Wolverine vs. Spiderman last straw.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Meh, who cares about that one scan, really? Their body of work should speak for itself.

With two amazingly well-known characters, anything less than a collective assessment would be doing injustice to the characters.

And I never really thought speed was an issue. The question in SM-vs-Wolverine has always been "Can Logan get 1-2 good slashes in before Spidey pummels him to death" because the speed argument was never in question.

To say that Wolverine is as fast as SM, or even close to it, is to give him 10/10 in a straight-up fight, which I think even Wolverine fans will admit isn't the case.

that was never the aurgement lol.

actaully it was pritty much decided if spiderman does not use webbing he loses the majority for sure.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Doc Samson and Radioactive Man. If you look carefully you see that they are moving in the direction they've been hit. Spidey kicks to right DS moves right, he kicks to the left RM goes to left. All of them were just in a line and Spider-Man just ployed through them. Only one who looks like they were turning around at the time is Blizzard.

first it would make no sense for them to all waste time with spiderman when one is enough.

second why would they attack him in a straight line? Did they all jsut become retards?

third there not even facing spiderman there facing side was and seeing as how they were literally super heros every were they were most diffinetly attack other characters.

Originally posted by capt it up
No if you look there facing side ways meaning they were never going to attack spiderman. It seems pritty clear they were going to or were attacking other oponets and spiderman hit them when they were not looking.

first it would make no sense for them to all waste time with spiderman when one is enough.

second why would they attack him in a straight line? Did they all jsut become retards?

third there not even facing spiderman there facing side was and seeing as how they were literally super heros every were they were most diffinetly attack other characters.

Who gives a shit if they were looking sideways?! The fact is they saw him coming... stop trying to obscure everything to take away from what spiderman did. It's a valid feat.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Who gives a shit if they were looking sideways?! The fact is they saw him coming... stop trying to obscure everything to take away from what spiderman did. It's a valid feat.

They did not see it comming that my point. They were not facing spiderman. They were not going to engage spiderman.

unless your trying to tell me they all ebcame retards. attack in a straight line makes a lot of sense 🙄

I am not taking any thign away from spiderman the fact is you are misreading the feat.

It impressive it just not as impressive as you all wish it was.

Originally posted by capt it up
that was never the aurgement lol.

actaully it was pritty much decided if spiderman does not use webbing he loses the majority for sure.

That's ridiculous too. He could just dodge Wolverine and lay it to him.

Wolverine is a tough mother f*cker, but Spiderman can f*cking bench press a Toyota laughing. He's powerful, extremely fast and he knows when Wolverine is going to hit and where. Not to mention Spidermans acrobatic finesse AND the webs.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
That's ridiculous too. He could just dodge Wolverine and lay it to him.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Wolverine is a tough mother f*cker, but Spiderman can f*cking bench press a Toyota laughing.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
He's powerful, extremely fast and he knows when Wolverine is going to hit and where. Not to mention Spidermans acrobatic finesse AND the webs.

Just because spiderman knows does not mean he won’t be hit. Spiderman been hit by logan in every single on of there fights

No he can’t. He never been shown able to either.

Ever read #25 Wolverine VS Spiderman? You know, the comic where Spiderman defeats Wolverine?

Ya and that matter extremely little to wolverine

Of course it doesn't. Why? You're a fanboy.

Like I said with out webs it been decided pretty readily spiderman loses the majority.

Just because spiderman knows does not mean he won’t be hit. Spiderman been hit by logan in every single on of there fights

Oh no! Spiderman has been hit! GASP! Spiderman has stood against Superhumans. I'm sure a regular human hitting him will have little effect. Wolverine also had major troubles hitting Spidey in WVSSM.

Spiderman loses the majority?

E X P L A I N .

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Ever read #25 Wolverine VS Spiderman? You know, the comic where Spiderman defeats Wolverine?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Of course it doesn't. Why? You're a fanboy.

