Originally posted by The Libertine
[B]Anyway son, I notice you used the page numbers from the collected edition of Hunter/Prey in your scans indicating to me you don't have original first editions probably because these were thirteen years ago and you were still at primary school. Glad I cleared that up youngster. It's nice to see you youngsters picking up older comics even average stories like H/P in collected editions. Although it's not a story I would ever bother rereading as it is very mediocre.

Wow. A 13 year old brit trying to act like he's old.

Nice try, but nobody buys it. You're still grasping, and your lack of ability to back up your claims shows it.

Originally posted by The Libertine
[B]Anyways lot's of people agree with me 🙂 On this and other more adult boards junior. Marvel bias is a kind of fanboyism kiddo.

Another accusation you can't back up. Now you're really grasping.

You've lost. Just admit it and get over it. Just because your delusions of being correct in this argument feed your ego doesn't mean that's reality.

Sorry, but you're grasping, still.

You have no conclusive evidence. At all. Never did in the first place. You even conceded in the thread saying "Oh, well Doomsday can't be beat anyway."

You're beat like a dog. Give it up.

Originally posted by The Libertine
[B]As for never hearing of the hype, it's about 10 places ahead of this one on the bigboards directory youngun.

Sure, Whirly. I bet it has on the many boards you've been banned from.

Go home and lick your wounds. Remember the day that Beta Ray Howard buried your ass.

By the way, the people that agree with you, some only half-agree, and others don't know what the hell they're talking about, a la Trickster and Magee. Both could be swayed easily.

Your inability to accept the truth shows your lack of maturiy, Whirly. The smilies and attitude have revealed you.

If I'm coming off as an ass, I'm sorry. The major problem I have is that people won't look at each side of the debate. They just assume, like Trickster did. It frustrates me to no end.

Then there's guys like Whirly, or Libertine, or Flame On! or whatever you want to call him, that are literally brick walls. Like Mider with a fraggin education. They latch on to what they think is right, even though it's not, and caudle it like a lullabye.

To both of you, and any other doubters, listen to me.

I went to experts about this. I soaked in both sides, and the side I took came from logicals debators who run other comic boards and are comic experts.

This is why we have misconceptions. People don't think that powerful characters can't have low feats. Well, it's the decision of the companies, not us.

What I think needs to happen is we need to accept what's on the page for what it is, because discarding information because we don't like it, and bathing it in the letters PIS takes away from the reality of the matter.

Digi, I'm beckoning you for something. Switch the debate rulings from CBR rules to something that's a bit more closer to the comic. If I can, can we discuss this over PM?

First off, I did listen to your case. You presented it well. I just happen to disagree with your interpretation. It's not that I didn't consider it, I just found it wanting in my estimation.

2nd, co-sign on the fanboys. Except for Libertine, I don't think he's quite that bad, at least, not yet.

Finally, as to your idea, I disagree. It's one thing for a character to have low feats, it's another for them to lose because of something that contradicts everything about their character. Like Logan stabbing Thanos w/e the IG. Good god, if that's not PIS, then what is? Or Namor chasing Apoc away with a table? Or the massive jobbing and PIS Apoc has received? Or SM/FL? Or any time Dr. Strange loses to someone under Thanos-level? Or Squirrel Girl? 😛

You see what I'm getting at. There are some things meant as gag panels and not to be used in serious debate.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
First off, I did listen to your case. You presented it well. I just happen to disagree with your interpretation. It's not that I didn't consider it, I just found it wanting in my estimation.

2nd, co-sign on the fanboys. Except for Libertine, I don't think he's quite that bad, at least, not yet.

Finally, as to your idea, I disagree. It's one thing for a character to have low feats, it's another for them to lose because of something that contradicts everything about their character. Like Logan stabbing Thanos w/e the IG. Good god, if that's not PIS, then what is? Or Namor chasing Apoc away with a table? Or the massive jobbing and PIS Apoc has received? Or SM/FL? Or any time Dr. Strange loses to someone under Thanos-level? Or Squirrel Girl? 😛

You see what I'm getting at. There are some things meant as gag panels and not to be used in serious debate.

Here's the problem: We don't have the right to say what is and is not applicable to the character. Here's an example:

Hulk should not beat Thor.

Well, in Marvel's mind, it's different. They want Hulk to be established as the Strongest there is. They've done a very good job of showing him as such. He's supposed to be unstoppable and unbeatable. That's the character. That's his purpose.

For Apocalypse, he was created to be an example of how egotism can destroy a person and make them lose a battle, thus why you see him run away all the time. That's the character. He lives by "those who fight and run away live to fight another day."

When it comes to Darkseid, it was DC's decision to switch him up. I guarantee that if you got the chance to interview one of the DC Bigwigs, they'd tell you their reasoning for powering Darkseid down was to make him a DC villain, primarily for Superman.

