Originally posted by AlfheimOf course, and he most likely won't have a problem with that, unless the environment is against him.
I dont think it will make that much of a difference, but Spiderman is going to have to keep his distance.
But I made my point and it was clear so I'm not going to defend something I didn't say from someone who might twist it around. (not aimed at you, general statement)
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Of course, and he most likely won't have a problem with that, unless the environment is against him.But I made my point and it was clear so I'm not going to defend something I didn't say from someone who might twist it around. (not aimed at you)
Ok cool, who do you think wins the majority?
Originally posted by AlfheimIn most environments where he can't utilize the webbing, Sabes holds the majority. But Spiderman can stalemate and grasp wins in environments that favor his. In other words, if Spiderman can't find a wall to get on or a way to keep distance, he loses, and I would bet my money on Sabes in that case.
Ok cool, who do you think wins the majority?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
In most environments where he can't utilize the webbing, Sabes holds the majority. But Spiderman can stalemate and grasp wins in environments that favor his. In other words, if Spiderman can't find a wall to get on or a way to keep distance, he loses, and I would bet my money on Sabes in that case.
That seems reasonable in an urban envinronment there are lots of things that Spiderman could sue to his advantage. Sabretooth maybe fast but he is not as fast as Spiderman and does not have the mobility.
Spiderman could eventually find a way to trap him, but to be quite honest with you I think even if Sabretooth was trapped and Spiderman pummeled away at him I dont think it would do anything.
I dont think immobilising somebody is a win on this forum, but it should be.
Originally posted by Alfheim
That seems reasonable in an urban envinronment there are lots of things that Spiderman could sue to his advantage. Sabretooth maybe fast but he is not as fast as Spiderman and does not have the mobility.Spiderman could eventually find a way to trap him, but to be quite honest with you I think even if Sabretooth was trapped and Spiderman pummeled away at him I dont think it would do anything.
I dont think immobilising somebody is a win on this forum, but it should be.
Blocking airways does work though 😕
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spiderman isn't a "human" therefore you can't judge him like one, he jumps 50 feet in the air, can stick to walls, and has webbing to redirect his movements.So you're wrong on both accounts. Agility also has a more indepth meaning than you're saying.
Sabretooth has many advantages, but he is not an amaglam of Spiderman and Wolverine, he doesn't act like one. Actually Carnage would be closer to that. Sabretooth is just a big Wolverine that is tougher. He doesn't hold the strength to break the webbing, but he would be harder to web than Wolverine. Just adding that.
spiderman jumps all the time in battle with out using webs to redirect him.
how am I wrong? It a fact that while in air your at the mersy of gravity.
agility is light ness of foot. it your ability to stay balanced as the ability to step lightly. Elfs are a perfect example of agility.
sabertooth is a class 20 he could break the webbing easily. He could also cut it easily.
Originally posted by capt it upAnd he jumps high enough that he can avoid foes.
spiderman jumps all the time in battle with out using webs to redirect him.
Originally posted by capt it upBut that doesn't matter if you can redirect your momentum, does it?
how am I wrong? It a fact that while in air your at the mersy of gravity.
Originally posted by capt it upAgility is adroitness in movement, two people have proved this, you are only posting one version of agility. It's your overall ability to move well, and it's not just feet. A gymnest has excellent agility even if they flip around from pole to pole without landing. It is the skill and adroitness of movement.
agility is light ness of foot. it your ability to stay balanced as the ability to step lightly. Elfs are a perfect example of agility.
Originally posted by capt it upSpiderman has had a hard time breaking the webbing, class 20 isn't enough. And sabes isn't class 20. He won't cut it easy without leverage, and his small claws can't cover his entire body.
sabertooth is a class 20 he could break the webbing easily. He could also cut it easily.
That webbing has held many foes stronger than that. It has 120 lb per millileter tensile strength.
Originally posted by capt it upCovering someone's mouth and blocking their airways are two different things.
ecpt the fact that would not work either. His webbing has shown in the past people can breath while it covering there mouths
I cover my mouth when I cough and I breathe, you can have your airway clogged by water, so I'm sure webbing can do it. Do you not like Spiderman to have any advantages in these matches? And again I'm not even giving him the majority, I'm speaking truth.
why is this battle still going on. Sabertooth clearly wins this fight. A better fight would be sabertooth vs black tarantula. Why dont people understand that all its going to take is one slice and the fight is over and please dont say that sabertooth isnt going to get it because he will and quite easily: ex...... Spiderman got slice by wolverine, knocked out by silver samurai, beat to death by morlun, stabbed by elektra, slapped around by king pin, beat up by vulture, hit by scorpion, beat up by captain america,, etc.... on this entire list that i have named I can see only one person that can beat or stalemate sabertooth whereas everyone that I have named have beat spiderman up, with there hands. Sabertooth wins this every time and dont use the stupid webbing because weaker have broke thru it and weaker and slower have dodged it.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And he jumps high enough that he can avoid foes.But that doesn't matter if you can redirect your momentum, does it?
