ROTS Anakin V.S. KOTOR Revan

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your debating skills are not even close to that of Advent and I am trying to understand what Advent is saying. Check my above post for indications.

If you have something better to say than do so or keep quiet. I am not here to defeat any one in the debate and want to learn more about Star Wars and I think that I can get some help from advent in this case.

Thanks for nothing. [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Nobody said my debating skills were on the level of Advent, but they are good enough to shut you up.. Or so I thought. It is my right to say "pwned" because being capable of using common sense, "pwned" is the only logical conclusion I could come up with.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
If you are not here to defeat anybody, you should have quit 3 pages ago. As Advent said, you sound like a broken record.

ACStyles shared something here and did not post crap like you did.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You can shut me up in some cases but not in all.

That is my problem and not yours. You wan't to contribute in the debate then do so by providing some arguments and reasoning and not idiotic comments.

ACStyles shared something here and did not post crap like you did.

I guess you missed the entire purpose of the first amendment. It is my god given right to post when I want, what I want, etc. I am doing YOU a favor by letting you know that further posting will result in more embarassment for you, since you like to take up 3 pages of space with repitituous bullshit. So next time instead of bitching, I want a thank you..

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I guess you missed the entire purpose of the first amendment. It is my god given right to post when I want, what I want, etc. I am doing YOU a favor by letting you know that further posting will result in more embarassment for you, since you like to take up 3 pages of space with repitituous bullshit. So next time instead of bitching, I want a thank you..

It is not a contest of superiority going on over here and not all of my points are wrong either.

Oh, and things like where I bring up General Grievous, or Obi-Wan Kenobi, or other various things about Soresu against Juyo (or Soresu in general) aren't really applicable much, I was merely bringing them up, just to mention them. Similar to like what I'm doing now, just mentioning. They really don't warrant any response, nor were they made to attract one.

The only real relevant thing regarding Juyo, and Cin's forms is simply that because Kavar attained mastery in Juyo, doesn't necessarily mean, in the least bit, that he's more 'skilled'. It's substandard usage of logic, and it doesn't signify what you're supposing. As well, the example given with Darth Maul furthers that, and the part where I note about an encounter between the two being a stalemate is important, too. Things like that compared to statements that were said in my initial few sentences are the only real things that need to be taken into consideration.

Originally posted by Advent
Oh, and things like where I bring up General Grievous, or Obi-Wan Kenobi, or other various things about Soresu against Juyo (or Soresu in general) aren't really applicable much, I was merely bringing them up, just to mention them. Similar to like what I'm doing now, just mentioning. They really don't warrant any response, nor were they made to attract one.

The only real relevant thing regarding Juyo, and Cin's forms is simply that because Kavar attained mastery in Juyo, doesn't necessarily mean, in the least bit, that he's more 'skilled'. It's substandard usage of logic, and it doesn't signify what you're supposing. As well, the example given with Darth Maul furthers that, and the part where I note about an encounter between the two being a stalemate is important, too. Things like that compared to statements that were said in my initial few sentences are the only real things that need to be taken into consideration.

Lol...

This is so romantic.

Advent would do just about anything fer her Anakin...

Its like what gideon said legend, you argue and argue and argue and when your arguements get torn apart you still go on argueing with the same thing which advent has refuted

Originally posted by Kadesh
Its like what gideon said legend, you argue and argue and argue and when your arguements get torn apart you still go on argueing with the same thing which advent has refuted

Here I can make a summary for some of you to understand:

First of all, I and advent had some sort of misunderstanding between us, as we both were not familiar with each other's mentality, senstivity level and debating methods. This thing has got resolved in the end now.

- Now the points under discussion between me and Advent were:

A) Cin Drallig
B) Kavar
C) Kavar vs Cin
D) Malak being nearly unstoppable
E) Clash between Malak and Revan

A) Cin Drallig: In this case I and advent both have posted our views and both our views hold some water. Advent and I both agree that Cin is among the best in the PT Order. We also know that Cin practised/mastered Saber Forms I, II, III, IV, V and VI. Then my further point was that Cin is an unknown person because he has hardly ever actively participated in wars and this is true and has not yet been refuted.

B) Kavar: I discussed some capabilities of Kavar here. You can read his details in my top post in this page. Advent has agreed with most of what I said about him except for a single mistake that I made by saying that he practised Force Lightning but I rectified this mistake.

C) Kavar vs Cin: Advent says that she considers them to be equal. This is her perception. I say that Kavar is over-all little better then Cin due to some reasons I mentioned. This is my perception but still I am not arguing further about it because kavar is also an unknown individual when it came to combat apart from what we saw in KOTOR II. We also agreed that Kavar and Cin do not get any better by training some notable persons. And I agree with what Advent said about Saber Combat Styles so Kavar would might or might not hold an advantage over Cin in case of a pure Saber combat. So over-all we have some sort of agreement here. But I give this to Advent as she made a good point regarding Saber combat and made case of Cin stronger then before.

