I just cant see Spiderman winning...what about this type of webbing. This seems different from his other type of webbing. It seems that it could be difficult to handle because its not stringey its like quick drying cement and therefore it would be difficult to use your claws on...its like trying to cut water.
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanvsblob16xu.jpg
Then again I dont think thats his standard webbing.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I just cant see Spiderman winning...what about this type of webbing. This seems different from his other type of webbing. It seems that it could be difficult to handle because its not stringey its like quick drying cement and therefore it would be difficult to use your claws on...its like trying to cut water.http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanvsblob16xu.jpg
Then again I dont think thats his standard webbing.
Looked like his standard webbing to me.
Well, back in the day. Spidey doesn't use web cartridges anymore - his webbing's organic now.
Just stop with this thread, spidey loses this everytime. Lets compare black tarantula and sabertooth.
Black tarantula and sabertooth strength are about equal, so i cant argue there.
Durability, sabertooth has the edge. (healing factor, adamantium bones).
Speed, roughly about the same, spiderman was a little faster than black tarantula.
Fighting skills, sabertooth wins this hands down, trained his entire life and know almost all the fighting styles on the planet. Quoted by the handbook.
Black tarantula had a blast that he shot from his eyes but sabertooth has super hearing, smell, and sight.
Sabertooth is black tarantula but better.
Sabertooth has fought the xfactor, xforce, xmen, excaliber, alpha flight and beat the hell out someone who is superior to spiderman or black tarantula, omega red.
Now lets go to morlun.
Sabertooth is just plain out better than morlun. Morlun has him by strength but thats about it. Sabertooth has a healing factor, whereas morlun is quiet durable but sabertooth could last longer in any durability test.
Sabertooth is faster, more deadlier and more skilled, almost as strong has super human senses, hes everything that morlun wish he could be and morlun curbed stomped spidey.
If morlun was a wolverine or sabertooth enemy he would killed. Spiderman cannot dodge wolverine or sabertooth and Im sorry you all but I just cant see spiderman beating wolverine like you say that he can. Spiderman cant even fight kraven h2h, what the hell is he going to do to wolverine or sabes.
Originally posted by carver9
Just stop with this thread, spidey loses this everytime. Lets compare black tarantula and sabertooth.Black tarantula and sabertooth strength are about equal, so i cant argue there.
Durability, sabertooth has the edge. (healing factor, adamantium bones).
Speed, roughly about the same, spiderman was a little faster than black tarantula.
Fighting skills, sabertooth wins this hands down, trained his entire life and know almost all the fighting styles on the planet. Quoted by the handbook.Black tarantula had a blast that he shot from his eyes but sabertooth has super hearing, smell, and sight.
Sabertooth is black tarantula but better.
Sabertooth has fought the xfactor, xforce, xmen, excaliber, alpha flight and beat the hell out someone who is superior to spiderman or black tarantula, omega red.
Now lets go to morlun.
Sabertooth is just plain out better than morlun. Morlun has him by strength but thats about it. Sabertooth has a healing factor, whereas morlun is quiet durable but sabertooth could last longer in any durability test.
Sabertooth is faster, more deadlier and more skilled, almost as strong has super human senses, hes everything that morlun wish he could be and morlun curbed stomped spidey.
If morlun was a wolverine or sabertooth enemy he would killed. Spiderman cannot dodge wolverine or sabertooth and Im sorry you all but I just cant see spiderman beating wolverine like you say that he can. Spiderman cant even fight kraven h2h, what the hell is he going to do to wolverine or sabes.
So Sabertooth is class 30 now??
BT was faster than Spider-man, and sabertooth seems on par with Spidey so BT is still faster.
I agree Sabertooth is more durable but only due to the healing factor seeing as he can soak up damage, but BT can take more before he is "hurt"
And how can you compare super sense to a "optic blast"?? They are so different its stupid.
But yeah Sabertooth's fighting skill is def above BT.
As for Sabertooth wins hands down every time I don't agree with that yes he wins 8/10 at most 9/10 but Spider-man can pull a win due to webbing and mobility but its not likely he's going to be able to do this more than once, as he needs to web Sabertooth in a way where he can't get leverage with his strength or claws his way out.
Sabretooth is class 30 now? I thought carver just said he was class 15.
Originally posted by jinzin
just a question here: but, what do you mean by statistically prove?
is the fact that sabretooth and spiderman are on the same statistical strength level on the marvel power chart the proof you're asking for here?
Originally posted by jinzinThese are featwars, stipulations don't count. 😛 (they sure don't for Spiderman) And Wolverine beats Sabretooth more often, so that must mean he's less menacing than Wolverine.
just thought I'd point out:
dd didn't hand sabretooth his ass.. it ended with sabretooth going nuts and running amok through the tunnels with DD too injured to follow.
and black cat had newfound superpowers rivaling spiderman's so it was well within her ability to put down creed who didn't even have a healing factor written into his character yet.
Originally posted by SoljerI don't belive Spiderman going full out fast would allow them to land very many "good hits", not if he is at the top of his game. Because Spiderman doesn't go full out, especially against Peaks/mild superhumans. He hardly tries for the most part.
How so?Let us play the counting game...
How many punches would Spiderman need to land on Wolverine to put him down?
One... two... three... four.... five... six... seven... eight... nine... ten... eleven... twelve.... thirteen....
Need I go on?
Now, on the alternate side, how many claw swipes/stabs will it take to pretty much take Spiderman out of commission?
One....
Err...
One.
