Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well go back now then.I got to you without trying. I needn't even call you a name, you do get angry very easily, kinda like Wolverine. lol.
Anyways, off topic.
You did make good respect threads though.
lol I normally laid back just some things annoy me lol
go back to what?
thanks
Originally posted by marvelprince
With claws out the blow wouldn't have landed. Spider-sense warns him of danger and threat level. A backhand which will only end up giving you a headache is going to be pretty low on the list of things to dodge, especially considering when you have foot long adamantium claws which can do more can give you a migrane
That doesnt sound right to me...I dont think a backhand would kill but it could potantially knock him out. If something is going to knock out Spiderman his spider sense still warns him, for example IF attempted a nerve strike on Spiderman to knock him out but Spidermans sense warned him.
Originally posted by jinzin
The first being that wolverine was smiling: not a good indication that wolverine considered himself to be in any immediate danger or in a state of helplessness...
Artistic interperation? 🙄
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On topic, I'd say that Spider-man is faster, but Wolverine propably punches faster than he does. He's a trained martial artist after all.
foot speed spidey(not much faster)
dodge speed spidey(faster) spidersense bonus
reaction speed Equal-spidey (spider sense bonus) wolverine-enhanced senses- ALL
throwing speed spidey (faster)
thought speed wolverine (faster)
recuperation speed wolverine (alot faster)
thats how i see it and i see a pure speed advantage to spidey,but in all honesty i believe wolvie could kill spidey and alot of other characters that would be above logan in certain areas,but we cant have wolvie killing everyone,especialy popular ones
alot of people forget enhanced senses-all, now think about it he can feel the wind of a attaker way before he lands,he can smell scents and stuff,so on and so on
Originally posted by crimsonphoenixThese threads get really frustrating to me sometimes. I and others legitimately prove these advantages, and MA supporters try to negate each and every one as "not a big deal" and try to hype fighting as such a big advantage time and time again.
If you are for spiderman, then it doesn't make up but if it is for Wolverine, then it makes up for it 😆Bias Vs Bias 💃
It's either "not a big deal, or not by much". Unless it's fighting, then it's the be all and end all of the debate.
Originally posted by marvelprince
He wasn't going for the the kill in the graveyard?
Originally posted by marvelprince
Hence why they're called What ifs? right
exactly.. "what if wolverine was going for the kill"?
they answered that question in full.. 😬
Originally posted by marvelprince
Course not, but there is a difference between Venom outfighting and then killing Spider-Man as opposed to him having to wait until Spider-Man is vulnerable, or when Spider-Man mistakes him for the Spot or something.
and yet that same logic doesn't apply to wolverine because?
(now understand.. i'm not saying that wolverine definitely will.... but you flat out said that he can't.. so)
Originally posted by marvelprince
Yes, one punch. Not a flurry
all the same wolverine could react to that first strike no?
Originally posted by marvelprince
What does this prove?
Originally posted by marvelprince
Could've sworn I mentioned that this was just a speed feat, not a measure of effectiveness
Well then i ask you again.. how does that prove spiderman's superior in speed?
If wolverine let himself be hit.. it doesn't.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Too fast for him to retaliate. Don't see whats so hard to grasp here. Did it down him? No, but he couldn't react to it.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Again, though looking back at what I said.Wolverine did have opportunities to kill him, but when he goes for the kill or is serious he doesn't even come close. Read what I say instead of skimming next time. With Venom its a bit different as we have seen Venom outfight Spider-Man in a straight up brawl and then leave Spider-Man. When Logan decisively beats Spider-Man and walks away from his mangled body without dealing the death blow then you can talk about how Logan can kill Spider-Man.
You think I'm skimming here?
How so? just because you've delt out faulty logic and alltogether innacruate conclusions and I've disagreed with thim doesn't mean I've been skimming...
Wolverine's never tried to outright kill spiderman it's that simple.. next time maybe you should read what I said too... And if you can see that wolverine's had the oppurtunity to kill spiderman than how can you conclude that he can't.. when the only reason he hasn't is because he doesn't want to? 😕
And uhhhh yeah... logan's already walked away from an unconcious spiderman... twice... so there goes that little bit of superiority complex out the window.
Spider-Man has been portrayed consistently to be faster then Wolverine. He does not only have HUNDREDS more dodging, speed etc. feats, but he has better ones too. Only feats Wolverine can match Spider-Man are hand speed feats. That is also because Wolverine uses his hands a lot more then Spidey.
I see if I can post some feats, but with me having 2500 Spider-Man scans right now, it's going to be hard to find the right ones...I'll probably get to it when I have properly ordered them. 😬
I think that the feats needed have been posted here already, though...
It's really redundant to use fights between the two as a comparision though. Spider-Man doesn't use NEARLY as much speed against Logan as he uses against Electro or Ock for example. Hell, I have seen him use more speed against Shocker too.
He NEVER has time or want to get into his "instinct mode" against Wolverine, really. You know the story, when he has fought against his archenemy a hundred times and they have done something that pisses him of REALLY bad and he just starts laying on them and completely focusing to his Spider-Sense, bouncing all over the place barely saying any jokes. He never fights like that against Wolverine.