Storm vs Polaris

Originally posted by Rutog98
Look, Storm has the galactic core thing whether you like it or not.
You need to start dealing with it. That said, I am about to point out a double standard here.

When BP grabbed Surfer in that grip and SS could not break it, the board got all up in arms about it and even showed their racist tendencies. (There is no excuse for that whatsoever. Shame on the racist posters and shame on those other posters who sit around and let these comments go stated without any rebuke to the posters! 🙁 ) Okay, I agree that Surfer should have been able to get out of that predicament with any given application of his considerable powers. However, when it comes to Storm, the double standards are changed to work against the character. If I or 2Loud posts scans demonstating her immunity to EM, you guys will go against the rules of the board and post scans that ignores this aspect of her power (hence the PIS 2Loud and I have been going on about ad naseem) in an effort to work out a win for Polaris or Magneto against her. This lady has channeled every part of the EM spectrum in quantities that Polaris and Magneto cannot even begin to approach. She's channeled EM energies in far greater quantities than they can wield on numerous occassions. Worse for Lorna and Magneto, its even canon that the very energies that they wield Ororo's metabolism can use to augment her power and even evolve her. Given her full credit, I can't think of anybody worse for Magneto or Polaris to fight than Storm. If they were even pitted against Proteus, they would lose, but at least their powers may be able to affect him directly in a bad way for Proteus. Their energies worked directly on Ororo should only empower or unless she decides to simply channel it out. She can do either of them.

Yep, but all that's ignored 🙄

Originally posted by Rutog98
Look, Storm has the galactic core thing whether you like it or not.
You need to start dealing with it. That said, I am about to point out a double standard here.

When BP grabbed Surfer in that grip and SS could not break it, the board got all up in arms about it and even showed their racist tendencies. (There is no excuse for that whatsoever. Shame on the racist posters and shame on those other posters who sit around and let these comments go stated without any rebuke to the posters! 🙁 ) Okay, I agree that Surfer should have been able to get out of that predicament with any given application of his considerable powers. However, when it comes to Storm, the double standards are changed to work against the character. If I or 2Loud posts scans demonstating her immunity to EM, you guys will go against the rules of the board and post scans that ignores this aspect of her power (hence the PIS 2Loud and I have been going on about ad naseem) in an effort to work out a win for Polaris or Magneto against her. This lady has channeled every part of the EM spectrum in quantities that Polaris and Magneto cannot even begin to approach. She's channeled EM energies in far greater quantities than they can wield on numerous occassions. Worse for Lorna and Magneto, its even canon that the very energies that they wield Ororo's metabolism can use to augment her power and even evolve her. Given her full credit, I can't think of anybody worse for Magneto or Polaris to fight than Storm. If they were even pitted against Proteus, they would lose, but at least their powers may be able to affect him directly in a bad way for Proteus. Their energies worked directly on Ororo should only empower or unless she decides to simply channel it out. She can do either of them.

I'd just like to point out the irony of you ranting about the rules while ignoring that the rules do not allow one time feats.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'd just like to point out the irony of you ranting about the rules while ignoring that the rules do not allow one time feats.

It was not a one-time feat. It was a one-time opportunity...so far. Question: How many times has Storm been in a galactic core? Answer: She's been in one 1 time.

Summation: Storm has been able to wield the power of an entire galactic core 100% of the times she has been in one. To boot, this feat is something that is now in her official bio published by Marvel.

You also fail to realize that she has pulled numerous stunts on Earth that would nullify Lorna's and Magneto's abilities to affect her directly and that places her well above their category.

I was thinking about 8-bit theater, because it's awesome, and I remembered an absurdly relevant moment in a recent comic.

Originally posted by Rutog98
It was not a one-time feat. It was a one-time opportunity...so far. Question: How many times has Storm been in a galactic core? Answer: She's been in one 1 time.

She couldn't even finish the job the first time.

No SvFL

Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
For standard debates, feats considered to fall under the SvFL exemption are not valid. Likewise, examples of writing which go against firmly set canon are also ignored. For example, in Larry Hama's run of Batman and Grell's run of Iron Man, both characters were out of character and did things very much against established canon; therefore those runs are disregarded.

This rule basically doesn't apply to Storm and the GC. People are taking "one-time feat" out of the general context and spirit of the rule that is a feat being generally out of a characer's abilities therefore not repeated or rarely repeated.

