Rap...music?

Originally posted by The Core
..in a nutshell, the exact reason why I don't like publically referring to all rappers as "Hip Hop". It's like calling Limp Bizkit "metal".

"Real", credible, artistically worthwhile hip hop they may not be, but they are hip hop. Just as Britney Spears is pop, and Michael Jackson is pop.

Bizkit were a nu-metal band, a shit one, but one nonetheless.

It doesn't affect the metal bands, rock bands, pop artists or hip hop artists I do like, just because there's shit in the genre. I have the ability to distinguish. If you don't, that's your own deal.

-AC

I absolutely do, and I thought that was pretty evident, which is my point. I want others to know that I know what I am talking about, because it matters to me in debates like this.

I know that I know what I'm talking about.

Having that kind of streamlined approach helps narrow down the people you deal with in many cases, because the only ones who'll extensively reply are the ones who were smart enough not to need things spelled out.

First off, I don't consider Limp Bizkit "metal" in the way Metallica are metal, but Bullet for My Valentine are very much a metal band. As shit and trite as they are, they're a metal band because they play in the way a metal band plays, and make metal music.

They just adhere to a very generic template, just like 50 Cent does, or better example, The Game. He adheres to the very thin template laid down by N.W.A etc. He's adhering just enough to hip hop's criteria to still be hip hop. "Real", credible or distinguished? No. He's no Cannibal Ox, MF Doom, KRS One, Kool Keith etc. Those are representing hip hop as it was intended; Genuine expression without it being a fad, having fun or enjoying yourself. He is, however, still part of the genre.

The reason I say this is because outside of the area in which he IS just a pop artist who raps, he is still making mixtapes that are very much closer (Though NO more credible) to what would be considered hip hop music. Cassidy started doing songs with R. Kelly, that isn't hip hop. It's pop music. However, when he went back to do mixtapes etc, they were hip hop. Hip hop I dislike, sure, but still technically hip hop. Hip hop that isn't a good representative, but still hip hop.

If people think 50 Cent and G-Unit are all there is, then I pity them, but that's THEIR problem, not mine. I don't need to go around saying "They aren't hip hop!" in some over-exaggerated reply. I say "They aren't true hip hop.", because they're not.

-AC

You argument seems to suggest that every band/artist should have it's own genre, but as you said earlier 'Screamo' is a ridiculous one made by kids (who are the ones who listen to it so who cares). Your argument is riddled with hypocrisy

My argument isn't riddled with hypocricy.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
My argument isn't riddled with hypocricy.

-AC

What a brilliant comeback. It really is Alpha, you seem so desperate to prove people wrong and argue, that you'll go against what you've said already to do it.

Originally posted by pcp
You argument seems to suggest that every band/artist should have it's own genre, but as you said earlier 'Screamo' is a ridiculous one made by kids (who are the ones who listen to it so who cares). Your argument is riddled with hypocrisy

I never gathered that.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
What a brilliant comeback. It really is Alpha, you seem so desperate to prove people wrong and argue, that you'll go against what you've said already to do it.

I'll be waiting on any proof that it was riddled with hypocricy. I never suggested every band and artist should have their own genre, that's exactly what I stand against.

Until then, please get off me. I appreciate the obsession...well...actually I don't.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'll be waiting on any proof that it was riddled with hypocricy. I never suggested every band and artist should have their own genre, that's exactly what I stand against.

Until then, please get off me. I appreciate the obsession...well...actually I don't.

-AC

I'm not at all obsessed with you, I just think you're an arrogant, patronising knob. You seem to want to piss everyone off by disagreeing with everything and anything people say. In real life you're probably a geeky, anime watching, non drinking sociopath.

Well i im not saying its not music but if anyone says that rapping is singing he woud be very wrong.

Who the hell would say that anyway? That's like pointing at something that is clearly a dog, and calling it a cat. Rapping is an entirely different form of vocal delivery, it's nothing to do with singing.

Originally posted by Deathblow
Who the hell would say that anyway? That's like pointing at something that is clearly a dog, and calling it a cat. Rapping is an entirely different form of vocal delivery, it's nothing to do with singing.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I'm not at all obsessed with you, I just think you're an arrogant, patronising knob. You seem to want to piss everyone off by disagreeing with everything and anything people say. In real life you're probably a geeky, anime watching, non drinking sociopath.

I love that retort; "In real life you're probably...", because what does it imply or achieve?

If I was a geeky, non-drinking sociopath in real life, that would mean I'm different to how I am on KMC, which would be the side that you deal with. Why would my real life persona, if it were any different, have any bearing on me, in this place, had I chosen to be different?

You're not obsessed with me yet you maintain such a vicious, agitated view of me. A view that you've clearly spent time thinking about, so I'm obviously on your mind. I'm flattered, but I suggest you move on.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A) It's called hip hop, not rap. Rap is what MCs in hip hop do, it's not a genre. Rock isn't called "Sing" is it? No.

The terms "hip-hop" and "rap" are interchangable when it comes to genre. When someone says "I like rap" or "I'm listening to rap" you know exactly what they mean. The same can't be said for the word "sing". I have no idea why you're such a big stickler about that.

Whether or not you know what they're on about or not doesn't change the fact that it is precisely like calling rock, sing.

You're naming a genre based on the vocal act most prominent within it. Just because it's accepted doesn't make it correct.

-AC

but by definition, it does make it acceptable. so relax. nobody is confused by your position, just confounded by your confrontational style.

Clearly there is confusion, because Quiero doesn't get my point, and you think I'm anything BUT relaxed. No need to make that assumption.

I never denied it was accepted or acceptable, I just said that it was dumb.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I love that retort; "In real life you're probably...", because what does it imply or achieve?

If I was a geeky, non-drinking sociopath in real life, that would mean I'm different to how I am on KMC, which would be the side that you deal with. Why would my real life persona, if it were any different, have any bearing on me, in this place, had I chosen to be different?

You're not obsessed with me yet you maintain such a vicious, agitated view of me. A view that you've clearly spent time thinking about, so I'm obviously on your mind. I'm flattered, but I suggest you move on.

-AC

Right yeah that may not be the best of retorts, I just don't understand why you have to constantly argue. Everyone has their own opinion opinion which I appreciate just as much as the next lad, but yours seems to be in opposition to virtually everything. Just chill out a bit. The only real time i spent on the response was the offense to put on the end, settled on sociopath in the end.

I didn't come here to chat, it's not a chat room, it's a discussion board. I discuss. You dislike how I discuss, this is of no concern to me.

I don't oppose everything, I just happen to disagree on a lot or voice my opinion a lot. It's why I'm here. Don't like it? Leave.

And please don't use the tired old "chill out" routine and be serious about it. You're more agitated than I am, I'm fine, you're the one in a twist. Just drop it and move on.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Whether or not you know what they're on about or not doesn't change the fact that it is precisely like calling rock, sing.

It's not precisely like calling rock "sing". A lot of music genres revolve around singing: rock, country, opera, R&B etc. But on the other hand, how many genres are there that are built around rapping?? Exactly.

To say "I like sing" would confuse people, because they would assume the person has grammar problems and that they were trying to say "I like singing". The same doesn't happen when some one says "I like rap". Frankly, I call hip-hop rap, and have been my whole life. Its never lead to confusion once.

It's not the correct name of the genre, but its unofficiall universally understood alternative name. You've been to the United States right? You should know that.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Clearly there is confusion, because Quiero doesn't get my point

Yes I do.