The Punisher versus The Terminator

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well... hypothetically speaking you might be able to damage him enough if you found an acid that worked... however given the fact that its nanites and if they are indeed molecular then you're using molecues to fight molecue sized things.

What so acid doesnt affect things on the molecular level, now?

Originally posted by Creshosk

For all we know the nanites would be able to pull the molecues of the acid apart and store them to be used on Frank. The heat from the molten metal .. well if you know what heat is it works on a slightly smaller scale that just molecular to at least an atomic level if not smaller...

Its not very phesable given the limited knowledge that we have.

Well that could have applied to the molten metal as well.

Originally posted by Creshosk

You're still facing a problem in your scenerio of finding what he needs.

What acid would he be using, where is he going to get it? I won't accept a "He's the punisher! He'll find a way." Because the point of these debates is for YOU to find a way.

Look im too tired to go into detail. I already explained that I didnt say that hes the Punisher he can do it I gave a list of superhumans he captured. Its not the same damn thing as saying hes Frank....do I have to explain this again?

Originally posted by Creshosk

So if there is always doubt then its not doubtful that Frank's plan might not work.

And remember it has to have Iron in it for it to be ferrious... That's why Iron is Fe

ferrous means "Made of iron." If its made of titanium or some other alloy(mixture of metals) it's not going to be ferrous.

Well apparently you can but obvoulsy thats just somebodies opinion.

Originally posted by Soljer
EMP grenades. Which are, in and of themselves, entirely unlikely to work.

Liquid nitrogen, which Frank is VERY unlikely to run across in the necessary volumes. Not to mention the fact that it WOULDN'T STOP THE DAMNED THING!

Did you notice how the T-1000 was, again, slowed but not beaten?

And, lastly, acid vats, which would need to be the strongest acid known to man, need to be of the appropriate type, need to even be able to affect the molecular machines that comprise the Terminator.

In other words, alfheim and yourself are grasping. at. straws.

EMP grenades, which are in and themselves, entirely likely to work (see how effective arguments are when you just state something with NO reason?)

T1000 wasnt destroyed by freezing becuase they were idiots and chose to break him apart and allow him to melt.

It's funny, you're saying we dont know what type of substance T1000 is and therefore we're not sure what kind of acid would damage him...yet you speak with conviction that only the strongest acid would damage him....inconsistency?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which fallacy? If you're going to call one then tell me which one is that? 🙂

i forget the exact name of the fallacy, but its the one where you make assumption about an entire class based on small sample

ie. I saw 3 fat Americans, therefore ALL americans must be fat

Originally posted by Alfheim
What so acid doesnt affect things on the molecular level, now?

If we, with the omniscience of the narrator, don't know the answers to these questions, Frank won't either. As creshok has repeated "The punisher'll figure it out!" is not an acceptable argument.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No we have not concluded that the acid will dissolve the T-1000... What metal is it made out of? What acid are you using?

WE dont know all the facts because I did not create the damn thing. All I did was create a scenrio in which it could possibly work.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Or are you once again pulling shit out of your ass and saying this is the way things work? Like hulk being able to just flex and use energy attacks?

I said he could create pressure waves. Dont start any **** your the one who said Wolverine didnt expect to get hit by Namor im not insulting you see it keep it calm.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Dissolve technicly isn't the right word, its more of accelerationg oxidization, which as was said before we don't know if it would work on a t-1000 because we don't know the material its made of so we don't know the oxidization properties of it.

You can't say that something has been concluded when it hasn't.

Hell everything carries an electric charge because there is electricity acting as the bonds in all things.

The site specifiaclly stated ferrous metals.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What so acid doesnt affect things on the molecular level, now?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well that could have applied to the molten metal as well.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Look im too tired to go into detail. I already explained that I didnt say that hes the Punisher he can do it I gave a list of superhumans he captured. Its not the same damn thing as saying hes Frank....do I have to explain this again?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well apparently you can but obvoulsy thats just somebodies opinion.

Originally posted by masterbruce
EMP grenades, which are in and themselves, entirely likely to work (see how effective arguments are when you just state something with NO reason?)

T1000 wasnt destroyed by freezing becuase they were idiots and chose to break him apart and allow him to melt.

It's funny, you're saying we dont know what type of substance T1000 is and therefore we're not sure what kind of acid would damage him...yet you speak with conviction that only the strongest acid would damage him....inconsistency?

I thought you were past the age where you needed your superiors to repeat something to you to get it through your skull. I already explained why EMP grenades are unlikely to work. Read back if your memory really is that shit.

The T-1000 would have melted anyways. With a larger surface area, it would have taken a little longer, but 'melting' is 'melting.'

Assuming that he was made of the same alloys of steel that skynet has used, it would take a very specific acid in inordinately high molarities to damage him.

Assuming he is made of something far less stable (which is just as likely), the Punisher will still have to find high molarity acid of a specific type and capture and submerge the terminator for an extended period of time.

And no one, as of yet, has given any reasonable way for the Punisher to even find the terminator, much less a plausible way for him to capture the terminator, MUCH MUCH less a way for the Punisher to do all this while STILL not getting stabbed in the brain. 😐.

