Storm vs Polaris

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It said "empty space" that's it.😐

Ouline the difference between "empty" and "outer" space.

As for the definitions, by the use in the scan it was pretty clear it meant space not being occupied by solid matter. That IS empty space is it not? Outer space is a pretty much a blanket term for space not in the atmosphere of a planet or star.

Actually, I don't remember if it was the blue scan on the planet or the scan of her being saved from her little burnout by the alien where it mentions empty space but either way you can clearly tell there is EM radiation throughout the area of each scan.

The distance you run with it is amazing though. I could go through the same lengths and say true, absolute empty space is nothing, therefore she can see nothing and manipulate nothing.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Ehh... I think I have enough papers to work on without having to outline two words.

As for the definitions, by the use in the scan it was pretty clear it meant space not being occupied by solid matter. That IS empty space is it not? Outer space is a pretty much a blanket term for space not in the atmosphere of a planet or star.

Actually, I don't remember if it was the blue scan on the planet or the scan of her being saved from her little burnout by the alien where it mentions empty space but either way you can clearly tell there is EM radiation throughout the area of each scan.

The distance you run with it is amazing though. I could go through the same lengths and say true, absolute empty space is nothing, therefore she can see nothing and manipulate nothing.

It said empty space, not the empty space with no solid matter.

There is only one type of empty space and that's...............empty space😐

Do you understand how you reach? 😆

And I never siad she manipulated "nothing". I found something scientific that can possibly explain what she manipulated, and it was probably something called zero-point energy.

She is atmokenetic and she "telekenetically" can manipulated just about anything to a degree to bring about a desired change.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
🙄 Not likely

Post the next page to this battle. 😉

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It said empty space, not the empty space with no solid matter.

There is only one type of empty space and that's...............empty space😐

Do you understand how you reach? 😆

And I never siad she manipulated "nothing". I found something scientific that can possibly explain what she manipulated, and it was probably something called zero-point energy.

She is atmokenetic and she "telekenetically" can manipulated just about anything to a degree to bring about a desired change.

I'm curious. If they were in empty space, how were they able to even talk to each other?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I'm curious. If they were in empty space, how were they able to even talk to each other?

Not FF 545 🙄

And anyway, to answer your question. It's comicbook.

I just love how everything has to make PERFECT real-world sense when it comes to Storm doing something.

You people are not very good at hiding your bias 😕

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Not FF 545 🙄

And anyway, to answer your question. It's comicbook.

I just love how everything has to make PERFECT real-world sense when it comes to Storm doing something.

You people are not very good at hiding your bias 😕

Funny how when it comes to Magneto, you bring up all kinds of real-world statistics to prove just how powerful he isn't.

And you are the one who said it isn't possible for the hydrogen to be ignited because there is no air in space.

I'm not biased. I actually liked Storm until I saw her being overhyped on this board.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Funny how when it comes to Magneto, you bring up all kinds of real-world statistics to prove just how powerful he isn't.

And you are the one who said it isn't possible for the hydrogen to be ignited because there is no air in space.

I'm not biased. I actually liked Storm until I saw her being overhyped on this board.

Yea, because it was brought up that Storm's GC feat was impossible therefore invalid.

I said technically Magneto's or Polaris' whole powerset is backwards and invalid since it take thousands of TRILLIONS of times more field strength to manipulate diamagnetism than it does to move large metal objects, yes, even the size of Asteroid M. Magneto sometimes struggles to move metal, yet rips people apart with ease. 😕

And the space hydrogen thing is completely invalid. You need oxygen for the reaction to occur. The attack was clearly electrical in nature. For combustion to occur you NEED OXYGEN.

Do you want them to be in space and no words be attatched to the happenings?? 🙄

If you stop liking Storm because of other people, you never really liked her to begin with.

You people reach for stupid shit on this board sometimes. 😘

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It said empty space, not the empty space with no solid matter.

There is only one type of empty space and that's...............empty space😐

Do you understand how you reach? 😆

And I never siad she manipulated "nothing". I found something scientific that can possibly explain what she manipulated, and it was probably something called zero-point energy.

You take the words "empty space" and think "that could mean she manipulates space itself if I take it too far!" but by the same reasoning I can say it means she manipulates nothing. There's no way to prove your zero point energy theory anyway since Storm has never encountered true empty space.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
You people reach for stupid shit on this board sometimes. 😘

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Because it would be redundant.

