replay of what is going to happen to spiderman but it will be sabertooth on the other end.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8336167
Here is spiderman speed display, lets all take a look.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735842
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735846
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735849
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4098413
Uh, Spidey wasn't even trying there or even serious, as it says he thought Wolverine was a normal human in abilities.
Here are more accurate displays of Spider-mans speed and agility...
Spidey dodging a bullet.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6506479
Dodging blasts from Iron Man (Wolverine present and stunned):
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dodge2rz5.jpg
Reed Richards astonished by how fast Spider-man is. (never heard such a comment about Wolverine.)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8447506
Lastly:
Spidey moving faster than a bunch of people (WOLVERINE included)
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6906/bio0058en.jpg
Originally posted by Soljer
And guess who agrees with him?Well, pretty much EVERYONE who is
A) Sensibleand
B) Not riding the Wolverine backlash.
glare fanboyish assumptions aside, I love wolvie but he doesn't take down Spidey unless he is exhausted and/or unless his spider-sense malfunctions big time, and he has no webbing.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Id go so far as to say Wolverine AND Sabretooth couldn't even catch Spidey working together.....assuming Spidey can move as normal.His Spider-sense would always warn him.
Apparently sabrettoth is faster than Wolverine. Ive seens scans of him totally owning Wolverine. Ive also seen him dodging Omega Reds tentacles and owning him.
Sabretooth is pretty ****ing dangerous.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
glare fanboyish assumptions aside, I love wolvie but he doesn't take down Spidey unless he is exhausted and/or unless his spider-sense malfunctions big time, and he has no webbing.
How so?
Let us play the counting game...
How many punches would Spiderman need to land on Wolverine to put him down?
One... two... three... four.... five... six... seven... eight... nine... ten... eleven... twelve.... thirteen....
Need I go on?
Now, on the alternate side, how many claw swipes/stabs will it take to pretty much take Spiderman out of commission?
One....
Err...
One.
Is Wolverine as fast as Spiderman? Of course not. Is he fast enough to fight Spiderman? Certainly. The gap between them exists, but it is not gargantuan. Wolverine's dodged bullets, lasers, he's speedblitzed groups of trained, armed men without taking a hit, he fought off TONS of ninjas, without them landing a single hit.
Spiderman's crazy fast. He's pretty much the fastest 'street' character there is. But he isn't so fast that the likes of Wolverine and Captain America would be entirely unable to react. They won't get speedblitzed. They'll be able to make it a fight - they'll be able to land some hits of their own.
And, in Wolverine's case, it'll only take one.
Now, let me amend this statement, because this only goes for Spiderman fighting Wolverine up-close. That neglects his biggest advantage; webbing.
With a smart utilization of webbing, Spiderman can win 10/10 against Wolverine.
However, if he goes and tries to make it a melee confrontation, he'll likely lose 10/10 to Wolverine. 😬.
The same can't be said for Sabretooth, who is faster than Wolverine, strong enough to break whatever he is webbed to, and has adamantium claws much more suited to cutting through webbing than Wolverine does. Webbing won't stop Sabretooth nearly as easily as it'd stop Wolverine.
Originally posted by SoljerThe same can't be said for Sabretooth, who is faster than Wolverine, strong enough to break whatever he is webbed to, and has adamantium claws much more suited to cutting through webbing than Wolverine does. Webbing won't stop Sabretooth nearly as easily as it'd stop Wolverine.
I would agree Soljer, only I would add that Parker is agile enough to avoid any vital strikes, and ingenious enough to pull off a creative enough use of webbing to encase Sabretooth.
Originally posted by Soljer
With a smart utilization of webbing, Spiderman can win 10/10 against Wolverine.However, if he goes and tries to make it a melee confrontation, he'll likely lose 10/10 to Wolverine. 😬.
Id agree with all of that.