Originally posted by Alfheim
WE dont know all the facts because I did not create the damn thing. All I did was create a scenrio in which it could possibly work.

Synonymous with "making up bullshit because I want Frank. Bad."

Originally posted by masterbruce
EMP grenades, which are in and themselves, entirely likely to work (see how effective arguments are when you just state something with NO reason?)

Originally posted by masterbruce
T1000 wasnt destroyed by freezing becuase they were idiots and chose to break him apart and allow him to melt.

It's funny, you're saying we dont know what type of substance T1000 is and therefore we're not sure what kind of acid would damage him...yet you speak with conviction that only the strongest acid would damage him....inconsistency?

"Stongest" simply means that it has the highest degree of effect on the most materials. So no, no inconsistency.

as stated by alfheim previously, Punisher doesn't need to find T1000

he just needs to run to an empty factory and wait for t1000 to come to him

Originally posted by Soljer
Did I say that? I was implying that it's doubtful that an INTELLIGENT molecule would be affected the same way an inanimate one would be.

.....and what? So it dindt portect itself from the explosive round or molten metal did it.

Originally posted by Soljer

Further, you STILL haven't answered the crucial questions. If you want to use this route of argument; tell me, what is the terminator comprised of? What acid would frank need? In what quantities? In what concentration? How would frank go about even finding, much less capturing, an opponent who can be invisible at will? How long will it take the acid?

Of course I dont know the exact details. Were talking about a fctional machine arent we but that still doesnt change the fcat that it could work. If I had said from the beginning that it will work without a doubt I desrved to be called a fanboy.

Originally posted by Soljer

If we, with the omniscience of the narrator, don't know the answers to these questions, Frank won't either. As creshok has repeated "The punisher'll figure it out!" is not an acceptable argument.

What dont you get it. What exactly did I say I provided an explanation. What was it?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Prove it. You're making a claim to the positive, so the burden of proof is on your shoulders.

EMP grenades would fuq up the bonds between the nanites as they are reliant upon very accurate electron bonding to work.

basically T1000 would turn to mush after being hit by an EMP.

Originally posted by Alfheim
WE dont know all the facts because I did not create the damn thing. All I did was create a scenrio in which it could possibly work.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I said he could create pressure waves.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Dont start any **** your the one who said Wolverine didnt expect to get hit by Namor im not insulting you see it keep it calm.

Originally posted by Alfheim
The site specifiaclly stated ferrous metals.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Are you even capable of understanding what I'm saying? Or do you pretend that I'm saying things other than what I type?

Look either keep your scarcastic comments to yourself or **** off....ok?

Originally posted by Creshosk

Which is an example of your total lack of comprehension of physics.

You do know that everything that move creates a pressure wave right?

Originally posted by Soljer
I thought you were past the age where you needed your superiors to repeat something to you to get it through your skull. I already explained why EMP grenades are unlikely to work. Read back if your memory really is that shit.

yeah, you claimed it was shielded, which I proved to be an unfounded assumption and therefore cannot be used.

Originally posted by masterbruce
as stated by alfheim previously, Punisher doesn't need to find T1000

he just needs to run to an empty factory and wait for t1000 to come to him

You realize that an empty factory doesn't have anything in it, since not all factories arestocked and equipped the same?

A factory that makes toys will not have the same things that they use to make steel girders.

Originally posted by Soljer
Synonymous with "making up bullshit because I want Frank. Bad."

Thats doesnt change the fcat thats its a possible scenerio. If I had said that the scenrio would have worked without a doubt I would have desrved that comment....gezzzz

Originally posted by Creshosk
And then what? What are you going to do with an empty factory?

You realize that an empty factory doesn't have anything in it, since not all factories arestocked and equipped the same?

A factory that makes toys will not have the same things that they use to make steel girders.

What so hes going to leave the factor empty and pick his nose?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Look either keep your scarcastic comments to yourself or **** off....ok?

Originally posted by Alfheim
You do know that everything that move creates a pressure wave right?

Originally posted by Alfheim
.....and what? So it dindt portect itself from the explosive round or molten metal did it.

It's a molecule, you dolt! How is it supposed to protect itself from an explosive shock? Or incredibly high temperatures? That's an environmental thing! The fact that acids function, very often, on the molecular level, with exchanges of hydrogen, hydronium, or hydroxide, MEANS that a similarly sized, but intelligent, being would be able to 'fight back' so to speak.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Of course I dont know the exact details. Were talking about a fctional machine arent we but that still doesnt change the fcat that it could work. If I had said from the beginning that it will work without a doubt I desrved to be called a fanboy.

No. It couldn't work. But the chances of it are just as likely as Frank knocking the terminator out with the straws you're grasping at.

Originally posted by Alfheim

What dont you get it. What exactly did I say I provided an explanation. What was it?

That you're either too dumb or too lazy to think of something, so you'll continue with the line of reason that "Frank'll find a way. He has the power of my love!"

Originally posted by masterbruce
yeah, you claimed it was shielded, which I proved to be an unfounded assumption and therefore cannot be used.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats doesnt change the fcat thats its a possible scenerio. Bullshit.