Is doing that shitting on Jack Kirby? You bet your virgin ass it is. However, let's consider this:

If you want to separate Darkseid from his current incarnation that by all means sucks from Darkseid of a different era, just do this:

Kirby Era Darkseid, Loeb Darkseid, Byrne Darkseid, etc. That way, everybody is happy. It's like saying Virtue and Vice Despero and Death of Superman Doomsday.

The best thing to do is put your personal opinion aside. I guarantee that Beta Ray Bill will fight Hulk someday, and lose. Do I think he should lose? Hell no. But he will, and that's okay. It's not gonna kill the character for me.

If you like Darkseid, that's cool. He's complex, his character is the perfect villain, and he's very ominous. He's pretty cool. Enjoy him for that, not his fluctuating power level.

One little thing to add that seals the deal for me as it being the real Darkseid is such:
http://i80.imagethrust.com/images/3z3x/view-image/doomsdayhunterprey-1pg-33.html

"If Apokalips is to be saved, I must take a more active role"

Stupid as it is, that's the Lord of the planet.

Just as an added bit, Doomsday returned sneak attack for sneak attack:
http://i80.imagethrust.com/images/3z3x/view-image/doomsdayhunterprey-1pg-33.html

Desaad, not Darkseid, sending Doomsday away:
http://i79.imagethrust.com/images/3z3K/view-image/doomsdayhunterprey-1pg-48.html
http://i80.imagethrust.com/images/3z3L/view-image/doomsdayhunterprey-1pg-49.html

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
One little thing to add that seals the deal for me as it being the real Darkseid is such:
http://i80.imagethrust.com/images/3z3x/view-image/doomsdayhunterprey-1pg-33.html

"If Apokalips is to be saved, I must take a more active role"

Stupid as it is, that's the Lord of the planet.

Just as an added bit, Doomsday returned sneak attack for sneak attack:
http://i80.imagethrust.com/images/3z3x/view-image/doomsdayhunterprey-1pg-33.html

Desaad, not Darkseid, sending Doomsday away:
http://i79.imagethrust.com/images/3z3K/view-image/doomsdayhunterprey-1pg-48.html
http://i80.imagethrust.com/images/3z3L/view-image/doomsdayhunterprey-1pg-49.html

It's simple junior, as i said we don't know if it's an avatar or not and I said this from the start from my first or second post in the matter. What we do know is Darkseid should have been in the Force Wall at about this time. I also said from the start it would have mattered because Darkseid could not have beaten DD beyond battlefield removal son. Yes he used a ranged attack on DS first of all. Which is as you say a sneak attack, however your beat down was an attack from behind. AS I said the Avatar retcon came long after Jurgens and Breeding so you're really arguing something which as I said along with others and has been argued on numerous other boards cannot be proved. Your young age shows in your lack of understanding for this. AS you don't understand comics Universes are constantly undergoing change where later writers are not happy with what was done by earlier writers. You're looking at an event which took place at a specific time within a comics Universe and as I said as far as that event is concerned Darkseid was beaten through an attack from behind. As far as modern continuity goes it's ambiguous as to if it was Darkseid or not. It's that simple.

It's just amusing how much you're reading into something ambigous and how much you want to prove something you can't. It's all so important hence your multiple posts proving nothing except an event in time. The DS character acts like DS why does that prove he's not an avatar, surely he's "in role". Afterall he doesn't directly attack DD anyway after using the Omega beams on him to knock him down he melts the rubble over him thinking to trap him. If we wanted to argue the logic of thses actions (which is silly) How would DS expect melted debris to trap DD?

If you really were the bane of this Whirlysplat he mut have been pretty young and stupid. Because I can't imagine you being the bane of much. I will say it's some hard on you have for him though.

Waits for the multitude of posts proving nothing. It's called retrogressive editing by authors of comics and pulps junior.

You've been reading comics for 10 years, so not very long then. I have a 13 year old copy of hunter/prey in front of me now.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
If I'm coming off as an ass, I'm sorry. The major problem I have is that people won't look at each side of the debate. They just assume.

Exactly and your assumptions have made an ass of you but not really me.

So much anger and hate in your posts, so much need, all that will be ignored. Sorry youngster it just shows your age.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
One little thing to add that seals the deal for me as it being the real Darkseid is such:
http://i80.imagethrust.com/images/3z3x/view-image/doomsdayhunterprey-1pg-33.html

"If Apokalips is to be saved, I must take a more active role"

Stupid as it is, that's the Lord of the planet.