In there first encounter wolverine allows spiderman to constantly pound on his face and spiderman was not only unable to KO wolverine, but wolverine was smiling.

Wolverine takes repeated shots from hulk, wendigo, rough house and so on. People who are many times stronger then spiderman and yet he keep coming for more.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Oh no! Spiderman has been hit! GASP! Spiderman has stood against Superhumans. I'm sure a regular human hitting him will have little effect. Wolverine also had major troubles hitting Spidey in WVSSM.

Wolverine is a meta human he not a regular human. Honestly if you did not know that you should leave. Logan also has 6 foot long claws.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Spiderman loses the majority?

E X P L A I N .

Originally posted by capt it up
not likly seeing as how logan causly dodge beasts attack and KO him in a single pannel

Originally posted by capt it up
maybe , becuase logans not peakhuman and thats a myth developed on the kmc board.

When I first came, people had no problem saying Wolverine wasn't as fast as Spiderman, or that he was peak. But the longer I've been here, the more he gets overhyped. So I think that "superhuman" (besides healing) is a myth brought up on the boad.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Who gives a shit if they were looking sideways?! The fact is they saw him coming... stop trying to obscure everything to take away from what spiderman did. It's a valid feat.

But all of this is pointless, this is just a way for people to sidetrack the debate when they said scans were needed.

So where's my proof beyond a reasonable doubt? I know I won't "make" you see that he's a notch faster, but I know that most of the objective debaters do. I just wanted to see what made Logan as fast as him, and I haven't just yet. 😬

Originally posted by capt it up
that was never the aurgement lol.

actaully it was pritty much decided if spiderman does not use webbing he loses the majority for sure.

Actually I think it was you that decided that. I certainly don't agree with that assessment

Originally posted by capt it up
No if you look there facing side ways meaning they were never going to attack spiderman. It seems pritty clear they were going to or were attacking other oponets and spiderman hit them when they were not looking.

How can you tell that after the fact that they've been hit? Thats pure conjecture on your part. Guess Reed was facing someone else too huh?

Originally posted by capt it up
first it would make no sense for them to all waste time with spiderman when one is enough.

Obviously one wasn't enough cause he went through a few of them

Originally posted by capt it up
second why would they attack him in a straight line? Did they all jsut become retards?

Simple, they move in an he knocks them down. Not that hard really

Originally posted by capt it up
third there not even facing spiderman there facing side was and seeing as how they were literally super heros every were they were most diffinetly attack other characters.

Show me them facing somewhere else before Spider-Man hits them. If you line up all of Spider-Man's images you see the position of the characters matches up with Spider-Man's attacks. Doc Samson falls to the left when Spider-Man kicks to the left, Radioactive Man falls right when Spider-Man kicks right. Its common sense that you choose to ignore cause it hurts your arguement

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Pretty much, he laid it on them before they can react, it's nothing new to him in either universe really.

But all of this is pointless, this is just a way for people to sidetrack the debate when they said scans were needed.

So where's my proof beyond a reasonable doubt? I know I won't "make" you see that he's a notch faster, but I know that most of the objective debaters do. I just wanted to see what made Logan as fast as him, and I haven't just yet. 😬

I know, I was agreeing with you, bro.

Anyway, it proves that Logan isn't as fast as spiderman... as I'm sure if Someone went to a marvel executive saying "Is Wolverine faster than spiderman" he'd laugh and shut the door in your face... why? Because that's so 1eye it's not even funny...

meh.. the spiderman feat in Civil War 7 was a pretty nice comemorative testament to the characterization of ol' petey boy.. but it's not THAT impressive all things considered...

I mean batman's done basically the same exact thing in Supes/Bats issue 4.. so I don't know who that stands as a point for superior speed over other streeters.. though it is impressive it's just not "proof" in THIS argument all things considered.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Beast is supposed to be the most agile of the Xmen, I'm sure he's faster too, Wolverine does alot of things that aren't exactly logical.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No, Wolverine was always described as "the best a human can be".