That's pretty wrong. Why else would we have to differentiate between true, absolutely empty space and like the empty space between a VCR and the surface it rests on or your arguments and plausibility.

You mean to the keyboard to rock your posts apart? I really wish I had a desk.

Point missed.

You take the words "empty space" and think "that could mean she manipulates space itself if I take it too far!" but by the same reasoning I can say it means she manipulates nothing. There's no way to prove your zero point energy theory anyway since Storm has never encountered true empty space.

I can name a couple prime candidates for that.

In an absoulute vaccum, which doesn't exist, there would be NOTHING, no ZPE. Think, before the big bang maybe?😕
It is a paradox. I can't argue absolutes or paradoxes.

What is your argument???

In empty space there is energy, energy where there seemingly is NOTHING, there is SOMETHING, and Storm manipulated it.

Absolute vacuums don't exist therfore there is no "differentiation between the two" because only one kind exist, therefore you have no argument.

And again, I never said Storm can manipulate nothingness. It would be crazy. 🙄 She would be like......The CREATOR if she can manipulate nothingness 😆

Originally posted by 2damnloud

I said technically Magneto's or Polaris' whole powerset is backwards and invalid since it take thousands of TRILLIONS of times more field strength to manipulate diamagnetism than it does to move large metal objects, yes, even the size of Asteroid M. Magneto sometimes struggles to move metal, yet rips people apart with ease. 😕

Storm sometimes struggles to dispel a hurricane yet she summons the power of the galactic core.... 😕

Originally posted by 2damnloud
What is your argument???

In empty space there is energy, energy where there seemingly is NOTHING, there is SOMETHING, and Storm manipulated it.

Absolute vacuums don't exist therfore there is no "differentiation between the two" because only one kind exist, therefore you have no argument.

And again, I never said Storm can manipulate nothingness. It would be crazy. 🙄 She would be like......The CREATOR if she can manipulate nothingness 😆

I never said you claimed that.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Yea, because it was brought up that Storm's GC feat was impossible therefore invalid.

I said technically Magneto's or Polaris' whole powerset is backwards and invalid since it take thousands of TRILLIONS of times more field strength to manipulate diamagnetism than it does to move large metal objects, yes, even the size of Asteroid M. Magneto sometimes struggles to move metal, yet rips people apart with ease. 😕

And the space hydrogen thing is completely invalid. You need oxygen for the reaction to occur. The attack was clearly electrical in nature. For combustion to occur you NEED OXYGEN.

Do you want them to be in space and no words be attatched to the happenings?? 🙄

If you stop liking Storm because of other people, you never really liked her to begin with.

You people reach for stupid shit on this board sometimes. 😘

So you NEED OXYGEN for combustion, but you don't NEED OXYGEN for these characters to breathe or even speak? Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense.

Again, you're trying to use real-world physics to explain something in a comic book, and that isn't going to work. What you believe doesn't mean a damn thing to what has been shown. What characters can do will never been repeated in the real world, so there's no point trying to apply real-world physics to it. All that matters is what the comics show, and in the comics, Storm is Magneto's b*tch.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
So you NEED OXYGEN for combustion, but you don't NEED OXYGEN for these characters to breathe or even speak? Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense.

Again, you're trying to use real-world physics to explain something in a comic book, and that isn't going to work. What you believe doesn't mean a damn thing to what has been shown. What characters can do will never been repeated in the real world, so there's no point trying to apply real-world physics to it. All that matters is what the comics show, and in the comics, Storm is Magneto's b*tch.

Shut up 😆

I wasn't the one who brought up Physics to straw grasp my way out of giving Storm her due as far as scope of power is concerned.

You don't a damn thing either.

Storm>>>>Magneto

She's shown the ability to kill him, he has hurt her via PIS.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It was that the galactic core was a one time feat. I really don't know how we got here. For this topic, it is the 'empty space" that Storm can see and manipulate is various forms of radiation.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Ambient EM energy converted into electricity.

This is false. An absolute vacuum exists as an idea, like unicorns and a toupee that doesn't get big laughs. But that doesn't really matter. What argument do I not have? That "empty space" means the EM energy in that space or there's another "empty space" to differentiate from?

Missed again.

I never said you claimed that.

Uhh, it seems you had no argument, you just argued incohenrently just to argue. 😕

And you're STILL harping on the GC which is not the sole BASIS for her degree of manipulations. It may be the highest, but not the only.