Originally posted by Soljer
The same can't be said for Sabretooth, who is faster than Wolverine, strong enough to break whatever he is webbed to, and has adamantium claws much more suited to cutting through webbing than Wolverine does. Webbing won't stop Sabretooth nearly as easily as it'd stop Wolverine.
Yeah but as somebody pointed out in an urban envinronment Spiderman would have the advantage. Spiderman is more mobile and if he keeps the distance im sure he could find a way to web him. Sabretooth might be able to use his claws to get through the webbing but with pure strength I dont think so.
In other words he he webs Sabres hands so he cant use the claws Spiderman could win.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Id agree with all of that.Yeah but as somebody pointed out in an urban envinronment Spiderman would have the advantage. Spiderman is more mobile and if he keeps the distance im sure he could find a way to web him. Sabretooth might be able to use his claws to get through the webbing but with pure strength I dont think so.
In other words he he webs Sabres hands so he cant use the claws Spiderman could win.
He'd have an advantage, certainly. But he'd be more hard pressed to utilize it than normal.
I mean, I can touch my wrist with my fingers, so Spiderman won't really be able to just web Sabretooth's wrists the way he could Wolverine's. He can't web the claws themselves, as they'd just slice through it.
I suppose if he could web both of Sabretooth's forearms together before Sabretooth could react, it'd work. But...Spiderman isn't THAT much faster than Sabretooth.
He could web Sabretooth to a wall or some such, but Creed is strong enough to break the wall to pieces. 😬.
Meh, Webbing and the Urban environment are BIG advantages to give Spidey the edge, but I don't think they're enough to clench a DECISIVE victory over Creed, whereas they ARE enough to win decisively over Wolverine.
Also - in response to horrorwolf; you're right. As far as melee goes, Spiderman IS agile enough to dodge a few vital strikes. But EVERY single one? Coming from an opponent who isn't much slower, but is MUCH better trained? Especially when it'll only take ONE good hit to put Spidey down? I'm not nearly as confident.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Regarding speed, Sabretooth is nowhere near as agile and quick as Spider-man.And the Web situation:
It depends on how the webbing is used. If Spidey were to web his hands/fists, then arms, then shoulders etc, Sabre has no range of movement in which to break free, and no exposed claws (web covered) to cut. Spidey can definitely dodge, and kick out webbing faster than Sabre can cut though anyways. In minutes, he'd look like a wiggling moron.In jumps Spidey and its clobbering time. He could re-inforce the webbing, or go in for some extreme blows.
Regeneration does not help against KO's or decapitation. And Spidey can pretty much read Sabretooths movements in advance with Spider sense.Keep in mind I'm not saying Sabre has no chance, it just lesser odds - like 3/10 due to spideys mobility, and spider-sense.s
Agreed. And Parker has the right mix of fighting and defensive ability as well as an edge in ingeniuity and smarts to do it.
Spiderman is also physically stronger than either of those two.
Stronger+Faster usually results in a sound a**whooping by default.
Sounds about right, honestly. Except for your first sentence. The gap between Spidey and Wolverine in speed is not gargantuan. It's not insurmountable. And considering that Sabretooth is even faster than Wolverine, the gap between HIM and Spidey is even smaller.
But, indeed, if Spiderman goes all-out-webbing-route, he'll likely pull off the majority against Sabretooth.
Though, that seems a little out of character for Spidey, and the combatants on the forum are still supposed to fight in character, yes? Spidey seems much more likely to, perhaps, try the webbing route half-assed at the beginning (like he normally does, with three easily dodge-able/slice-able strands) and then try to take it to Sabretooth close up, where he'll get decimated.
Meh.
Originally posted by horrorwolfStronger+Faster usually results in a sound a**whooping by default.
Usually.
But not when your opponent is vastly more skilled, vastly more durable, and your advantages in speed and strength are quite small.
The difference between class fifteen and twenty strength isn't huge. And the difference between Spiderman's speed and Sabretooth's speed is near-negligible.