Agility is adroitness in movement, two people have proved this, you are only posting one version of agility. It's your overall ability to move well, and it's not just feet. A gymnest has excellent agility even if they flip around from pole to pole without landing. It is the skill and adroitness of movement.
Spiderman has had a hard time breaking the webbing, class 20 isn't enough. And sabes isn't class 20. He won't cut it easy without leverage, and his small claws can't cover his entire body.
That webbing has held many foes stronger than that. It has 120 lb per millileter tensile strength.
Covering someone's mouth and blocking their airways are two different things.I cover my mouth when I cough and I breathe, you can have your airway clogged by water, so I'm sure webbing can do it. Do you not like Spiderman to have any advantages in these matches? And again I'm not even giving him the majority, I'm speaking truth.
Answer this question. On spiderman and sabertooth last encounter (when spiderman was aided by punisher) why did spiderman almost die, why was spiderman at sabertooth mercy. This was a pre upgraded sabertooth that almost killed spiderman. Sabertooth with his upgrades would laugh at spiderman effort and would just walk off to find a challenge. Spiderman strength dont mean nothing in this fight, his webbing dont mean nothing in this fight, it didnt even hold morlun who was classified as class 20, his speed dont mean nothing in this fight because sabertooth is just as fast, his spider sense dont mean nothing in this fight (the guy has been hit by the vulture.). Nothing spiderman can do would mean anything.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why can't Sabes just cut the webs?
nothing really.. we've seen black panther cut through a webbing net that spiderman tried to hit him with...
and bp has basically the same types of claws a sabretooth. 😬
not to mention the fact that sabretooth has the brute strength to simply rip apart whatever he's webbed to...
example, the x men put sabretooth in admantium chains so he tore down the walls that they were connected to to break free.
Originally posted by Alfheim
That seems reasonable in an urban envinronment there are lots of things that Spiderman could sue to his advantage. Sabretooth maybe fast but he is not as fast as Spiderman and does not have the mobility.Spiderman could eventually find a way to trap him, but to be quite honest with you I think even if Sabretooth was trapped and Spiderman pummeled away at him I dont think it would do anything.
I dont think immobilising somebody is a win on this forum, but it should be.
it honestly wouldn't....
again sabretooth's NORMAL skeleton with a limited healing factor was able to compensate for nearly everything ms. marvel dished out at him.
He was able to noncholantly shrugg off rougues attacks...
with an admantium skeleton he's laughed off sasquatch repeatedly punching him in the face...
spiderman couldn't affect wolverine with everything he had, the second time all he got out off wolverine was a "that really hurts" and wolvie stood up right after like nothng happened... he'll be doing ziltch to sabretooth.
Originally posted by jinzin
it honestly wouldn't....again sabretooth's NORMAL skeleton with a limited healing factor was able to compensate for nearly everything ms. marvel dished out at him.
He was able to noncholantly shrugg off rougues attacks...with an admantium skeleton he's laughed off sasquatch repeatedly punching him in the face...
spiderman couldn't affect wolverine with everything he had, the second time all he got out off wolverine was a "that really hurts" and wolvie stood up right after like nothng happened... he'll be doing ziltch to sabretooth.
agreed
Enter rabid Wolverine supporter who took my argument, and misconstrued it in the glory of his character. Like I predicted would happen.
Originally posted by carver9Are we playing the featwar game? Spiderman's webbing has held stronger than class 20, and can we go back to where Morlun was classified at only that much? Go and statistically prove to me that Sabes is class 20 since you made that claim on Morlun, go and then prove that 120,000 lb per square meter tensile strength webbing wouldn't be able to support someone when they can't muster the inertia.
Answer this question. On spiderman and sabertooth last encounter (when spiderman was aided by punisher) why did spiderman almost die, why was spiderman at sabertooth mercy. This was a pre upgraded sabertooth that almost killed spiderman. Sabertooth with his upgrades would laugh at spiderman effort and would just walk off to find a challenge. Spiderman strength dont mean nothing in this fight, his webbing dont mean nothing in this fight, it didnt even hold morlun who was classified as class 20, his speed dont mean nothing in this fight because sabertooth is just as fast, his spider sense dont mean nothing in this fight (the guy has been hit by the vulture.). Nothing spiderman can do would mean anything.
