It's true. I believe they were both turning into various versions of Superman while they did that.
Hulk's just a bit under Superman when he starts off, but it only takes him an instant to reach Superman's level, depending on how pissed he is; and if DD just killed Betty, Hulk would easily be at Superman's level in strength and beyond. Though, Like I said, this depends on what version of DD Hulk's fighting for that to really help him.
Gee, i wonder if reality was being destroyed because of two uber bricks duking it out, or was it possibly because of the machinations of Alexander Prime and SBP?
Superman at that point in time, wasn't even aware of what was going on with Alexander(iirc), so if he's punching some older version of himself while SBP is in the process of killing Superboy, and reality starts to break around him, what else is he to think?
I hit the wall of my house and it falls down.......oh noes!! I am teh ubest!~!
Little did i know, that outside a guy with a weird plotdevice had manipulated the reality around my house with his thingamabob.
Sound familiar?................oh yeah, the title for my short story is Infinite Crisis.
if there's one thing i hate, its fanboys. most of you are flipping rediculous, doomsday would tear the hulk a new one. with reference to hulk/superman strength there levels start worlds apart. look what doomsday did to darkseid!! what would darkseid do to hulk??? hmmm toastes anyone? doomsday seemed to adapt during the fight and a fact is that superman did struggle with doomsday speed and agility, read DOS and when doomsday returned he was even more powerful. recently in the gog saga doomsday returned more powerful than ever, (note that superman is a lot more powerful these days and starts well and well beyond the hulk in strength) so stop being stupid..... next thread
this is utterly ridiculous...
first off on the issue of strength versus strength... THEY'RE COMPARIBLE... THERE IS DISPUTING.
Superman, has ripped small moons in half, his strength level while calm has been stated to be in the quadrillions of tons.. 😬
hulk had trouble BRACING a PORTION of mountain on his back.. superman has pulled warworld, moved moons...
how anyone can even begin to claim crap like "hulk's strength is superior, it's not debateable.." is clearly beyond me... considering hulk's strength is A) not consistent and B) DEBATEABLE ANYWAY!
And let's get real here..
Hulk is so far below superman it's not even funny.. 😐
In speed, superman can exceed the speed of light, he can pull of flash like blitzes hittin his opponents (as he did with mongul) hundreds of times before they've even realized he's begun to attack.
In senses, superman has infared vision, x-ray vision, microvision, he can even see souls..
His hearing is also better than hulk as he can hear conversatons taking place from accross cities..
He's got far more experience and skills than hulk in h2h thanks to his amazonian martial arts training...
He's WAYYYYYYYY more durable.. he can sit in the sun an thrive off it, he took the megadon warhead and survived (that thing was built to destroy a portion of a galaxy!)
He's got energy projection, he can heat the entire globe with his heat vision.
Ice breath strong enough to hold wonder woman in place.
TK powers that allow him to make a forcfeild around his body at all times.
TP powers that allow him to engage in T-vo when he deems a necesity...
It's nonsense to think hulk comes even CLOSE to being on superman's level...
nonsense.. period..
and howard, you're WRONG...
dd hasn't just beat a bunch of B-league heroes so let's not even pretend that the case...
DD damn near DESTROYED the entire galactic GL corpse...
in DOS, he was beating superman, supergirl, maxima, and bloodwind... hell he clobbered guy gardner with one hand tied behind his back.. literally... NONE of those characters would be B-leaguers in marvel...
and then in hunter prey he not only took down darksied in 3 seconds... but he curbed an enhanced supes...
then we have dd wars where DD single handedly cleans house with wonder woman, martian manhunter, orion, flash, green lantern, huntress, plastic man, and superman.. AND at the same time.. how's that for b-leagues?
oh and then there's the fact that he was running through imperiex drones like it was going out of style.. one drone has fought supes to a near standstill...
And DD-rex is NOT the same DD that was in gog wars...he had features DESTINCTLY different than gog wars dd.
DD-rex died in apocalypse now and evolved into what we saw in gog wars, with intelligence but resembling his earlier appearances.
Hell he fact that he was clobbering over 300 gog's at once outa tell you that. hell the fact that he fought gog for over 100 years should tell you somethin about this fight....
