Rap...music?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I didn't come here to chat, it's not a chat room, it's a discussion board. I discuss. You dislike how I discuss, this is of no concern to me.

I don't oppose everything, I just happen to disagree on a lot or voice my opinion a lot. It's why I'm here. Don't like it? Leave.

And please don't use the tired old "chill out" routine and be serious about it. You're more agitated than I am, I'm fine, you're the one in a twist. Just drop it and move on.

-AC

Actually I've changed my mind the thing that really annoys me about you is the way you sign everything you post. It's like you think you're an executive or something and that you can lord it above everyone.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Actually I've changed my mind the thing that really annoys me about you is the way you sign everything you post. It's like you think you're an executive or something and that you can lord it above everyone.

😂 Esta guey! This guy is something else.

Of all the things about an internet poster that could annoy you, its that?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
It's not precisely like calling rock "sing". A lot of music genres revolve around singing: rock, country, opera, R&B etc. But on the other hand, how many genres are there that are built around rapping?? Exactly.

To say "I like sing" would confuse people, because they would assume the person has grammar problems and that they were trying to say "I like singing". The same doesn't happen when some one says "I like rap". Frankly, I call hip-hop rap, and have been my whole life. Its never lead to confusion once.

It's not the correct name of the genre, but its unofficiall universally understood alternative name. You've been to the United States right? You should know that.

Aristole seemed to think the earth was at the center of the universe and everybody believed him for the longest time, were they right? no

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Actually I've changed my mind the thing that really annoys me about you is the way you sign everything you post. It's like you think you're an executive or something and that you can lord it above everyone.

Oh, shut up for crying out loud. You whiney little idiot.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
It's not precisely like calling rock "sing". A lot of music genres revolve around singing: rock, country, opera, R&B etc. But on the other hand, how many genres are there that are built around rapping?? Exactly.

No, you don't get my point. Calling any genre with singing in it, after the act involved, would be stupid. Just because RAP is accepted and not as prolific, doesn't mean it's correct.

It's precisely like calling any genre with singing in it, then, sing. Because you're naming hip hop after an act involved.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
To say "I like sing" would confuse people, because they would assume the person has grammar problems and that they were trying to say "I like singing". The same doesn't happen when some one says "I like rap". Frankly, I call hip-hop rap, and have been my whole life. Its never lead to confusion once.

Because it's widely accepted and known, it's not a matter of confusion and not knowing what somebody is on about, it's about it being wrong, and it is.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
It's not the correct name of the genre, but its unofficiall universally understood alternative name. You've been to the United States right? You should know that.

Why are you debating? My whole point was that it's a bit silly calling it that, as it's not its name. Why debate me if you actually know that?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh, shut up for crying out loud. You whiney little idiot.

-AC

No you shut up, you overbearing, pompous ****

Originally posted by Tengu
yes and while it is widely accepted, that dosen't mean its right.

Yeah, that applies to a lot of things.

Originally posted by Tengu
Aristole seemed to think the earth was at the center of the universe and everybody believed him for the longest time, were they right? no

"F*cking Greeks!"

- Robert DeNiro in Analyze This!

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are you debating? My whole point was that it's a bit silly calling it that, as it's not its name. Why debate me if you actually know that?

I'm not debating you, ey. I made a statement.

If you and Mugen want to set out stop all the tens of millions of people who call it rap (including myself) then you two have a hell of a task a head of yourselves.

well im not out on a pilgremage to straighten out the misconception, but regardless of how many people believe the other way, it is what it is man, thats not to say i dont use rap in reference to the genre, i just know the difference...most people dont, they think its 2 diffrent genres or 2 different somethings or whatever.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
No you shut up, you overbearing, pompous ****

Haha.

-AC

now that i've thought about it: isn't rap a genre term coined (in public terms) when sugarhill released "rappers delight" in 1979? if so, rap is a perfectly legitimate genre, because that's what the budding sound came to be publicly known as, long before the phrase "hip-hop" was coined. actually, i guess the phrase "hip-hop" could have come from "rappers delight"...you know, 'i said a hip-hope etc. etc. bang bang boogity beat' or what have you?

Originally posted by manorastroman
now that i've thought about it: isn't rap a genre term coined (in public terms) when sugarhill released "rappers delight" in 1979? if so, rap is a perfectly legitimate genre, because that's what the budding sound came to be publicly known as, long before the phrase "hip-hop" was coined. actually, i guess the phrase "hip-hop" could have come from "rappers delight"...you know, 'i said a hip-hope etc. etc. bang bang boogity beat' or what have you?

