Darkseid vs. Thanos

Originally posted by carver9
Yes... I have complete evidence of grey hulk strength, durabilty, and his speed increasing during a rage. Look at his first fight with wolvy, it was mentioned that all of this was increasing due to his rage. Again, I do not understand why I am debating this when it is a standard thing for ANY version of the hulk.

He held two antimatter bombs away from each other.. not held them in his hands. That feat alone takes an unlimited amount of force.

By the way, you might want to reread the superman/black hole feat and stop relying on the respect thread. Superman did not hold a black hole in his hand, it was a black hole, but it was a contained black hole. The containment field was slowly shedding but once you read it, look at the ending result before they actually contained it again.

Uuummm, you stated that you are familiar with the hulk, so you should know of hm holding planet sakaar together. [/B]

Originally posted by Allankles
That's not what we're debating really. He categorically stated that the asteroid feat was the greatest show of brute force between the 2 characters, I don't think that is true.

The fact that it was an amped Superman (amped by the Sun as always but only to a higher level due to proximity) indicates that the power he was throwing around was even greater. That his opponent was who it was (Braniac 13, War World with Imperiex tagging along) suggests that the forces at play were incomprehensively massive.

We're talking about the greatest brute force, you guys mentioning how amped Supes was just emphasizes my point fo me.

Gotcha... well I am going to leave this between you and quan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We were comparing hulk to superman not amped. You having to use an amped Superman kinda shows how impressed you are with the Hulk.

You need a greater showing for an unamped Supes that's like me showing off war hulk feats.

Except no War Hulk feat would come close, but you can try... 😮‍💨

Amped Supes just emphasizes my point for me dude, it only confirms how much brute force was thrown into the challenge. We never made any distinction between jerked up or non jerked up.

WWH I don't consider amped per se, since anger has has always been his fuel.

I would be willing concede of course if he wasn't amped by the Sun, "how unusual, Superman amped by the sun!" You do remember where his power comes from, right?

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
facepalm

And this is based on what? Physics? Was this referenced on panel? The scan I read said miniature and made no reference to it being contained. But feel free to prove me wrong.
To be honest anything I knew about the Hulk I most likely forgot, but I remember very clearly that none of his strength feats would put him above Superman. 🙂

Lol... why the face palm? Wolvy has fought some of the most powerful beings on the planet and that doesn't take away from the fact that it stated on panel that grey hulk strength was increasing.

Yes, it was stated on the scan about the anti matter bomb.

Going by FEATS hulk is stronger. Hell, in my eyes, hulk tossing a mountain make me believe that he is stronger.

You read the scan wrong then because again, it was stated on panel that the black hole was contained (which is the reason why people like "batman" along with other jla members were able to stand in the same room he was holding the black hole) and the containment field was slowly breaking apart. I'm debating with you from my phone but I am pretty sure everything that I am mentioning is in their respect thread and I know for a fact that the wolvy and hulk fight is in wolverines respect thread on the second page.

Enjoy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk is one of the stronger top tiers out there yet you want me to ignore a strength feat of his. The reason is because it angers you it's an awesome feat from one of the weaker hulk's. The guy is strength personafied and the strongest top tier out there.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom Grey Hulk is only a class 70 brick at best and doesn't get stronger with anger. Hence the reason it falls under pis/smvfl. 🙂

^I favor Superman over Hulk, but in NO way does a mere handbook description override a clear feat. It is not SMvFL in anyway shape or form.

Sounds like a classic case of denial.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... why the face palm? Wolvy has fought some of the most powerful beings on the planet and that doesn't take away from the fact that it stated on panel that grey hulk strength was increasing.

Going by FEATS hulk is stronger. Hell, in my eyes, hulk tossing a [b]mountain make me believe that he is stronger.

You read the scan wrong then because again, it was stated on panel that the black hole was contained (which is the reason why people like "batman" along with other jla members were able to stand in the same room he was holding the black hole) and the containment field was slowly breaking apart. I'm debating with you from my phone but I am pretty sure everything that I am mentioning is in their respect thread and I know for a fact that the wolvy and hulk fight is in wolverines respect thread on the second page.

Enjoy.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
^I favor Superman over Hulk, but in NO way does a mere handbook description override a clear feat. It is not SMvFL in anyway shape or form.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
You inadvertently proved one of my points. The fact that Wolverine qualifies as competition to Grey Hulk, tells me he's no match to Superman strength wise.......plus he's been beaten by The Thing.😐 Hulk was even enraged when he destroyed the asteroid.....the feat itself is pure pis no matter how you look at it.
Yes, it was stated on the scan about the anti matter bomb.

facepalm You should no better.

It wasn't contained when he was holding it from what I can see. It looked like he pulled it out of the magnetic field.

Wolverine has fought hyperion, wonderman, sentry, thor, sasquash, colossus, enraged hulk, rulk, abomination, hercules, wendigo, marvis inside of wendigo, absorbing man, and the list goes on and each and every last one of these peeps are 100 tonners... so grey hulk fighting wolverine is a average showing for wolvy.

Why should I know better?

It was contained. Read the comic and don't go by the pretty art. Martian manhunter himself stated that the black hole was contained. READ THE BOOK.

Originally posted by Allankles
Except no War Hulk feat would come close, but you can try... 😮‍💨

Amped Supes just emphasizes my point for me dude, it only confirms how much brute force was thrown into the challenge. We never made any distinction between jerked up or non jerked up.

WWH I don't consider amped per se, since anger has has always been his fuel.

I would be willing concede of course if he wasn't amped by the Sun, "how unusual, Superman amped by the sun!" You do remember where his power comes from, right?

WW Hulk isn't amped it's from the Hulk's own power. Superman needs to fly through an outside source unlike the Hulk. Hulk's weaker version's feats are better than Supes so by feats Hulk still wins the strength contest.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom

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Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Except it was performed by a character that's roughly Thing level........and what does a handbook have to do with anything?

First thing... "thing" isn't class 70, he is either class 90 or a 100 tonner. Second, grey hulk can amp, stop forgetting this.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Saying that you don't let facts get in your way isn't the same as saying that you "dispute facts', so try again.

You could also try actually providing facts to back up your claims.

If that's true, then you shouldn't have any trouble provding feats that back up your claims.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If that's true, then you shouldn't have any trouble provding feats that back up your claims.

Looks like this thread has run its course. I declare Darkseid the winner.

Closing.

biscuits

Originally posted by quanchi112
Stick to the topic.

But, you're the one who detours?!?

Originally posted by BobbyD
😱

But, you're the one who detours?!?

Supermans Strength Feets

Superman #167- jump starts a planet under a red sun

SM/BM annual#1- plays mid wife to an astrodite(1/2 planet size easily carring the newborn w/ one hand then pushing mother back home

Trinity #2- pushes a dwarf star system thats growing to full size out of orbit then tosses it past the ecliptic

JLA spectre soul war #1 - supes and diana carry the spectre whos body contains the weight of eternity

JLA#29- supes pulls earth back to its orbit against full starbreaker counter

SM/BM #41- pulls High Fathers staff out of the source wall which Dassad says will take unimaginable strength

Superman Earth steelers - pushes ship through hyperspace so huge supes says it must have taken the canniblization of a whole star systems natural resources to build (ships diameter is given as 600 miles long and by the look it was easily 3000 miles long/ fyi- the moon is 2159 miles in diameter)

Now lets see whos got better

Originally posted by quanchi112
That link doesn't work after 3 years I'd think you'd know at least that much. You can deny it all you want but as you can see most agree with me and you're just in denial.

😉 [/B]