Another thing you people are either forgetting or omiting is the fact that hulk isn't the only one in this fight who grows stronger with anger.. in DOS superman realizes he needs to put DD down quick because DD isn't exhausting but instead growing stronger as thefight progresses...
Not only this but we'e seen DD evolve mid fight while fighting hunter prey sups..
And even with hulk's HF those poisions (strong enough to render superman woozy) WILL eventually catch up to hulk...
as for DD's evolving thing..
well the radiant used pure energy, imperiex used a desintigration beam... wo different things, two different purposes.. that in no way validates that doomsday can be beaten by higher levels of energy... and the fact that he died multiple times on krypton proves nothing for what the evolved state of DD is capible of...
fact is we saw darksied try energy on DD it didn't work, we saw a stronger supes fight dd WITH ENHANCEMENTS... didn't work.. it's quite LIKELY that dd does straight up evolve past whatever he's attacked with at any levels..
as he did with sonics, as he did with braniacs mind control..
DD turns hulk into green paste..... hulk can't do anything here but prolong the enevitable.
People state they're comparable when you compare highest feat vs highest feats. If someone tries to compare Hulk holding up part of a mountain to Superman moving the Wheels of Maggedon, then yeah, there's not much comparison there. You compare that to Hulk deflecting a universe-destroying blast though, they are comparable. I mean, heck Byrne's Superman (the one that fought DoS Doomsday) wasn't portrayed nearly as powerful as Superman is now adn even had trouble holidng up stuff like the Daily Planet Globe from time to time.
Except for speed, Hulk doesn't really need all those other qualities of Superman to be able to hold his own against DoS Doomsday or DD Rex, since those versions are pretty much in his ball park; and like I said, writers often viewed Hulk's speed as a direct relation to his strength increase. That's basically why I say Hulk can only beat those to versions and not others.
Originally posted by jinzin
this is utterly ridiculous...first off on the issue of strength versus strength... THEY'RE COMPARIBLE... THERE IS DISPUTING.
Superman, has ripped small moons in half, his strength level while calm has been stated to be in the quadrillions of tons.. 😬
hulk had trouble BRACING a PORTION of mountain on his back.. superman has pulled warworld, moved moons...
how anyone can even begin to claim crap like "hulk's strength is superior, it's not debateable.." is clearly beyond me... considering hulk's strength is A) not consistent and B) DEBATEABLE ANYWAY!
And let's get real here..
Hulk is so far below superman it's not even funny.. 😐In speed, superman can exceed the speed of light, he can pull of flash like blitzes hittin his opponents (as he did with mongul) hundreds of times before they've even realized he's begun to attack.
In senses, superman has infared vision, x-ray vision, microvision, he can even see souls..
His hearing is also better than hulk as he can hear conversatons taking place from accross cities..
He's got far more experience and skills than hulk in h2h thanks to his amazonian martial arts training...
He's WAYYYYYYYY more durable.. he can sit in the sun an thrive off it, he took the megadon warhead and survived (that thing was built to destroy a portion of a galaxy!)
He's got energy projection, he can heat the entire globe with his heat vision.
Ice breath strong enough to hold wonder woman in place.
TK powers that allow him to make a forcfeild around his body at all times.
TP powers that allow him to engage in T-vo when he deems a necesity...It's nonsense to think hulk comes even CLOSE to being on superman's level...
nonsense.. period..
and howard, you're WRONG...
dd hasn't just beat a bunch of B-league heroes so let's not even pretend that the case...
DD damn near DESTROYED the entire galactic GL corpse...
in DOS, he was beating superman, supergirl, maxima, and bloodwind... hell he clobbered guy gardner with one hand tied behind his back.. literally... NONE of those characters would be B-leaguers in marvel...and then in hunter prey he not only took down darksied in 3 seconds... but he curbed an enhanced supes...
then we have dd wars where DD single handedly cleans house with wonder woman, martian manhunter, orion, flash, green lantern, huntress, plastic man, and superman.. AND at the same time.. how's that for b-leagues?
oh and then there's the fact that he was running through imperiex drones like it was going out of style.. one drone has fought supes to a near standstill...