It is established that storm can easily manipulate high yields of energy. It is apart of her powers of weather manipulation which comes by way of the altering of her perception.

The GC scan said she manipulated it as simply as she does the weather on Earth(this cuts out the character's powers being blatantly insufficient). Before then, we had her manipulating the Solar winds(pretty high yields of energy) just as she does the weather on Earth. Immediately after the GC we have her sculpting empty space, STARS and Planets(it is REPEATED. The amount is not stated, though StarS and planetS are very high amounts of energy and small amounts in "empty space."😉 We also have her tapping into the Gamma gun(radition) to create cosmic turbulence. We also see her tapping into the electrical potential of the Earth itself(this is a very high planetary feat.) etc etc

All of the above unaided by tech. Her powers are BLATANTLY sufficient, therefore we can deduce she can repeat these feats.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
This rule basically doesn't apply to Storm and the GC. People are taking "one-time feat" out of the general context and spirit of the rule that is a feat being generally out of a characer's abilities therefore not repeated or rarely repeated.

It is established that storm can easily manipulate high yields of energy. It is apart of her powers of weather manipulation which comes by way of the altering of her perception.

The GC scan said she manipulated it as simply as she does the weather on Earth(this cuts out the character's powers being blatantly insufficient). Before then, we had her manipulating the Solar winds(pretty high yields of energy) just as she does the weather on Earth. Immediately after the GC we have her sculpting empty space, STARS and Planets(it is REPEATED. The amount is not stated, though StarS and planetS are very high amounts of energy and small amounts in "empty space."😉 We also have her tapping into the Gamma gun(radition) to create cosmic turbulence. We also see her tapping into the electrical potential of the Earth itself(this is a very high planetary feat.) etc etc

All of the above unaided by tech. Her powers are BLATANTLY sufficient, therefore we can deduce she can repeat these feats.

Ahh, you are right. Also, lets not forget that she was able to control solar winds from the get-go. Her first Uncanny issue was 94. By issue 99 we already see her controlling the solar winds. That already gives away tremendous power.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Ahh, you are right. Also, lets not forget that she was able to control solar winds from the get-go. Her first Uncanny issue was 94. By issue 99 we already see her controlling the solar winds. That already gives away tremendous power.

Yes, her power level is sufficient to repeat these feats.

Edit: This is also the reason why people feel the liberty to bring up one-time feats for a Magneto or a Polaris because they have deduced that they have the power level to do these feats again if they like.

They don't feel the same way for Storm because they just don't get her. They can barely get how a her powers make transitions from planetary to intergalactic. Then we fall into the "If then" scenario.

A slow bunch we have🙄

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Yes, her power level is sufficient to repeat these feats.

Edit: This is also the reason why people feel the liberty to bring up one-time feats for a Magneto or a Polaris because they have deduced that they have the power level to do these feats again if they like.

They don't feel the same way for Storm because they just don't get her. They can barely get how a her powers make transitions from planetary to intergalactic. Then we fall into the "If then" scenario.

A slow bunch we have🙄

I don't think that's it. I think they simply have a problem with the character being as powerful as she is. They don't like it and want to force what they want on this character. It seems to be something they reserve for Storm only. It doesn't matter what canon states. They will bend forum rules and canon and everything to try and avoid giving the character her due. 🙄

Originally posted by 2damnloud
🙄 Yea, with suspended powers.

He hurt her with ELECTRICITY. It should not hurt her thus it is PIS. Storm cannot be hurt by the weather.

She almost killed him with air deprviation via suction. Magneto does NEED air. Not needing to breath is NOT apart of his powerset, therfore, yes, she is capable of killing him.

He only had seconds.

Yes, and lightning is the only way Magneto can attack him. Nevermind that he had Storm frozen in place in Fatal Attractions and could have sent an iron pole from the fence through her body. Nevermind that Storm herself admitted that she and her X-Men team were barely a match for him alone.

Of course, everytime Storm is hurt, you're going to consider it PIS. So, there's no point in arguing with your baseless "logic".

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Yes, and lightning is the only way Magneto can attack him. Nevermind that he had Storm frozen in place in Fatal Attractions and could have sent an iron pole from the fence through her body. Nevermind that Storm herself admitted that she and her X-Men team were barely a match for him alone.