And where am I saying he can win the majority? I'm saying the webbing cuts of his inertia then he isn't cutting off anything. All you guys are doing is the "let's play low feats for the opponent" game. Which is kinda silly seeing as Wolverine has been webbed before, so I imagine Sabes could too?
Why wouldn't the Spidersense matter, when it has helped him against speedsters? Is it because you want Spiderman to be a loser that can't hold his own against the Vulture, but then you want Wolverine/Sabretooth to be characters that stand up to the Hulk with no problem?
Featwars are fanboy arguments. And preupgraded Sabretooth got his ass handed to him by characters like DD and Black Cat way back in the day.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Enter rabid Wolverine supporter who took my argument, and misconstrued it in the glory of his character. Like I predicted would happen.Are we playing the featwar game? Spiderman's webbing has held stronger than class 20, and can we go back to where Morlun was classified at only that much? Go and statistically prove to me that Sabes is class 20 since you made that claim on Morlun, go and then prove that 120,000 lb per square meter tensile strength webbing wouldn't be able to support someone when they can't muster the inertia.
And where am I saying he can win the majority? I'm saying the webbing cuts of his inertia then he isn't cutting off anything. All you guys are doing is the "let's play low feats for the opponent" game. Which is kinda silly seeing as Wolverine has been webbed before, so I imagine Sabes could too?
Why wouldn't the Spidersense matter, when it has helped him against speedsters? Is it because you want Spiderman to be a loser that can't hold his own against the Vulture, but then you want Wolverine/Sabretooth to be characters that stand up to the Hulk with no problem?
Featwars are fanboy arguments. And preupgraded Sabretooth got his ass handed to him by characters like DD and Black Cat way back in the day.
You just dont get it do you. The reason why I brought up spiderman spider sense is because it is a great power, against someone that dont have any kind of speed. Im not trying to low show spiderman but Im tired of people keep bringing up the fact that spiderman can dance around people when he cant. Wolverine has low showing, sabertooth has low showings but all in all, I think that wolverine and sabes can take spiderman.
Now its time for me to go to the reason why I think they would win. Its 1 reason and one reason only, actually 2. Wolverine and sabes are just as fast as spiderman and they would be able to get that fatal swipe, whereas spiderman strength wont do anything to the other 2.
Wolverine has sat there (marvel knights #13) and let an enraged spiderman punch on him all day and didnt show a sign of pain or didnt even bruise.
Wolverine (on a roof top) has also beat the crap out of spiderman easily and could have killed him bu let him go. Now this battle revolves around sabertooth, someone who is wolverine equal but stronger, faster, more deadlier, has all the senses that wolverine has, and can fight just as good as wolverine and you think that spiderman can beat him. Sabertooth is classified as having 15 ton strength thanks to weapon x. He dont even need to pull his claws out, he can go fist to fist with spiderman and still manage to win.
I can safely say that sabertooth fighting ability is almost on par with captain america and cap seem to whip spiderman a**. Like I said before and Im going to say again, pre upgraded sabertooth almost killed spiderman, what makes you think that spiderman has a chance against an upgraded sabertooth. This is how the fight would go, sabertooth sees spiderman, smiles, then stand there and let spiderman punch him in the face and say "you won" and walk off to find wolverine, a better fight.
Originally posted by carver9
You just dont get it do you. The reason why I brought up spiderman spider sense is because it is a great power, against someone that dont have any kind of speed. Im not trying to low show spiderman but Im tired of people keep bringing up the fact that spiderman can dance around people when he cant. Wolverine has low showing, sabertooth has low showings but all in all, I think that wolverine and sabes can take spiderman.Now its time for me to go to the reason why I think they would win. Its 1 reason and one reason only, actually 2. Wolverine and sabes are just as fast as spiderman and they would be able to get that fatal swipe, whereas spiderman strength wont do anything to the other 2.
Wolverine has sat there (marvel knights #13) and let an enraged spiderman punch on him all day and didnt show a sign of pain or didnt even bruise.
Wolverine (on a roof top) has also beat the crap out of spiderman easily and could have killed him bu let him go. Now this battle revolves around sabertooth, someone who is wolverine equal but stronger, faster, more deadlier, has all the senses that wolverine has, and can fight just as good as wolverine and you think that spiderman can beat him. Sabertooth is classified as having 15 ton strength thanks to weapon x. He dont even need to pull his claws out, he can go fist to fist with spiderman and still manage to win.
I can safely say that sabertooth fighting ability is almost on par with captain america and cap seem to whip spiderman a**. Like I said before and Im going to say again, pre upgraded sabertooth almost killed spiderman, what makes you think that spiderman has a chance against an upgraded sabertooth. This is how the fight would go, sabertooth sees spiderman, smiles, then stand there and let spiderman punch him in the face and say "you won" and walk off to find wolverine, a better fight.