And DD-rex is NOT the same DD that was in gog wars...he had features DESTINCTLY different than gog wars dd.
DD-rex died in apocalypse now and evolved into what we saw in gog wars, with intelligence but resembling his earlier appearances.
Hell he fact that he was clobbering over 300 gog's at once outa tell you that. hell the fact that he fought gog for over 100 years should tell you somethin about this fight....
Another thing you people are either forgetting or omiting is the fact that hulk isn't the only one in this fight who grows stronger with anger.. in DOS superman realizes he needs to put DD down quick because DD isn't exhausting but instead growing stronger as thefight progresses...
Not only this but we'e seen DD evolve mid fight while fighting hunter prey sups..
And even with hulk's HF those poisions (strong enough to render superman woozy) WILL eventually catch up to hulk...as for DD's evolving thing..
well the radiant used pure energy, imperiex used a desintigration beam... wo different things, two different purposes.. that in no way validates that doomsday can be beaten by higher levels of energy... and the fact that he died multiple times on krypton proves nothing for what the evolved state of DD is capible of...
fact is we saw darksied try energy on DD it didn't work, we saw a stronger supes fight dd WITH ENHANCEMENTS... didn't work.. it's quite LIKELY that dd does straight up evolve past whatever he's attacked with at any levels..
as he did with sonics, as he did with braniacs mind control..DD turns hulk into green paste..... hulk can't do anything here but prolong the enevitable.
Let me address some of your points.
Hulk will never move a planet. His powerset doesn't lend him to such a feat.
But, he has his own feats, some known, others more obscure.
Superman moved Warworld, while explicitly powered up above his normal levels.
Superman moved the moon, on his own, while he had electromagnetic powers. It wasn't a strength feat.
He's never torn, the moon in half. He divebombed a moon in half though.
To others things you've said...
He sits in a sun, and thrives off it, due to him being empowered by it. Thats like saying Namor or Aquaman sitting at the deepest depths of the ocean is a feat for them.
He took the mageddon warhead? No, he absorbed the energy of the warhead, which was some kind of antisunlight.......
Which kinda lends itself to Superman, guy who absorbs all kinds of positive and negative solar energies, ya think?
And Hulk is on the level of Superman. In strength.
Feats are great, but where they directly compare are the true indications of power.
Everything else you said is fine by me...
Except the DD immunity thing.
Are we now resorting to the different kinds of blasts used?
Radiant killed DD with an energy blast, type not confirmed.
Imperiex killed DD with a disintegration energy blast, type confirmed.
Both instances, DD killed with an energy blast.
But according to forumlore, DD is immune once he dies to whatever killed him.
Comics contradict this.
The fact that on Krypton, DD WAS evolving, and yet still died, nullifies the entire claim that once killed, he's forever immune.
Peace.
Originally posted by jinzin
this is utterly ridiculous...first off on the issue of strength versus strength... THEY'RE COMPARIBLE... THERE IS DISPUTING.
Superman, has ripped small moons in half, his strength level while calm has been stated to be in the quadrillions of tons.. 😬
hulk had trouble BRACING a PORTION of mountain on his back.. superman has pulled warworld, moved moons...
how anyone can even begin to claim crap like "hulk's strength is superior, it's not debateable.." is clearly beyond me... considering hulk's strength is A) not consistent and B) DEBATEABLE ANYWAY!
And let's get real here..
Hulk is so far below superman it's not even funny.. 😐In speed, superman can exceed the speed of light, he can pull of flash like blitzes hittin his opponents (as he did with mongul) hundreds of times before they've even realized he's begun to attack.
In senses, superman has infared vision, x-ray vision, microvision, he can even see souls..
His hearing is also better than hulk as he can hear conversatons taking place from accross cities..
He's got far more experience and skills than hulk in h2h thanks to his amazonian martial arts training...
He's WAYYYYYYYY more durable.. he can sit in the sun an thrive off it, he took the megadon warhead and survived (that thing was built to destroy a portion of a galaxy!)
He's got energy projection, he can heat the entire globe with his heat vision.
Ice breath strong enough to hold wonder woman in place.
TK powers that allow him to make a forcfeild around his body at all times.
