Originally posted by UniOmni
Its not about who can possibly beat him.Its about who's flat out more powerful than Surfer.
And to Souja, Surfer has admitted that Mjnollir trumps him, not Thor.
Thor vs Surfer without the hammer, Surfer all day.
That would be like saying Thor is superior to Surfer without the power cosmic.
Or Batman is superior to Hal without his ring.
Mjolnir is a part of Thor's character, taking it from him would be like taking away his arm.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
No version of Supes would win. Still too easy for Surfer to exploit his weaknesses via different-waved energy blasts.Morg's also out because the thread says "heroes"
Maybe Majestic though. He's Supes minus any tangible weakness.
So, those who could [b]possibly
beat him:Majestic
Strange
Fate
Sentry
Thor
Sentinel (Alan Scott)
Kyle
Hal
Warlock...most of those could go either way depending on the circumstances. [/B]
Going by feats, many versions of Superman would defeat SS, a few seconds of sun dipping for superman put him to the level of being able to battle Imperiex.
And you still state that SS could manipulate Supes and exploit his weakness, what exactly is SS going to exploit?
Kyrptonite? Last I checked he was nigh immune to it.
Red sunlight, or draining the solar energy from Superman? Yeah I guess your completely ignoring Supermans massive energy manipulation feats; such as when he with his own power, manipulated the matter and reality of a giant sun eater, and completely changed it.
That is of course, unless you believe SS>A sun eater such as the likes of solaris kind.
Originally posted by UniOmni
An abstract being that doesn't represent something abstract?Not happening.......Plus, abstract beings don't get merked by above the top tier characters like Gog.
How about he represents speed as IN he's IS the speed force. Also Gog is not an above top tier. He's a sky father lvl being.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
That would be like saying Thor is superior to Surfer without the power cosmic.Or Batman is superior to Hal without his ring.
Mjolnir is a part of Thor's character, taking it from him would be like taking away his arm.
I'm just clarifying what you said.
You said Surfer said Thor is more powerful than him.
Surfer said the hammer trumps his power cosmic.
The fact that he specifically mentioned the hammer, tells me that he considers the hammer to be the deciding factor, not the meathead who wields it.
Surfer without the pc is a humanoid pacifist.
Hal without his ring is human.
Thor without the mallet, is still the Thundergod. Not the same.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
The surfer takes out Superman in 5 seconds via energy absortion, speedblitz, destroy Wonder Woman via planet destroying blast in 10 seconds, takes 30 seconds to recover, take 2 minutes for Kyle, 3 for Hal, and takes 20 second to go take the tea with Galactus.
Try not to be ignrant
Going by feats, many versions of Superman would defeat SS, a few seconds of sun dipping for superman put him to the level of being able to battle Imperiex.
And you still state that SS could manipulate Supes and exploit his weakness, what exactly is SS going to exploit?
Kyrptonite? Last I checked he was nigh immune to it.
Red sunlight, or draining the solar energy from Superman? Yeah I guess your completely ignoring Supermans massive energy manipulation feats; such as when he with his own power, manipulated the matter and reality of a giant sun eater, and completely changed it.
That is of course, unless you believe SS>A sun eater such as the likes of solaris kind.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
PS, Wave Rider, Auron and Infinity man Rape the Surfer. And Surfer in no way rapes Kyle or Hal or even Kilowog for that matter.
Waverider and Auron definitely take SS. Infinity Man does not. They are fairly even. Probably a split there. Surfer does not rape those GL's but he definitely takes a majority from all three. Supes vs. SS is not a good match for Supes. SS has too many powers at his disposal. Going by powersets, SS>>Superman.
Originally posted by tdawg14
Waverider and Auron definitely take SS. Infinity Man does not. They are fairly even. Probably a split there. Surfer does not rape those GL's but he definitely takes a majority from all three. Supes vs. SS is not a good match for Supes. SS has too many powers at his disposal. Going by powersets, SS>>Superman.
Kyle currently annihilates SS with but a thought.
Hal trumps SS in terms of high end feats, and going by average Feats I give the edge to hal.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Kyle currently annihilates SS with but a thought.Hal trumps SS in terms of high end feats, and going by average Feats I give the edge to hal.
Kyle as Ion, yes you are correct. But the thread starter said no Ion or Parallax, therefore SS takes both Kyle and Hal for a majority.
Originally posted by tdawg14
Kyle as Ion, yes you are correct. But the thread starter said no Ion or Parallax, therefore SS takes both Kyle and Hal for a majority.
Nay, both Hal and Kyle trump SS when it comes to versatility and raw power.
Hal can create the entire GL corps, JLA, JSU, all simultaniously and effortlesly.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Nay, both Hal and Kyle trump SS when it comes to versatility and raw power.Hal can create the entire GL corps, JLA, JSU, all simultaniously and effortlesly.
I do not agree with Hal or Kyle surpassing SS with power or versatility. But what is true is that SS>>>Hal or Kyle in durability and speed. One direct hit from SS to either one and they are out.
Originally posted by tdawg14
I do not agree with Hal or Kyle surpassing SS with power or versatility. But what is true is that SS>>>Hal or Kyle in durability and speed. One direct hit from SS to either one and they are out.
Again try not to be ignorant, research before you speak.
In terms of Speed, Hal/Kyle have been shown to go from one end of the universe to the other with but a thought.
Durability? Again do your research, Hal has held the big bang.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Again try not to be ignorant, research before you speak.In terms of Speed, Hal/Kyle have been shown to go from one end of the universe to the other with but a thought.
Durability? Again do your research, Hal has held the big bang.
But in the SS/GL crossover, Kyle could not contain the energies from the OA battery. He needed a weakened, yes weakened SS to do it. There is no ignorance here. SS>GLs. SS can go so fast that he can go back in time.
Originally posted by tdawg14
But in the SS/GL crossover, Kyle could not contain the energies from the OA battery. He needed a weakened, yes weakened SS to do it. There is no ignorance here. SS>GLs. SS can go so fast that he can go back in time.
You do know that cross over isn't cannon correct?
Secondly, time travel is not going to do anything to Hal or Kyle, GL's can do what ever they will, time travel is as pie to them.