Originally posted by darthsith19
And why wouldn't it be?The more recent quote wins. When was that quote stated?
No, it doesn't make sense, but what Lucas says goes, otehr people disagree because they won't admit that Anakin and Sidious are equals but if Lucas says it then it's true.
As far as I am aware of you have only one quote, so don't make it seem like you have more quotes than we do, and the more recent quote wins.
Now he is not AS POWERFUL as Sidious, meaning before he was AS POWERFUL. If it meant what you are implying that it mean then if would not have the word "now" in it.
Lucas said that he was LIKE Dooku in Maul, meaning as far as his position goes, not his strength, before he was talking about POWER. Have you asked your english teacher?
Yoda's [b]assumption
that Sidious > Anakin does not overrule Lucas's word that Sidious = Anakin, so your point is moot."He was never again as strong as the Emperor."
again: once more
never: at no time
"He was at no time once more as strong as the Emperor"
Meaning as one time he was one as strong as the Emperor. Otherwise the word the word "again" wouldn't have been there and it would read "He was never as strong as the Emperor." the again serves a purpose. If he didn't mean it then he wouldn't have said it. [/B]
Edit: Look at the ending of this post, that is all that is relevent to me now....
Your kidding? You actually think Anakin equals Sidious in the force and is going to say that in future debates? He couldn't even overpower Obi-Wan, how the **** is he going to beat someone with 1134,½ more offensive powers, a shitload of more knowledge and strenght in using it, and someone who can overpower Yoda with it? Anakin is not that proficient with the force at this time....
And all this is based on the "From then on", NEVER does Lucas actually stated foul proofly that Anakin = Sidious, you just take that quote and then pull it the way you want it. You honestly think that Lucas would give that info up on such shitty, half assed qyote? He would've explained it...
Lucas HAS proven FOUL PROOFLY that Anakin cannot even compare to Sidious, "You need to be Mace or Yoda to even compare with Sidious, if Anakin had not been wounded on Mustafar he could've beaten Sidious" and not to mention the whole thing he is talking about in that quote IS about Anakin had he become the most powerful ever. Why would Lucas contradict himself? Heck, why should we take this internet source over the canon material in the commentary, plus when we have all the facts that Sidious is superior? He wouldn't have made Sidious look so superior if he was actually going to put them equal on a freaking half assed quote in some magazine....
And since you refuse to actually TRY to see it my way, this debate is impossible. I have seen it your way, and I thought like that at first, but after watching some debates with Gideon and others, I saw that it was actually only pulled out of context. You should look that one up, hey, didn't we shut you up at that time? But now you're back at it....
And Allfg, the feat Anakin pulled in the novelisation was pretty much in the game, it wasn't that big a feat compared to either Sidious or Yoda. Anakin tripped that statue, that was all, like Dooku tripped that large thing on Obi-Wan and Anakin while in a fight and not breaking a sweat. Not that hard for the top dogs to pull of, Yoda has lifted way bigger things, note LIFTED, which is damn harder than just making something fall, or ripping of a small piece of it.
And again, you only judge the actors performance. Sidious was a brilliant swordsman with knowledge of almost all styles except for Vaapad, Ian however, is an old man with no such knowledge.....
Here's how I get this, if you don't agree or cannot see what I mean, then I'll just skip this debate cause there is no end of it then! Then I agree to disagree with you (you can do whatever) and then leave...
"He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on".
See? EVERYTHING in that quote IS about "What Anakin would've become", "one who would be stronger than Palpatine". Read this one carefully....
"The Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up..."
In that quote, he talks about how Anakin would've become stronger than Sidious if he had grown, TO CONTINUE to speak about how Obi-Wan destroyed his plans, AND THAT LEADS TO him saying, "from then on....". Lucas has already stated you need to be either Yoda or Mace to even COMPETE with Sidious, Anakin as you notice, is not there, and has not proven ANY feats on par.
The whole conversation is about Anakin's potential, not about Anakin by ROTS and his power being equal to Sidious.
Wait, we shouldn't discuss this here anyway, should make a thread or look up the old one....
Btw, sorry if it came out harsh, once again, I'm in a bad mood, shouldn't be letting it out on you.
And I just noticed I made a typo. I didn't mean to say "Why should we take this internet source over the canon commentary", I meant to ask which one is more reliable (seeing as both probably are canon), and which one of them that is the latest?
The quote from that interview was POSTED on there March 24th 2005, which was the release date of the movie in the cinemas wasn't it? Well the DVD didn't come out until much later that year, like December or something. So I think the commentary was made later....
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Your talking like Sidious was moving ridiculously slow during the Yoda duel. Even in the part we see (the part where there confined to the senate pods) Sidious was still moving fast, MUCH faster then his Mace duel.
A tad bit faster, yes, but still pretty slow.
And considering the fact the book doesn't call him a shadow at the start of the duel, we see only a SMALL piece of the lightsaber portion that pans out to a over head view, then the fact that we miss what the script calls Yodas most furious and fast assault, then the we have Sidious being called a shadow, I'd say its VERY plausible and likely did happen sinceA. Blurs would not be entertaining to fans
Out of universe explanations aren't valid in these kind of debates.
B. Lucas agrees with this interpretation.
Proof?
C. Lucas agrees that Sidious was capable of indeed moving that fast.
Proof?
D. Leeland Chee says cutaways and POV's can be supplemented with the Novel and other sources that don't contradict the movie.
Dude, it's illogical to think that Sidious would have moved at those speeds in between the duel, yet move much slower at the start and end. Leland Chan is a proven moron, so his opinion means jack.
So sorry Nebaris your wrong (as usual) and really whats the point of this discussion? Sidious was still the most powerful Sith ever before that point.
Bullshit.
His speed is rather irrelevant.
Is highly relevant in terms of saber skills.
Now if were on the topic of who'd win in a straight lightsaber duel between Anakin and Sidious its Anakin.
Anakin would decimate Sidious.
A tad bit faster, yes, but still pretty slow.
No kiddo sorry, slow would be how Vader moved in ANH, hell slow would be the Mace/Sidious duel, The Yoda duel was far from slow.
Out of universe explanations aren't valid in these kind of debates.
Says who? Considering that the scene in question isn't seen in the movie (the highest source of canon) we turn to the next highest source ie: The book and the script, the script calls that part extremely fast, and Yoda's most furious assault, the novel says that at that point Sidious was moving as if he was a shadow and Yoda was apparently besting him while moving that fast.
Proof?
Lucas word edited The ROTS novelization
Proof?
Dude, it's illogical to think that Sidious would have moved at those speeds in between the duel, yet move much slower at the start and end. Leland Chan is a proven moron, so his opinion means jack.
Not really, considering at that start of the duel he was f*cking around with Yoda then the screen pans out and we see Yoda hopping round him, then it cuts away, and guess what we miss in that cut away: The most important and furious part of the Lightsaber portion of the duel, then when the scene returns Sidious is without a saber and in a completely different section.
Leeland Chee is the keeper of the holocron his opinion > Yours by a VERY large margin.
Bullshit.
Whats bullshit? The fact that your usually always wrong? Or the fact that the visual guide for AOTC calls Sidious the most powerful Sith ever? Both are true.
The AOTC complete visual guide accroding to Escape calls Sidious the most Sidious the most powerful sith in history. Its something along the lines of "Unbeknowst to the Jedi the most powerful Sith Lord in hisory lurks in the shadows waiting." I've seen Escape post the exact quote and page number, so I don't think he was BS'ing