TP powers that allow him to engage in T-vo when he deems a necesity...It's nonsense to think hulk comes even CLOSE to being on superman's level...
nonsense.. period..
and howard, you're WRONG...
dd hasn't just beat a bunch of B-league heroes so let's not even pretend that the case...
DD damn near DESTROYED the entire galactic GL corpse...
in DOS, he was beating superman, supergirl, maxima, and bloodwind... hell he clobbered guy gardner with one hand tied behind his back.. literally... NONE of those characters would be B-leaguers in marvel...and then in hunter prey he not only took down darksied in 3 seconds... but he curbed an enhanced supes...
then we have dd wars where DD single handedly cleans house with wonder woman, martian manhunter, orion, flash, green lantern, huntress, plastic man, and superman.. AND at the same time.. how's that for b-leagues?
oh and then there's the fact that he was running through imperiex drones like it was going out of style.. one drone has fought supes to a near standstill...
And DD-rex is NOT the same DD that was in gog wars...he had features DESTINCTLY different than gog wars dd.
DD-rex died in apocalypse now and evolved into what we saw in gog wars, with intelligence but resembling his earlier appearances.
Hell he fact that he was clobbering over 300 gog's at once outa tell you that. hell the fact that he fought gog for over 100 years should tell you somethin about this fight....
Another thing you people are either forgetting or omiting is the fact that hulk isn't the only one in this fight who grows stronger with anger.. in DOS superman realizes he needs to put DD down quick because DD isn't exhausting but instead growing stronger as thefight progresses...
Not only this but we'e seen DD evolve mid fight while fighting hunter prey sups..
And even with hulk's HF those poisions (strong enough to render superman woozy) WILL eventually catch up to hulk...as for DD's evolving thing..
well the radiant used pure energy, imperiex used a desintigration beam... wo different things, two different purposes.. that in no way validates that doomsday can be beaten by higher levels of energy... and the fact that he died multiple times on krypton proves nothing for what the evolved state of DD is capible of...
fact is we saw darksied try energy on DD it didn't work, we saw a stronger supes fight dd WITH ENHANCEMENTS... didn't work.. it's quite LIKELY that dd does straight up evolve past whatever he's attacked with at any levels..
as he did with sonics, as he did with braniacs mind control..DD turns hulk into green paste..... hulk can't do anything here but prolong the enevitable.
end of discussion, good job, DD wins
Originally posted by UniOmni
Let me address some of your points.Hulk will never move a planet. His powerset doesn't lend him to such a feat.
But, he has his own feats, some known, others more obscure.
Superman moved Warworld, while explicitly powered up above his normal levels.
Superman moved the moon, on his own, while he had electromagnetic powers. It wasn't a strength feat.
He's never torn, the moon in half. He divebombed a moon in half though.
To others things you've said...
He sits in a sun, and thrives off it, due to him being empowered by it. Thats like saying Namor or Aquaman sitting at the deepest depths of the ocean is a feat for them.
He took the mageddon warhead? No, he absorbed the energy of the warhead, which was some kind of antisunlight.......
Which kinda lends itself to Superman, guy who absorbs all kinds of positive and negative solar energies, ya think?
And Hulk is on the level of Superman. In strength.
Feats are great, but where they directly compare are the true indications of power.
Everything else you said is fine by me...
Except the DD immunity thing.
Are we now resorting to the different kinds of blasts used?
Radiant killed DD with an energy blast, type not confirmed.
Imperiex killed DD with a disintegration energy blast, type confirmed.
Both instances, DD killed with an energy blast.But according to forumlore, DD is immune once he dies to whatever killed him.
Comics contradict this.
The fact that on Krypton, DD WAS evolving, and yet still died, nullifies the entire claim that once killed, he's forever immune.
Peace.
👆 uniomni
Gee, i wonder if reality was being destroyed because of two uber bricks duking it out, or was it possibly because of the machinations of Alexander Prime and SBP?Superman at that point in time, wasn't even aware of what was going on with Alexander(iirc), so if he's punching some older version of himself while SBP is in the process of killing Superboy, and reality starts to break around him, what else is he to think?
I hit the wall of my house and it falls down.......oh noes!! I am teh ubest!~!
