Rap...music?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There isn't much musicality in hip hop with regards to musicianship. Hardly any.

Can't you be a musician and have musicality playing spoons, free-rapping or banging a gong? It doesn't come down to playing established instruments, does it? As long as you're being creative in using sound as an art form...it's music and has musicality.

The industrial group Einstürzende Neubauten are as musical as Bach...just because they choose to use a sheet metal press instead of a harpsichord doesn't change anything.

As are those 8-bit bands music...even if they're using video game noises instead of a violin. What they do has a lot of musicality to it actually.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Rapping is what hip hop MCs do. It could be considered the act of rhyming to music in the particular style that is seen in hip hop.

It's not a genre, it's an act. A "rap" is what an MC performs in a song.

The genre is called hip hop.

-AC

Hip Hop is a cultural movement that has been bastarzdized into a music genre. If a rap is what an MC performs in a song, how isn't it a label for their music as well?

With that logic, what is a "hip hop"?

Yes, and that movement involved music just as much as breaking and graffiti. Crews took part in battle rapping, dance offs etc. All the way back to The Cold Crush Bros and The Furious Five.

The music was the best form of expression for the movement. You couldn't clearly express what hip hop was by dancing and spraying.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
What do you think hip-hop artists would say to that though.

Can't you be a musician and have musicality playing spoons, free-rapping or banging a gong? It doesn't come down to playing established instruments, does it? As long as you're being creative in using sound as an art form...it's music and has musicality.

The industrial group Einstürzende Neubauten are as musical as Bach...just because they choose to use a sheet metal press instead of a harpsichord doesn't change anything.

As are those 8-bit bands music...even if they're using video game noises instead of a violin. What they do has a lot of musicality to it actually.

I don't particularly care what they'd say. As The Core said, it's undergone bastardisation.

Those worth their salt call it hip hop, that's what it is. Logically, calling hip hop, rap, is like calling rock music, sing.

-AC

?

...I mean, what do you think they'd say to your remark about not having musicality?

And as for hip-hop, I see it as much a way of life as a genre of music (as it's come to be known), that's why I suggested rap is incorported into hip hop...but I also think rap is musical on its own.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
but I also think rap is musical on its own.

But it's not.

This is where you get confused. It's not. It's hip hop, that's what the genre's called.

-AC

"rap is something you do, hip hop is something you live"- KRS 1

summed it up pretty well.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's hip hop, that's what the genre's called.

-AC

And there's also rapping in songs that aren't hip hop as well. There's rapping in techno, or by RHCP. It's just an alternative form of being musical sometimes for bands or artists who usually don't use it and might have singing instead or something.

This thread should be: "hip-hop...music?"...or rather "hip-hop...musical?" But I'm also looking at the musicality of rap itself.

So why exactly wouldn't you say hip-hop has a lot of musicality then?

here's a different style of rapping

P.O.S.- Kidney Thief

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3omno__k0vY

P.O.S.- Meth-head vs Mcnugget

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b5DpH-RcpA (not the actual music video)

Yeah...that's not real music...there's no musicality there...because..."where's the band?"

...right?

...and that second one. Where's the singing? It's even less musical than the first.

...right?

different styles of rapping

Percee P- Throwback Rap Attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ_UOiV8okg

Quasimoto- Bullyshit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q5Bsm4uliY

MF Doom feat Kurious- ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zISHnyg9iE

Verbal Threat- Reality Check
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCSIqukWncQ

i'm just saying their are different styles in hip hop. it isn't all the same.

Of course it isn't.

And I was joking above.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Of course it isn't.

And I was joking above.

It really irritates me that rappers will be labeled Hip Hop artists, even when their "music" pretty much defines all original Hip Hop logic.

Hopefully people see where I am coming from when I refuse to acknowledge them as Hip Hop artists. I mean, by that token, NWA is Hip Hop....and it's clearly not. It honestly shouldn't be all or nothing, strictly based on a verbal delivery.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Yes I know that. I've said that already twice. And I've said rap is icorporated into hip hop. But I'm looking at rap...on its own...I think it's as musical as something like scatting is. If it's in a song, it's musical.

RAPPING is an act that's a part of hip hop, yes.

It is a musical thing, like singing is.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
And there's also rapping in songs that aren't hip hop as well. There's rapping in techno, or by RHCP. It's just an alternative form of being musical sometimes for bands or artists who usually don't use it and might have singing instead or something.

It's an alternative vocal style, yes. It's just the dominent and prominent style in hip hop.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
This thread should be: "hip-hop...music?"...or rather "hip-hop...musical?" But I'm also looking at the musicality of rap itself.

You mean the musicality of RAPPING, not rap. Stop saying it wrongly.

Rapping is a musical act, like singing. However, when people say there's no musicality, they often mean musicianship, as in instrumental talent.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
So why exactly wouldn't you say hip-hop has a lot of musicality then?

I don't know, why wouldn't I? I've said it doesn't have a lot of musicianship in terms of instrumental talent.

-AC

Rapping is in hip hop, but it's also in other music too. Rapping is just a form of singing isn't it?...like scatting is in Jazz, or screaming is in screamo.

There are no notes in Hip Hop. It's a monotone delivery.

What do you mean there aren't notes in hip hop? Of course it's not monotone.

What are you on about?

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Rapping is in hip hop, but it's also in other music too. Rapping is just a form of singing isn't it?...like scatting is in Jazz, or screaming is in screamo.

A) No such thing as screamo. Stupid label, doesn't deserve any recognition. It's made up by stupid journalists and kids.

B) Yes, so stop calling it rap. It's rapping, like singING.

-AC

off topic:

i just listened to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqLakpWd-SI

wow. i dont know who had the best verse. it was all great.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What do you mean there aren't notes in hip hop? Of course it's not monotone.

What are you on about?

50 Cent. The Game. RUN DMC. Treach. Ghostface. KRS-ONE. You name it. They aren't hitting high notes or showing off like some opera tenor. They're rhyming words as if they were speaking. Putting emphasis on a slang term or name isn't the same as singing, which is my defying rapping being the same as singing.