You seem to want make that my argument which is Straw man territory since I named MANY times where she has tapped the EM spectrum unaided to do big and intricate things.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Shut up 😆

I wasn't the one who brought up Physics to straw grasp my way out of giving Storm her due as far as scope of power is concerned.

You don't a damn thing either.

Storm>>>>Magneto

She's shown the ability to kill him, he has hurt her via PIS.

😆 You're pathetic. Show me where she has killed him. You posted your Storm tornado trick but you refused to show the scan after it like I asked. I've posted several times where Magneto has had Storm at his mercy and was either interfered with or chose not to kill her.

You're the one who tried to scientifically prove why Magneto wasn't as powerful as Storm, completely ignoring the times he's owned her ass. Say anything you want. Comics, not opinions, prove that Storm loses.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
😆 You're pathetic. Show me where she has killed him. You posted your Storm tornado trick but you refused to show the scan after it like I asked. I've posted several times where Magneto has had Storm at his mercy and was either interfered with or chose not to kill her.

You're the one who tried to scientifically prove why Magneto wasn't as powerful as Storm, completely ignoring the times he's owned her ass. Say anything you want. Comics, not opinions, prove that Storm loses.

🙄 Yea, with suspended powers.

He hurt her with ELECTRICITY. It should not hurt her thus it is PIS. Storm cannot be hurt by the weather.

She almost killed him with air deprviation via suction. Magneto does NEED air. Not needing to breath is NOT apart of his powerset, therfore, yes, she is capable of killing him.

He only had seconds.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Uhh, it seems you had no argument, you just argued incohenrently just to argue. 😕

And you're STILL harping on the GC which is not the sole BASIS for her degree of manipulations. It may be the highest, but not the only.

You seem to want make that my argument which is Straw man territory since I named MANY times where she has tapped the EM spectrum unaided to do big and intricate things.

Originally posted by phillipan
Storm sometimes struggles to dispel a hurricane yet she summons the power of the galactic core.... 😕

That is because she holds herself back especially when working in a planatary atmosphere. When she went "punk", she let go of some her "blocks" and things that were difficult for her when she was "gentle" became much easier owing to her lack of restraint.

This is why when she was Rougestorm, she had such a difficult time stopping that storm she created. Colossus has brought her back to her moral core and she was working within those boundaries when she was trying to disperse that storm that she created as Rougestomr. She would not allow herself to ride roughshod over it. She forced herself to gently disperse it. She does this for the sake of the ecosystem.

Thor, on the other hand, does not have to be so cautious as his hammer does all the work and he does not. All he has to do is tap his hammer the prerequisite time or just will the hammer to do it and that little dohickey does it all.

So, storm can easily kill Polaris. It has been established

Storm can probably get alot more wins against Magneto without a suspended powerset, and dare I say a solid majority.

Any magnetic energies enacted she should be able to deflect, channel, or absorb. She can muck up electrons, atoms etc.

😱

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Ehh... none of this is really true. I think you were trying to justify the use of the galactic core feat as if I hadn't proven why you shouldn't use it a million times in the past as to why you can't use it and I corrected you again, then this started.

Look, Storm has the galactic core thing whether you like it or not.
You need to start dealing with it. That said, I am about to point out a double standard here.

When BP grabbed Surfer in that grip and SS could not break it, the board got all up in arms about it and even showed their racist tendencies. (There is no excuse for that whatsoever. Shame on the racist posters and shame on those other posters who sit around and let these comments go stated without any rebuke to the posters! 🙁 ) Okay, I agree that Surfer should have been able to get out of that predicament with any given application of his considerable powers. However, when it comes to Storm, the double standards are changed to work against the character. If I or 2Loud posts scans demonstating her immunity to EM, you guys will go against the rules of the board and post scans that ignores this aspect of her power (hence the PIS 2Loud and I have been going on about ad naseem) in an effort to work out a win for Polaris or Magneto against her. This lady has channeled every part of the EM spectrum in quantities that Polaris and Magneto cannot even begin to approach. She's channeled EM energies in far greater quantities than they can wield on numerous occassions. Worse for Lorna and Magneto, its even canon that the very energies that they wield Ororo's metabolism can use to augment her power and even evolve her. Given her full credit, I can't think of anybody worse for Magneto or Polaris to fight than Storm. If they were even pitted against Proteus, they would lose, but at least their powers may be able to affect him directly in a bad way for Proteus. Their energies worked directly on Ororo should only empower or unless she decides to simply channel it out. She can do either of them.