Little did i know, that outside a guy with a weird plotdevice had manipulated the reality around my house with his thingamabob.
Sound familiar?................oh yeah, the title for my short story is Infinite Crisis.
Thing is you're not going by evidence from the comic. You're making your own conclusions based on the fact you don't want Superman to be that strong. We could do this for any high end feet. Maybe when Hulk lifted that mountain the Living Tribunal was holding it up for him.
Also the Superboys fought In issue 4. Superboy Prime was in the speedforce when the Supermen were fighting. There were only two Earths at that point and there were no signs of instability in reality until they began fighting.
Originally posted by Accel
People state they're comparable when you compare highest feat vs highest feats. If someone tries to compare Hulk holding up part of a mountain to Superman moving the Wheels of Maggedon, then yeah, there's not much comparison there. You compare that to Hulk deflecting a universe-destroying blast though, they are comparable. I mean, heck Byrne's Superman (the one that fought DoS Doomsday) wasn't portrayed nearly as powerful as Superman is now adn even had trouble holidng up stuff like the Daily Planet Globe from time to time.Except for speed, Hulk doesn't really need all those other qualities of Superman to be able to hold his own against DoS Doomsday or DD Rex, since those versions are pretty much in his ball park; and like I said, writers often viewed Hulk's speed as a direct relation to his strength increase. That's basically why I say Hulk can only beat those to versions and not others.
while I agree with you're veiws on who hulk can hang with or beat dd wise...
for strength feats.. the thing is, superman's strength feats are right there infront of our faces.. while hulk's can easily be construed as hyperbole... what's his greatest feat of strength that we can actually see?
Originally posted by UniOmni
Let me address some of your points.Hulk will never move a planet. His powerset doesn't lend him to such a feat.
But, he has his own feats, some known, others more obscure.
Superman moved Warworld, while explicitly powered up above his normal levels.
Superman moved the moon, on his own, while he had electromagnetic powers. It wasn't a strength feat.
He's never torn, the moon in half. He divebombed a moon in half though.
To others things you've said...
He sits in a sun, and thrives off it, due to him being empowered by it. Thats like saying Namor or Aquaman sitting at the deepest depths of the ocean is a feat for them.
He took the mageddon warhead? No, he absorbed the energy of the warhead, which was some kind of antisunlight.......
Which kinda lends itself to Superman, guy who absorbs all kinds of positive and negative solar energies, ya think?
And Hulk is on the level of Superman. In strength.
Feats are great, but where they directly compare are the true indications of power.
Everything else you said is fine by me...
Except the DD immunity thing.
Are we now resorting to the different kinds of blasts used?
Radiant killed DD with an energy blast, type not confirmed.
Imperiex killed DD with a disintegration energy blast, type confirmed.
Both instances, DD killed with an energy blast.But according to forumlore, DD is immune once he dies to whatever killed him.
Comics contradict this.
The fact that on Krypton, DD WAS evolving, and yet still died, nullifies the entire claim that once killed, he's forever immune.
Peace.
okay to the moon stuff..
but the ocean analogy doesn't work... things like jelly fish and anglerfish are biologically suited to survive in the ocean depths and it has nothing to do with them being super durable... but the same can't be said about anything like that for the sun because the sun's too hostile an environment to thrive in... unless you're superman.
you don't think that "antisunlight" would effect supes worseoff?
finally with the DD immunity.. no it's supported by comics..
again what happened to DD before he was finally dubbed the ultimate is irrelivant.. he couldn't bring himself back to life at that pont he had to be cloned... now that's not an issue for him, so obviously the powersets are different.. and the only prove that actually applies to DD NOT being imune to levels of attacks from times past... is the imperiex example.. and it's too ambiguous to call.
I still don't think that a pure energy blast, and a beam created to disintigrate matter can be put in the same category.
Re: Doomsday vs. The Hulk
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
[B]For xmeat, because he asked for it.To be fair, *snicker* Betty has been killed by DD, and Hulk saw it first hand.
In this case any version of Doomsday would be erased from DCU for ever.
under these conditions Hulk wins 10/10
under normal conditions (no Betty murdered) hulk wins 6-7/10
(better healing factor, way powerful dynamic strenght, no contest)