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
When I first came, people had no problem saying Wolverine wasn't as fast as Spiderman, or that he was peak.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But the longer I've been here, the more he gets overhyped.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So I think that "superhuman" (besides healing) is a myth brought up on the boad.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Pretty much, he laid it on them before they can react, it's nothing new to him in either universe really.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But all of this is pointless, this is just a way for people to sidetrack the debate when they said scans were needed.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So where's my proof beyond a reasonable doubt? I know I won't "make" you see that he's a notch faster, but I know that most of the objective debaters do.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I just wanted to see what made Logan as fast as him, and I haven't just yet. 😬

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
I know, I was agreeing with you, bro.

Anyway, it proves that Logan isn't as fast as spiderman... as I'm sure if Someone went to a marvel executive saying "Is Wolverine faster than spiderman" he'd laugh and shut the door in your face... why? Because that's so 1eye it's not even funny...

The whole point of this was to be a good debate (not a bashfest or credibilty hurting) of the topic, but I still haven't seen these matching feats I've heard so much about. 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
meh.. the spiderman feat in Civil War 7 was a pretty nice comemorative testament to the characterization of ol' petey boy.. but it's not THAT impressive all things considered...

And Batman is generally brought up when he is around Superfoes, that explains how he dodges things they get hit by, or lives through things they get hit by.

Originally posted by capt it up
You seem to be sure about a lot of thing that are simply wrong. Beast is not faster he has no feats that even suggest it. Night crawler>>>beast. Just because you feel he faster matter little. Beast has literally been curf stomped by logan.

False he never been stated that way nor was his originally designed to be that way. He has never once in a comic been stated as peakhuman or the best a human can be.

Ya they were wrong about a lot of things back then or do you forget I was there.

Lol. No what happen was people realized that not every buddy and his mother could defeat logan which was what this forum originally thought.

False. He been superhuman from the start his character was always intended to be superhuman since his creation.

They were not even looking at him.

When was it said scans were needed? I don’t even own a scanner. You really think so little of me it rather assuming actually.

Ya we all no how unreasonable I am. I don’t even use proof or evidence.
Who you find objective is far from who I would consider objective.

I have not seen a feat yet I did not match so please continue.

So where are these so called matching feats, because noone else sees them?

All I'm going to say is this... FEAT Wise... they're near equals... but so is batman/captain america/nightwing/gambit and MANY others.

Reality does NOT = feats. Feats are just a good way of proving things on forums. The reality of the situation is that Spiderman has ALWAYS been known to be one of the fastest and most agile characters on marvel earth.

Originally posted by jinzin
meh.. the spiderman feat in Civil War 7 was a pretty nice comemorative testament to the characterization of ol' petey boy.. but it's not THAT impressive all things considered...

I mean batman's done basically the same exact thing in Supes/Bats issue 4.. so I don't know who that stands as a point for superior speed over other streeters.. though it is impressive it's just not "proof" in THIS argument all things considered.

Well this thread has sort of devolved in capt bashing the feat and saying that Spider-Man isn't fast enough to do it and that those guys were looking the other way and the rest of us arguing. Its not really a be-all end-all discusion or conclusive proof that Spider-Man is faster.

As I've said before characters have similar feats regardless of speed level at times and the best way is to look at them when presented together.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Secret Wars, my friend.... Secret Wars 😖hifty:

I think I know the scene your talking about, but apparently Wolverine has had an upgarde since then. It could also be argued as a low showing.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You are being blind if you haven't. You posted a scan of logan dodging a few blasts, I posted him dodging about 80 while logan stood there.

So where are these so called matching feats, because noone else sees them?

have you read the issue? Logan sitting there means nothing when his body was full of purple goo.

oh and like I said I match it all ready

Wolverine issue 40: wolverine dodges beams of light many of them while holding a girl.

by the way he dodge more beams of light in that issue then spiderman dodged lasers in the MU issue.

Logan has never once in comic been stated as peakhuman. prove it or stop saying it