Originally posted by horrorwolf
Regarding speed, Sabretooth is nowhere near as agile
Originally posted by horrorwolf
and quick as Spider-man.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
And the Web situation:
It depends on how the webbing is used. If Spidey were to web his hands/fists, then arms, then shoulders etc, Sabre has no range of movement in which to break free, and no exposed claws (web covered) to cut. .
which we all know is sooooo likely to happen because sabretooth won't be attacking spiderman or anything he'll be standing there letting himself freely be webbed up to pete's desire right?
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Originally posted by horrorwolf
Spidey can definitely dodge, and kick out webbing faster than Sabre can cut though anyways. In minutes, he'd look like a wiggling moron..
you mean like taskmaster wasn't fast enough?
no that can't be it.
you must mean like when lizard isn't fast enough?
no.. damn.. that's not a good example either...
okay I got it, you mean like when black panther wasn't fast enough to do the.......
no that's not right either..shit.. what DO you mean? 😬
sabretooth's plenty fast enough to cut through the webbing that comes at him, and strong enough to tear away at the strands his claws don't get with brute strength ALONE.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
In jumps Spidey and its clobbering time. He could re-inforce the webbing, or go in for some extreme blows.
Regeneration does not help against KO's or decapitation. And Spidey can pretty much read Sabretooths movements in advance with Spider sense...
Spiderman can't even KO wolverine with "everything I've got" what the hell makes you think he's gonna put down creed?
pffft apparently spiderman hits harder than sasquatch, colosus, ms. marvel and killpower now... 😂
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Keep in mind I'm not saying Sabre has no chance, it just lesser odds - like 3/10 due to spideys mobility, and spider-sense.s
ah yes.. the infaulible spider sense that kept spiderman from having his throat at sabretooth's very hands.... oh wait.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742044
Originally posted by Metalmanx
The Blob is said to possess class 75 strength (obviously, before his depowering) as part of an ongoing mutation that took place in his body, gradually increasing his superhuman strength.And yet, the webbing held him just fine:
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanvsblob16xu.jpg
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanblobcapture8ts.jpgAnd then there are things like this:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6432145Given the sheer size of that load, the webbing would require some immense durability to hold onto that--while swinging at high speeds. I'm sure I don't need to explain the physics to anyone. Which is good, because I can't explain it well in here.
There's this example, too (though I believe the rock load to be more impressive):
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanwolverine3p12hg6ub.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanwolverine3p13hg1nb.jpgAnd then this:
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvnewsvenom13kf.jpg
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom26zd.jpg
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom37xc.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom49ce.jpgHell, they were hardly that high up, too. The speed in which he fired his webbing and having it stick was just ridiculous there.
And since I've never doubted that Sabretooth could cut through the webbing (I mean, he's got claws afterall), I'm simply arguing that Sabretooth would not be strong enough to break out of it (sans cutting).
no one's saying that given the sufficient amount of time that spidey could very well have creed webbed to the point his strength was of no use, however it's WELL less likely that spiderman's going to leave creed incapacitated with the strands he'll be shooting in an actual fight.
jinzin actaully the agility thing could very well be debatable. people seem to forget the agility means lightness of foot. Just becuase wolverine and sabertooth don't bounce around because it waste time and is in effective in battle does not mean they can't. See as how they are to of the stealthest people in marvel which would mean they have to be extremely agile
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Bouncing around isn't a waste of time; agility is the adroitness of movement and the skill in which doing so, in which Spiderman does best, second to Mr. Fantastic of course, who can adapt his shape to anything.
Agreed, so many people tend to get agility, speed and reflex's confused, although working in cohesion, can be quite spectacular, sorta like spidey.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Bouncing around isn't a waste of time; agility is the adroitness of movement and the skill in which doing so, in which Spiderman does best, second to Mr. Fantastic of course, who can adapt his shape to anything.
also agility means lightness of foot.