Of course, everytime Storm is hurt, you're going to consider it PIS. So, there's no point in arguing with your baseless "logic".

That comment she made in FA about not being able to move was PIS. That was a blood manipulation thing. It should not have worked.

As far as her saying that the team was barely a match for him alone, that's because she (and the team) hold back. They use restraint in battle. Storm has made this comment in the past before Uncanny 150, yet when she thought about Magneto killing Kitty, she was willing to put aside her vow and go for blood against him and kill him prior to the fight in that issue. She said "vow or no vow".

These comments have to be taken in context.

they're trolls, plain and simple. just ignore everything they post, as its all retarded.

every time 2damnloud comes to kmc, its like an elegant dinner. it starts off with a delectable appetizer one may affectionately label "the chest slap." this is followed by the main course which is a hardy drooling session on a shortbus. finally, to cap off the night, he partakes of a delicious dessert of "DUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!"

Originally posted by Rutog98
That comment she made in FA about not being able to move was PIS. That was a blood manipulation thing. It should not have worked.

As far as her saying that the team was barely a match for him alone, that's because she (and the team) hold back. They use restraint in battle. Storm has made this comment in the past before Uncanny 150, yet when she thought about Magneto killing Kitty, she was willing to put aside her vow and go for blood against him and kill him prior to the fight in that issue. She said "vow or no vow".

These comments have to be taken in context.

Of course. Blood manipulation is PIS because it was used on Storm. Nevermind he has used this trick several times before.

You two keep harping about Storm's incredible feats. I could just as easily say that the galactic core feat was PIS because Storm should not have been able to do that. But you won't see it that way, because it's against Storm.

So, she was willing to put aside her vow. Why is Magneto still alive? According to 2damn's logic, that would mean Storm can't kill Magneto.

Fact of the matter is Magneto has trumped Storm several times. The very few times Storm "got the drop" on Magneto, he turned it on her and made her pay. Comics show Magneto > Storm. That's it.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Of course. Blood manipulation is PIS because it was used on Storm. Nevermind he has used this trick several times before.

You two keep harping about Storm's incredible feats. I could just as easily say that the galactic core feat was PIS because Storm should not have been able to do that. But you won't see it that way, because it's against Storm.

So, she was willing to put aside her vow. Why is Magneto still alive? According to 2damn's logic, that would mean Storm can't kill Magneto.

Fact of the matter is Magneto has trumped Storm several times. The very few times Storm "got the drop" on Magneto, he turned it on her and made her pay. Comics show Magneto > Storm. That's it.

1) It does not matter how many times the blood trick was/is used on Storm. It will always be PIS because there are stories in canon that gives Storm powers that negates this.

2) Your conception of Storm should not be able to do that. The Storm that is in canon can. Your conception<<<<<Canon.

3) Magneto and Storm have only exchanged blows three times. Magneto only beat Storm because she holds back. Comics show Storm>>>>Magneto.

4) Canon Storm can metabolize and/or channel EM energies. Canon Magneto can do blood tricks. Okay, given both of these powers, Magneto can do this to characters (I don't have a problem with that), however, Storm is a character it should not be able to work on as it takes canon away from her. What you are talking about in avoiding the GC thing means ignoring part of a character's ability that is already in canon and even mention in the Handbook of Marvel. What I propose is to give Magneto his blood manipulation powers as canon has given it to him. HOwever, characters who have abilities that nullify it should be given their full credit. Storm is such a character. The fact that this ability has to be ignored in Magneto arcs really discredits him as a threat.

What I am saying falls within forum rules. What you are proposing is to bend and break the rules to fit your whims.

The whole reason we debate on here is to give characters their full credit and see who truly is the more formidable character. We know that often times in comics, characters are not given the full range of their powers in fights in the interest of story progression or to make one guy into a threat that he/she really is not if the opposition is given their full credit. Storm is not given her due in Magneto arcs as there are crucial aspects of her powers constantly being written out of the story to make him credible as a threat. These powers are crucial as it would nullify 95% of his arsenal that he can bring to bear against her. Even then, she nearly beat him twice and only failed because she held back.

I edited my last post. I say this in case its missed. 😄

Originally posted by Rutog98
1) It does not matter how many times the blood trick was/is used on Storm. It will always be PIS because there are stories in canon that gives Storm powers that negates this.