1. Wolverine is not just as fast as Spiderman, nor is Sabretooth. The stronger a muscle is in a body in proportion to its weight, the faster it moves. Sabes is much closer to Spiderman obviously, but definitely not Logan.
2. You want to go by crossovers? And then misinterpret them? Spiderman swatted Wolverine away in a showing against the entire xmen. Spiderman webbed up Wolverine.....
You know what, I'm starting to think this is a tactic done by Wolverine supporters to drag people who are only saying something about Spiderman into a long, boring, featwar. Where we use low showings for Spiderman's speed, but not for their durability/healing.
This is pointless and horribly off topic, Sabretooth isn't as good as a fighter as Captain America either. And NO speed, no you're trying to make Spiderman out to be someone who can't outdodge anyone when he dodges multiple villans while he's not even serious. But I bet if I said Wolverine isn't as fast as you guys made him out to be you would immediately bring bullet-jobbing feats into play wouldn't you?
I bet if I gave Sabretooth or Wolverine precog in a theoretical thread, he'd become godlike in that thread wouldn't he?
But on topic, I'm not arguing him punching Sabretooth, I'm arguing him able to web him, and he is in certain instances capable of doing so. And until someone can come up with a FACTUAL reason and representation of why he can do that, instead of exaggerating his strength and denying it, then I'm not going to waste my time with this thread.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
1. Wolverine is not just as fast as Spiderman, nor is Sabretooth. The stronger a muscle is in a body in proportion to its weight, the faster it moves. Sabes is much closer to Spiderman obviously, but definitely not Logan.
2. You want to go by crossovers? And then misinterpret them? Spiderman swatted Wolverine away in a showing against the entire xmen. Spiderman webbed up Wolverine.....You know what, I'm starting to think this is a tactic done by Wolverine supporters to drag people who are only saying something about Spiderman into a long, boring, featwar. Where we use low showings for Spiderman's speed, but not for their durability/healing.
This is pointless and horribly off topic, Sabretooth isn't as good as a fighter as Captain America either. And NO speed, no you're trying to make Spiderman out to be someone who can't outdodge anyone when he dodges multiple villans while he's not even serious. But I bet if I said Wolverine isn't as fast as you guys made him out to be you would immediately bring bullet-jobbing feats into play wouldn't you?
I bet if I gave Sabretooth or Wolverine precog in a theoretical thread, he'd become godlike in that thread wouldn't he?
But on topic, I'm not arguing him punching Sabretooth, I'm arguing him able to web him, and he is in certain instances capable of doing so. And until someone can come up with a FACTUAL reason and representation of why he can do that, instead of exaggerating his strength and denying it, then I'm not going to waste my time with this thread.
Im not saying that youre wrong and Im not saying that youre right. People have there opinions and no matter what I say or what I do, Im not going to change your opinion and I respect that but there havent been any instances in comics that have proven to me that spiderman can beat wolverine or sabertooth. I have witness wolverine beating spiderman but never the opposite. Also batman has tossed and kicked hulk in the stomach, hes also tossed superman to the side but does that mean that he can beat either. So why bring up spiderman tossing wolverine to the side, who hasnt tossed wolverine to the side, he aint nothing but 5'3 and weight 300 lbs, its not hard, a deer did it. Does that mean that everybody can beat him, no. The point that Im trying to make is that when spiderman fight fighters he do a terrible job. Ex... elektra beat him, Silver samarai beat him, captain america beat him, daredevil beat him, even king pin beat him, low level fighters like king pin even beat him. The reason why these people beat him is because even though spiderman has a spidersense they are tactical fighters and they finds ways of over coming obsticles. If you gave wolverine or sabertooth a spider sense, no I wouldnt think that they were a god, they dont need it, they have enhanced senses of there own. Also in the marvel directory it states that sabertooth has mastered multiples of unarmed combat. His fighting experience is at 6 while caps is at 7, that seems pretty close to me. Do you want to know where king pin fighting experience is at, its at 3 and he beat spiderman up physically. Do you want to know where kraven fighting experience is at, its at 4 and he beat spiderman up physically. Do you want to know where vultures is at, its at 1, which means that he dont have any training under his belt and he land licks off of spiderman. Do you get what Im trying to tell you, sabertooth has more than a chance of getting to spiderman and doing what he want to him but thats all it would take is a good swipe and the fight is over. Sabertooth has dodge bullets, punches, laser beams, cyclops optic blast, and this is pre upgraded sabes, so why couldnt he dodge spiderman webbing. I might need to find a partner for spiderman in this fight, maybe he'll win then. Cant think of noone yet but I'll find someone that could assist him.