Just as an added bit, Doomsday returned sneak attack for sneak attack:
http://i80.imagethrust.com/images/3z3x/view-image/doomsdayhunterprey-1pg-33.html

Desaad, not Darkseid, sending Doomsday away:
http://i79.imagethrust.com/images/3z3K/view-image/doomsdayhunterprey-1pg-48.html
http://i80.imagethrust.com/images/3z3L/view-image/doomsdayhunterprey-1pg-49.html

It's simple junior, as i said we don't know if it's an avatar or not and I said this from the start from my first or second post in the matter. What we do know is Darkseid should have been in the Force Wall at about this time. I also said from the start it wouldn't have mattered because Darkseid could not have beaten DD beyond battlefield removal son. Yes he used a ranged attack on DD first of all. Which is as you say a sneak attack, however your beat down was an attack from behind. AS I said the Avatar retcon came long after Jurgens and Breeding so you're really arguing something which as I said along with others and has been argued on numerous other boards cannot be proved. Your young age shows in your lack of understanding for this. AS you don't understand comics Universes are constantly undergoing change where later writers are not happy with what was done by earlier writers. You're looking at an event which took place at a specific time within a comics Universe and as I said as far as that event is concerned Darkseid was beaten through an attack from behind. As far as modern continuity goes it's ambiguous as to if it was Darkseid or not. It's that simple.

It's just amusing how much you're reading into something ambigous and how much you want to prove something you can't. It's all so important hence your multiple posts proving nothing except an event in time. The DS character acts like DS why does that prove he's not an avatar, surely he's "in role". Afterall he doesn't directly attack DD anyway after using the Omega beams on him to knock him down he melts the rubble over him thinking to trap him. If we wanted to argue the logic of thses actions (which is silly) How would DS expect melted debris to trap DD?

If you really were the bane of this Whirlysplat he mut have been pretty young and stupid. Because I can't imagine you being the bane of much. I will say it's some hard on you have for him though.

Waits for the multitude of posts proving nothing. It's called retrogressive editing by authors of comics and pulps junior.

You've been reading comics for 10 years, so not very long then. I have a 13 year old copy of hunter/prey in front of me now.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
If I'm coming off as an ass, I'm sorry. The major problem I have is that people won't look at each side of the debate. They just assume, like Trickster did. It frustrates me to no end.

Exactly and your assumptions have made an ass of you but not really me. Reposted to correct an error which affected the reading of the post.

Go to some of the bigger boards son, they's laugh at your assumptions for what they are.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Concerning "Marvel's Omniverse" they are.

Concerning their comic books, I have no choice.

Again, concerning Marvel Comics, I'll take Marvel's Facts on the matter, because Marvel created it so it's a Marvel Fact.

The Omniverse has been mentioned across many Titles, On Panel and solidified in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe v5 2006.

Excalibur was a team dedicated to roaming the Marvel Omniverse.

and on and on...

Actually they do.

I believe I posted the proof from the Official Hanbook, not Wiki.

Nah friend, On Panel and in the Official Bio,

Marvel has it's own Omniverse and characters that guard and patrol the Omniverse regularly, characters that can affect the Omniverse, no way DC would allow Roma to have the authority to wipe out their Multiverse or even a single Universe in their company.

dontgetit

See, I think you don't understand or just don't want to understand. Neither Marvel nor DC can claim they have an Omniverse is an absolute contradiction in itself. There cannot be two Ominverses because that's a total contradiction of the word. Both and others are part of one and not many Ominverses.

You welcome to post as many scans as you want. You still just accepting what Marvel is saying to you. What Marvel is saying is wrong...period. Again, an Omniverse implies all multiverses in one. If Marvel claims that they do have an Omniverse is nothing but pure lack of writting and facts.

I'm glad you said "Concerning their comic books, I have no choice." No one does...that doesn't mean you have to accept everything they tell you. You have your own logic which tells you they're either wrong or they don't know what they're doing. If you want to accept it then I have a bridge to sell you.

It's simple.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
See, I think you don't understand or just don't want to understand. Neither Marvel nor DC can claim they have an Omniverse is an absolute contradiction in itself. There cannot be two Ominverses because that's a total contradiction of the word. Both and others are part of one and not many Ominverses.

You welcome to post as many scans as you want. You still just accepting what Marvel is saying to you. What Marvel is saying is wrong...period. Again, an Omniverse implies all multiverses in one. If Marvel claims that they do have an Omniverse is nothing but pure lack of writting and facts.

I'm glad you said "Concerning their comic books, I have no choice." No one does...that doesn't mean you have to accept everything they tell you. You have your own logic which tells you they're either wrong or they don't know what they're doing. If you want to accept it then I have a bridge to sell you.

It's simple.

Exactly, I love these event scans, they prove nothing but an event. How can a comic Multiverse which is really the writers Universe claim to be an all encompassing "Omniverse" it's frankly ludicrous. Which is why his thread all things cosmic is so silly.