2) Your conception of Storm should not be able to do that. The Storm that is in canon can. Your conception<<<<<Canon.

3) Magneto and Storm have only exchanged blows three times. Magneto only beat Storm because she holds back. Comics show Storm>>>>Magneto.

4) Canon Storm can metabolize and/or channel EM energies. Canon Magneto can do blood tricks. Okay, given both of these powers, Magneto can do this to characters (I don't have a problem with that), however, Storm is a character it should not be able to work on as it takes canon away from her. What you are talking about in avoiding the GC thing means ignoring part of a character's ability that is already in canon and even mention in the Handbook of Marvel. What I propose is to give Magneto his blood manipulation powers as canon has given it to him. HOwever, characters who have abilities that nullify it should be given their full credit. Storm is such a character. The fact that this ability has to be ignored in Magneto arcs really discredits him as a threat.

What I am saying falls within forum rules. What you are proposing is to bend and break the rules to fit your whims.

The whole reason we debate on here is to give characters their full credit and see who truly is the more formidable character. We know that often times in comics, characters are not given the full range of their powers in fights in the interest of story progression or to make one guy into a threat that he/she really is not if the opposition is given their full credit. Storm is not given her due in Magneto arcs as there are crucial aspects of her powers constantly being written out of the story to make him credible as a threat. These powers are crucial as it would nullify 95% of his arsenal that he can bring to bear against her. Even then, she nearly beat him twice and only failed because she held back.

This is what they don't realize.

Realistically, Magneto or Polaris would not be threat to Storm. Why would they be??

What can they bring to her that she has not already encountered and manipulated on far larger AND smaller scale than they can??? Nothing. 😆

Originally posted by Rutog98
1) It does not matter how many times the blood trick was/is used on Storm. It will always be PIS because there are stories in canon that gives Storm powers that negates this.

2) Your conception of Storm should not be able to do that. The Storm that is in canon can. Your conception<<<<<Canon.

3) Magneto and Storm have only exchanged blows three times. Magneto only beat Storm because she holds back. Comics show Storm>>>>Magneto.

4) Canon Storm can metabolize and/or channel EM energies. Canon Magneto can do blood tricks. Okay, given both of these powers, Magneto can do this to characters (I don't have a problem with that), however, Storm is a character it should not be able to work on as it takes canon away from her. What you are talking about in avoiding the GC thing means ignoring part of a character's ability that is already in canon and even mention in the Handbook of Marvel. What I propose is to give Magneto his blood manipulation powers as canon has given it to him. HOwever, characters who have abilities that nullify it should be given their full credit. Storm is such a character. The fact that this ability has to be ignored in Magneto arcs really discredits him as a threat.

What I am saying falls within forum rules. What you are proposing is to bend and break the rules to fit your whims.

The whole reason we debate on here is to give characters their full credit and see who truly is the more formidable character. We know that often times in comics, characters are not given the full range of their powers in fights in the interest of story progression or to make one guy into a threat that he/she really is not if the opposition is given their full credit. Storm is not given her due in Magneto arcs as there are crucial aspects of her powers constantly being written out of the story to make him credible as a threat. These powers are crucial as it would nullify 95% of his arsenal that he can bring to bear against her. Even then, she nearly beat him twice and only failed because she held back.

Wow. Your first point states even though the blood trick works, it will always ben PIS because it shouldn't work. Your very next point says because Storm can do the galactic core trick on panel, it's canon therefore my opinion doesn't matter. Talk about biased.

Again, if Storm said she was going to break her vow for Magneto, why is he still alive? Why is she still holding back?

I'm not proposing anything. I'm going by what I've seen in comic books. Magneto has always been portrayed as superior to Storm. Obviously he wouldn't be if the writers didn't want him that way. Also, Magneto isn't the only one Storm loses to. She's lost to a lot of people before. If she's as powerful as you claim, that shouldn't happen.

Not every battle with her losing can be PIS.

Jesus christ, this never ends.

I'm done debating this. You guys are obviously not going to accept that Storm can lose despite what comics have shown. You think her losing at all is PIS and want to base all of her fights on her highest showings only. So, I'm not going to waste anymore time on arguing with you.

Thank you for you Straw man contribution Celestialdemon, now SCRAM!😆

Question: What could Magneto or Polaris really do to Storm at full credit without it being PIS??