Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I don;t actually know many people at all that actually call it 'rap music' every one I know just calls it hip hop. But then this discussion could go much further and question nearly every genre for example should grime be included in the hip hop genre or have a genre to itself?
Grime is a ridiculous name for an offshoot of British garage. So I just call it garage.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You keep saying "you", as if we all do the same thing as you. You call it rap, you're incorrect.
Oxymoron, it's impossible to be incorrect when you are, in fact correct. And I keep saying you because I thought you knew something about hip hop (and thus knew that rap is the music in the culture), I was wrong
The movement is hip hop
End argument.
You're right the movement (which includes the rest of the elements) is hip hop, the music is rap.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Nearly every style of music is an offshoot of something else. For example rapping originates from an old form of Jamaican story telling. could it not just be said that hip hop is a different kind of Jamaican story telling?
Of course it could, if the connection is there. The difference is, hip hop has evolved greatly since. Almost unrecognisably.
Grime hasn't.
Originally posted by B dot Rob
Oxymoron, it's impossible to be incorrect when you are, in fact correct. And I keep saying you because I thought you knew something about hip hop (and thus knew that rap is the music in the culture), I was wrongThe movement is hip hop
End argument.
You're right the movement (which includes the rest of the elements) is hip hop, the music is rap.
The difference is, you think you are correct because you assume that the name of the movement cannot be the name of the music. You're incorrect on two counts. That one and the one in which you call hip hop, rap.
The movement is hip hop, the music is hip hop music, like the spraying is hip hop graffiti etc.
-AC
Originally posted by B dot Rob
Rap is an element in the hip hop movement and is the sole element that even qualifies hip hop as music (unless you want to call djing musical, I don't). Ergohip hop music = rap
hip hop =/= music
not a difficult concept to grasp
Rapping is an element of hip hop music, which is a part of the hip hop movement.
The music isn't rap, the music is hip hop/hip hop music.
You're incorrect.
-AC
LOL @ AC arguing for 6 pages why "rap" is not a genre. Good ol' Alpha. You're right as usual AC, leave the kids alone. We get it.
Anyway, anybody who says hip-hop is too simplistic hasn't heard the Cold Vein, Fantastic Damage, ect ect. They obviously don't listen to enough of it. Just what's on the radio and TV. but then again it's all just opinions.
Your sound is diverged so far from as rap from a whole? I’m wondering, is there any rap that is influential to the music you are making these days?El-P: Yeah man, I mean I love rap music. What I make is rap music. I don’t know, I guess I just stand on my own two feet here, ya know? The beautiful thing to me is striking a balance between creating something that is reaching and that is expansive and is contributing and in a way that is not always thought of as being rap music, and at the same time be grounded in rap music, have it have the b-boy essence of soul that I grew up with that made me love this music and made me a musician. And I think that swinging too far in either direction isn’t the right way for me. I’m looking for the perfect convergence of these two things. Certainly I wouldn’t say that i’ve found it. I look at everything I do I feel proudly about. I feel I’m so rooted in this, so clearly what I do that any moment, any song, any idea I have I am attributing it directly, I am giving the credit directly to hip-hop. I want to, it’s my honor to hand it over and hopefully what I’m doing is contributing positively to it and I love to do it. I certainly don’t think in those terms.
http://www.canibringmygat.com/2007/03/14/an-interview-with-el-p/
That's an interview with rapper/producer EL-P. Can you picture AC interviewing EL?
No El, rap is not a genre, it's called hip-hop. No, you're wrong EL-P. I'm right. Well, I'll accept you're wrong, but I'm right.
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Originally posted by D00m
http://www.canibringmygat.com/2007/03/14/an-interview-with-el-p/That's an interview with rapper/producer EL-P. Can you picture AC interviewing EL?
No El, rap is not a genre, it's called hip-hop. No, you're wrong EL-P. I'm right. Well, I'll accept you're wrong, but I'm right.
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"Lol @" Doom storming in like the Ultimate Warrior and still forgetting to check if he's making sense or not.
He calls it rap music, many millions and millions of people are used to calling it rap music, he can do as he wishes. So can B dot, so can you, so can anybody.
The fact of the matter is, it's not actually called rap music. Him calling it that doesn't make it so.
For example, Americans call jam, jelly. They call jelly, jello. I accept that people CALL it jello, but the fact is, the substance is called jelly, not jello. Jello is a brand name which has become an all-encompassing ACCEPTED term, it's not the substance's real name. What its accepted name is and what its actual name is are two different things.
You're simply suggesting that because a really good MC and producer calls it rap, as many people do because they're used to it and it's easier, that he is correct. He's not correct, he's just using an accepted term.
El-P isn't right because he's El-P, his extreme talent doesn't afford him that luxury. You're attempting to push the age old argument of "If someone does it, and you don't, they know more.".
Why doesn't your sig say: "This is Rap:", Doom? It can't be because it's not rap, it's hip hop, since you're arguing against that and that would make you a hypocrite. It can't be a reference to the MOVEMENT, because you have only listed musical collectives or artists. So I assume there's an explanation coming in your reply.
-AC
haha, AC man you're hilarious. I'm not trying to defend the fact that people call it "rap". Who cares man. I'm just "LOL" because you've been arguing for 6 pages about what the genre is called when that isn't what the thread was even about. Are you really this anal, or do you just like picking on peoples posts?
I don't "care", man, I'm simply putting across the point. I'm not insulting anybody, just simply correcting a few things.
Nothing personal. If I was really that anal I'd have pulled you up for saying that spelling colour with a "U" is wrong, but I didn...oops.
(Joking, Doom.).
Originally posted by D00m
who's the ultimate warrior? a wrestler I assume?? I dunno, never watched any of that stuff.
Come on, you don't know the Ultimate Warrior? You at least know Hulk Hogan, then? Macho Man Randy Savage?
-AC
Everybody knows the Hulk. I mean, if i do I assume everybody else does. I've heard of Macho Man. But I never gotten into wrestling at all. I tried a few times but it never interested me. But I get that all the time. People start naming wrestlers at me and act like I'm from another planet for not knowing who they are. Damn, if AC is a fan of wrestling everybody must be but me.
and it's COLOR.
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