Originally posted by capt it up
actually it is a waste of time. Most often jumping is the worst thing to do in a fight. when your in the air you can not redirect your movements.also agility means lightness of foot.
a·gil·i·ty (-jl-t) KEY
NOUN:
The state or quality of being agile; nimbleness.
swift (swft) KEY
ADJECTIVE:
swift·er , swift·est
Moving or capable of moving with great speed; fast. See Synonyms at fast 1.
Coming, occurring, or accomplished quickly; instant: a swift retort.
Quick to act or react; prompt: swift to take steps.
Capt, you have to remember one thing, this is a comic, these guys leap from building to building whilst performing a multitude backflips, with ease.
To them, that is a "jump"
The little hopping around in fights you see the likes of spiderman, beast, and black panther doing, is just them moving swiftly, which in turn, would be entire "jumps" to us real humans.
Take into account their superhuman range of motion, awareness, and reaction time (these guys dodge bullets) and its perfectly fair to say they still have great reflex's and range of action whilst moving quickly, which again, would be entire "jumps" to us real humans.
But I see where your trying to come from.
Originally posted by jinzinI don't know if he's positively faster than spiderman.. and I would be inclined to say that he probably isn't in all reality but he's probably very close to if not straight up as fast.
...Spiderman loses.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
The Blob is said to possess class 75 strength (obviously, before his depowering) as part of an ongoing mutation that took place in his body, gradually increasing his superhuman strength.And yet, the webbing held him just fine:
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanvsblob16xu.jpg
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanblobcapture8ts.jpg
I dunno I alwasy thought Blob was a big lumox.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6432145
So Sabrettoth wouldnt be able to dodge that?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Given the sheer size of that load, the webbing would require some immense durability to hold onto that--while swinging at high speeds. I'm sure I don't need to explain the physics to anyone. Which is good, because I can't explain it well in here.There's this example, too (though I believe the rock load to be more impressive):
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanwolverine3p12hg6ub.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanwolverine3p13hg1nb.jpgAnd then this:
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvnewsvenom13kf.jpg
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom26zd.jpg
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom37xc.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom49ce.jpgHell, they were hardly that high up, too. The speed in which he fired his webbing and having it stick was just ridiculous there.
And since I've never doubted that Sabretooth could cut through the webbing (I mean, he's got claws afterall), I'm simply arguing that Sabretooth would not be strong enough to break out of it (sans cutting).
I dont see whats going to stop Sabretooth cutting through all different examples of webbing when Blade and Taskmaster have done the same, also Sabretooth is extremely fast. It could be argued that the reason why Blade and Taskmaster were able to do it is because they used skill.
Why would Sabretooth be in a position where he would have to use brute strength to cut through the webbing? I guess it could happen but it sounds unlikely.
Originally posted by capt it up
actually it is a waste of time. Most often jumping is the worst thing to do in a fight. when your in the air you can not redirect your movements.also agility means lightness of foot.
I think Spiderman should be able to redirect his movement in the air atleast beast was able to do that, since spiderman is more agile than beast, he should be able to do the same.
Originally posted by capt it upSpiderman isn't a "human" therefore you can't judge him like one, he jumps 50 feet in the air, can stick to walls, and has webbing to redirect his movements.
actually it is a waste of time. Most often jumping is the worst thing to do in a fight. when your in the air you can not redirect your movements.also agility means lightness of foot.
So you're wrong on both accounts. Agility also has a more indepth meaning than you're saying.
Sabretooth has many advantages, but he is not an amaglam of Spiderman and Wolverine, he doesn't act like one. Actually Carnage would be closer to that. Sabretooth is just a big Wolverine that is tougher. He doesn't hold the strength to break the webbing, but he would be harder to web than Wolverine. Just adding that.
He can cut some of it, but the web is like a consistent stream, he has nail like claws, it would be really difficult for him to cut all of it... and that's granted that he has the leverage, because he has a big body, and he will have a harder time covering it with his nails than Wolverine would with his long claws.
I'm not saying Spiderman holding the advantages necessary in most aspects, but he does have one in webbing.