No because that's what they are, rappers. Rappers are in hip hop as singers are in other genres.

The genre isn't called rap.

-AC

surely if you understand what they mean it doesn't matter what you call it? When someone said rap music, you instantly thought of hip hop and therefore understood what he meant.

Rap = The actual music
Hip Hop = Culture which includes rap

ergo rap is just a shorthand way of saying Hip Hop music as saying just Hip Hop would be incorrect.

You don't listen to hip hop (well I guess you could hear spray bottles and the footsteps of the lames that still break and the scratches if you get technical), you do listen to hip hop music though.

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Rap = The actual music
Hip Hop = Culture which includes rap

ergo rap is just a shorthand way of saying Hip Hop music as saying just Hip Hop would be incorrect.

You don't listen to hip hop (well I guess you could hear spray bottles and the footsteps of the lames that still break and the scratches if you get technical), you do listen to hip hop music though.

yes and no, rap is included in hip-hop but its still not the genre itself. Rock has a culture to it, while it dosent have elements like hip-hop does, it has its own culture and then the music itself. Hip-hop is no different.

and how is breakdancing lame? you need to explain this one

Originally posted by pcp
surely if you understand what they mean it doesn't matter what you call it? When someone said rap music, you instantly thought of hip hop and therefore understood what he meant.

it isnt that big a deal, i just think its a simple misconception.

Originally posted by pcp
surely if you understand what they mean it doesn't matter what you call it? When someone said rap music, you instantly thought of hip hop and therefore understood what he meant.

Doesn't change the fact that it's wrong.

Originally posted by B dot Rob
You don't listen to hip hop (well I guess you could hear spray bottles and the footsteps of the lames that still break and the scratches if you get technical), you do listen to hip hop music though.

Hip hop music, not rap music.

-AC

Originally posted by Tengu
yes and no, rap is included in hip-hop but its still not the genre itself. Rock has a culture to it, while it dosent have elements like hip-hop does, it has its own culture and then the music itself. Hip-hop is no different.

Yeah, it is the genre as it's the actual musical content driving the culture. When you call something hip hop you are referring to the culture, which includes the four elements, when you say rap you mean the (genre of) music in the culture.

Rock is a bad analogy as it doesn't have elements in it comparible to hip hop.

Table salt would be a better example here. When someone asks you what's the gas in table salt you don't answer, why table salt of course, you answer chloride.

Same with hip hop

when someone asks, where's the music in hip hop, you answer why rap of course.

Hip hop music, not rap music.

And what do we call hip hop music again?

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Yeah, it is the genre as it's the actual musical content driving the culture. When you call something hip hop you are referring to the culture, which includes the four elements, when you say rap you mean the (genre of) music in the culture.

You keep saying "you", as if we all do the same thing as you. You call it rap, you're incorrect.

The movement is hip hop, the music is hip hop or technically accurate; hip hop music. It's not rap. Calling it rap is naming the music after one component contained in it.

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Rock is a bad analogy as it doesn't have elements in it comparible to hip hop.

It's not a bad analogy. Calling one genre something based on what happens IN it, is stupid.

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Table salt would be a better example here. When someone asks you what's the gas in table salt you don't answer, why table salt of course, you answer chloride.

That...isn't relevant, in any possible way.

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Same with hip hop

when someone asks, where's the music in hip hop, you answer why rap of course.

No, "you" don't. YOU might, you're wrong to do so. I say "hip hop", because that's what it's called.

Originally posted by B dot Rob
And what do we call hip hop music again?

Hip hop music.

Not a bright penny are you?

-AC

Hey folks. Stop this...this is silly.

AC, you just gotta live with people calling it rap...even if you have an argument that it shouldn't be called rap, at the end of the day...who cares! Can't you just say..."whatever" and move on?

This thread is about how much musical credibility "it" has...let's move beyond these semantics, really.

...and as an aside, I don't think people would be arguing it as much if you weren't busting their balls.

I've clearly said I accept what people call it.

I've just said it's wrong.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I've clearly said I accept what people call it.

I've just said it's wrong.

-AC

I don;t actually know many people at all that actually call it 'rap music' every one I know just calls it hip hop. But then this discussion could go much further and question nearly every genre for example should grime be included in the hip hop genre or have a genre to itself?