Cosmic done right (i.e. Kirby's writing) are gorgeous to read. But when new writers want to change the laws...the whole thing goes down the tube. No suprises when they take their readers with them.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Cosmic done right (i.e. Kirby's writing) are gorgeous to read. But when new writers want to change the laws...the whole thing goes down the tube. No suprises when they take their readers with them.

I am going to agree and disagree. I agree Kirby = Beautiful, I think though sometimes change is good. I think different interpretations of time worn characters are also good. I think comics tend to reflect society and what people want. The kids in the 90's boom wanted Mcfarlane style shit and got just that. Now it's all got to be corrected as we are back to long term readers and readers who will be longterm readers in 10 or twenty years. My favourit underrated cosmic writer was Shooter. Everyone forgets big Jim the prodigy.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
See, I think you don't understand or just don't want to understand.

This is kind of amusing, you telling me I don't understand yet I posted evidence of Marvel's Omniverse, On Panel (in MANY Marvel titles) and in the Official Marvel Bio while back you brought a Wiki link to dispute that.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Neither Marvel nor DC can claim they have an Omniverse is an absolute contradiction in itself. There cannot be two Ominverses because that's a total contradiction of the word. Both and others are part of one and not many Ominverses.

I don't think you understand, (Marvel can do anything they want with their company)

Marvel has had an Omniverse since 1983, which was first explained in Marvel Superheroes #377.

The Omniverse was not part of the Mainstream Marvel Universe continuity at the time but it still existed under Marvel published books.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
here cannot be two Ominverses because that's a total contradiction of the word. Both and others are part of one and not many Ominverses.

But there isn't "two" Omniverses, the Official Marvel Bio of 2006 concerning the Omniverse, clearly says there is ONE Omniverse only.

ALL the Universes, Multiverses and Megaverses in Marvel make up the Marvel Omniverse.

If DC or any other company has an Omniverse, that's on them.

All I know is that Marvel has it's own Omniverse for sure, MOST forum members that deal with the Cosmics Know this.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
You welcome to post as many scans as you want. You still just accepting what Marvel is saying to you. What Marvel is saying is wrong...period.

No need to post further scans, I posted revelent Official scans from different Comic Books and the Bio itself,

and you still turned a blind eye and decided to pump your opinion in order to rewrite what Marvel has established over 2 decades ago.

btw, Marvel Superheroes and the rest of the Jaspers Warp saga was re-printed in July 1995, the Omniverse was an intrinsic part of the Maintream Marvel reality by then.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Again, an Omniverse implies all multiverses in one.

All Multiverses in Marvel, yes.

I don't know anything about DC's "Omniverse" or even if they have one.

I know they have a place called Hypertime, it's like an Omniverse I guess.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
If Marvel claims that they do have an Omniverse is nothing but pure lack of writting and facts.

How can Marvel publish facts that are false about they're own Cosmology?

What you're essentially saying is,

you don't like the FACT, that Marvel has it's own Omniverse, so Marvel has been publishing False On Panel evidence of an Omniverse, and all the Official Bios are full of it too.

eg.

Champion didn't obliterate an entire Planet with one punch because I said so.

But we all saw it happen, artistically depicted accompanied by character statements, and mentioned again in his Official Bio.

So what, I disagree so it's "nothing but pure lack of writting and facts"

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I'm glad you said "Concerning their comic books, I have no choice." No one does...that doesn't mean you have to accept everything they tell you.

If it's concerning their Comics, I do.

Or should I take your unsupprted opinion instead?

All you have to do is reference me to the issues where it's stated that the Marvel Omniverse is a Marvel Cosmic joke that has been getting pulled for over 2 decades. (then I'll take your word)

but if all you have is Wiki ... ❌

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
You have your own logic which tells you they're either wrong or they don't know what they're doing.

Sorry friend,

no way will I ever take yours or anyone else's word over what Marvel has Officially established On Panel and in Bios about their company.

Originally posted by The Libertine
How can a comic Multiverse which is really the writers Universe claim to be an all encompassing "Omniverse" it's frankly ludicrous.

I challenge you to prove me wrong friend.

I challenge you to find any Marvel Comic Book that disputes what I'm saying.

I challenge you to find any Official Marvel Bio that disagrees with me.

Originally posted by The Libertine
Which is why his thread all things cosmic is so silly.

Don't just put down my efforts cause you're clueless about the Marvel Cosmology.

Please, I want you to shut me down, make me feel stupid with PROOF!

NOT with baseless TALK, but with On Panel illustrations depicted in Marvel Comics.

If you can't post scans, tell me the relevant issues that prove I'm talking out of my ass, and I'll post the scans for you, that way we can all see you're right and I'm wrong.

We'll also realize how "silly" my thread is. 😉