Is Wolverine as fast as Spiderman? Of course not. Is he fast enough to fight Spiderman? Certainly. The gap between them exists, but it is not gargantuan. Wolverine's dodged bullets, lasers, he's speedblitzed groups of trained, armed men without taking a hit, he fought off TONS of ninjas, without them landing a single hit.
Spiderman's crazy fast. He's pretty much the fastest 'street' character there is. But he isn't so fast that the likes of Wolverine and Captain America would be entirely unable to react. They won't get speedblitzed. They'll be able to make it a fight - they'll be able to land some hits of their own.
And, in Wolverine's case, it'll only take one.
Now, let me amend this statement, because this only goes for Spiderman fighting Wolverine up-close. That neglects his biggest advantage; webbing.
With a smart utilization of webbing, Spiderman can win 10/10 against Wolverine.
However, if he goes and tries to make it a melee confrontation, he'll likely lose 10/10 to Wolverine. 😬.
The same can't be said for Sabretooth, who is faster than Wolverine, strong enough to break whatever he is webbed to, and has adamantium claws much more suited to cutting through webbing than Wolverine does. Webbing won't stop Sabretooth nearly as easily as it'd stop Wolverine.
His claws have less length and can't cover his body like Wolverine's, so he is a larger target as well.
I also don't agree about the Spiderman losing 10/10 against Wolverine melee (just because he got in close), so what that he can kill Spiderman in one hit, so could Ock, or Carnage. One false move and his head is removed with ease. Wolverine just doesn't get many fatal swipes in comics against top-notch heroes, so if we are going to act like they are in comics (like you said) we can't really rely on the fatal swipe, because they really haven't fatally swiped any top notch players. Ever. In fact they have shown having little problems dodging the claws, or just taking small hits, it's not like they go "Wolverine, oh no I'm going to die if I get hit once, so I'd better not fight him!!"
Furthermore Sabes can't break a wall he's webbed to, because he wouldn't have the leverage.
Originally posted by Lord RockI wouldn't give him a 9.9 Depends on the setting, and the negation of a wall stalemate. But not a 9.9, but the majority in a setting that is in his favor.
Sabretooth wins this one. It will be a pretty long fight, but only because of Spidermans spider sense and reflexes. Sabretooth have won before they even starts. After some time, he will catch Spiderman and Spiderman is doomed.
Sabretooth 9.9/10, for the minimal chance of a knock-out
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I wouldn\'t give him a 9.9 Depends on the setting, and the negation of a wall stalemate. But not a 9.9, but the majority in a setting that is in his favor.
You may be right. A determining factor when Spiderman fights is the surroundings. I saw them fighting on a flat landscape. But even with walls, Sabretooth should be strong enough to just barely break free. Bear over with me if i am wrong, but i am not completely sure of the level of strenght in Spidermans webs.
Originally posted by Lord RockThat's simply for the sake of the story. No different than you see Wolverine slicing superpowered opponents in one hit. 😉
Then it could be a stalemate if Spiderman webbed him, but i dont usually see Spiderman webbing superpowered opponents, and i dont think a furious and strong foe like Sabretooth just will let him web him😉
But his webbing is strong enough to hold him is my point.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That\'s simply for the sake of the story. No different than you see Wolverine slicing superpowered opponents in one hit. 😉But his webbing is strong enough to hold him is my point.
I agree with you that the web can hold Sabretooth. I just dont think Spidey will get the oppurtunity to web him to a wall😄
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Nope, because you and I know full well that the same chart has Wolverine on the same level of strength as well.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
These are featwars, stipulations don't count. 😛 (they sure don't for Spiderman)
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And Wolverine beats Sabretooth more often, so that must mean he's less menacing than Wolverine.
wolverine doesn't beat sabretooth more often. 😕
Originally posted by jinzinDoes he lift twenty tons? No.
then I ask for clarification. What "statistical" data are you reffering to?I'm not really trying to have a featwar with you here, I was just correcting some things you stated.
wolverine doesn't beat sabretooth more often. 😕
You didn't correct it, all I stated was the outcome.
He does get more on-panel victories in both universes.
Originally posted by Soljer
Correction; he shouldn't.
Originally posted by SoljerNope, though I know riceroost tried to make it appear that way.. sabretooth holds a 10 or 11 advantage to wolverine's 6 or 7. And several of those victories for wolverine were off panal even.
I'm not going to pretend to be more knowledgeable than you where Wolverine is concerned, but aren't most of the on-panel victories Logan's?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Does he lift twenty tons?
but anyways... you didn't answer my question.. what standard of "statistical evidence" do you need to consider carver's claim as proven?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You didn't correct it, all I stated was the outcome.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Featwars are fanboy arguments. And preupgraded Sabretooth got his ass handed to him by characters like DD and Black Cat way back in the day.
DD never handed sabretooth his ass.. 😐
the fight ended as stated.. sabretooth running around in the morlock tunnels and DD too injured to follow...
hell the only reason black cat beat sabretooth was through sheer luck.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He does get more on-panel victories in both universes.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And Wolverine beats Sabretooth more often, so that must mean he's less menacing than Wolverine.
is an erroneous one.
😬
So why would he flee Jinzin? (Sabes vs. DD)
Originally posted by jinzinHe does hold the winning advantage, even Srank said that. And you agreed with him before, WHEN he said it, now you are shifting again.
Further correction; he doesn't AND he shouldn't.Nope, though I know riceroost tried to make it appear that way.. sabretooth holds a 10 or 11 advantage to wolverine's 6 or 7. And several of those victories for wolverine were off panal even.