D) Malak being nearly unstoppable: Now I made my assertion regarding this and advent also made hers regarding this and both of our perceptions are correct and we both agree with perceptions of each others. Even SW Databank made this case clear for both of us to some extent and our perceptions are mentioned there in shorter forms. This is pure stalemate.

E) Clash between Revan and Malak: Now I provided three cases regarding this for supporting my claim that a long Saber Clash took place between Revan and Malak on Star Forge. Now Advent refuted two of those cases but my one case (the vision of Duron) saved my main point to some extent and it suggests that a saber clash did took place between Revan and Malak on Star Forge. But of-course I conceded that we don't know that this was an epic saber clash or not but we do know that over-all clash between Revan and Malak was an epic one. So Advent made a good counter argument here and I changed my perception from "long saber clash" to "a saber clash" but we both still don't know the whole story of this fight. So it is useless for any person to argue in this case.

This is what has happened so far here apart from some misunderstandings between me and Advent. So I don't think that there was a superiority contest going on over here and nor all my points are refuted. Initially we were hostile to each other but that is no longer a case here.

So before passing judgements, either improve your concentration level or don't reply until you have something useful to say. Thanks.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am getting tired from these baseless comments. How many points do you think that have gotten refuted here?

Here I can make a summary for some of you to understand:

First of all, I and advent had some sort of misunderstanding between us, as we both were not familiar with each other's mentality, senstivity level and debating methods. This thing has got resolved in the end now.

- Now the points under discussion between me and Advent were:

A) Cin Drallig
B) Kavar
C) Kavar vs Cin
D) Malak being nearly unstoppable
E) Clash between Malak and Revan

[b]A) Cin Drallig: In this case I and advent both have posted our views and both our views hold some water. Advent and I both agree that Cin is among the best in the PT Order. We also know that Cin practised/mastered Saber Forms I, II, III, IV, V and VI. Then my further point was that Cin is an unknown person because he has hardly ever actively participated in wars and this is true and has not yet been refuted.

B) Kavar: I discussed some capabilities of Kavar here. You can read his details in my top post in this page. Advent has agreed with most of what I said about him except for a single mistake that I made by saying that he practised Force Lightning but I rectified this mistake.

C) Kavar vs Cin: Advent says that she considers them to be equal. This is her perception. I say that Kavar is over-all little better then Cin due to some reasons I mentioned. This is my perception but still I am not arguing further about it because kavar is also an unknown individual when it came to combat apart from what we saw in KOTOR II. We also agreed that Kavar and Cin do not get any better by training some notable persons. And I agree with what Advent said about Saber Combat Styles so Kavar would might or might not hold an advantage over Cin in case of a pure Saber combat. So over-all we have some sort of agreement here. But I give this to Advent as she made a good point regarding Saber combat and made case of Cin stronger then before.

D) Malak being nearly unstoppable: Now I made my assertion regarding this and advent also made hers regarding this and both of our perceptions are correct and we both agree with perceptions of each others. Even SW Databank made this case clear for both of us to some extent and our perceptions are mentioned there in shorter forms. This is pure stalemate.

E) Clash between Revan and Malak: Now I provided three cases regarding this for supporting my claim that a long Saber Clash took place between Revan and Malak on Star Forge. Now Advent refuted two of those cases but my one case (the vision of Duron) saved my main point to some extent and it suggests that a saber clash did took place between Revan and Malak on Star Forge. But of-course I conceded that we don't know that this was an epic saber clash or not but we do know that over-all clash between Revan and Malak was an epic one. So Advent made a good counter argument here and I changed my perception from "long saber clash" to "a saber clash" but we both still don't know the whole story of this fight. So it is useless for any person to argue in this case.

This is what has happened so far here apart from some misunderstandings between me and Advent. So I don't think that there was a superiority contest going on over here and nor all my points are refuted. Initially we were hostile to each other but that is no longer a case here.

So before passing judgements, either improve your concentration level or don't reply until you have something useful to say. Thanks. [/B]

Last thing legend, what i cannot stand when i debate with you is when you derail things. For example, about the whole shit about revan being more than twice the power of dooku which is impossible. like dooku is close to vader in power and if revan is more than twice the power, that makes him stronger than sidious, i destroyed that point and guess what you were argueing, You then changed your words by saying "ok, but he is still close to twice as powerful" and you still go on argueing as if you were assuming that he was close to being twice as powerful in the first place which by the way you did not.

I am merely repeating what gideon said. You just go on argueing and argueing and argueing, just like the last statement i said and im not even trying to argue, you still argue and i will bet once you read this, you will quote these 3 paragraphs to argue.

Originally posted by Kadesh
This is not the point. Remember the DE sidious vs revan thread? Your arguements of revan beating sidious have been torn apart and you go on argueing with the same shit that has been refuted. Yet you still go on argueing with things that are irrelevant

Originally posted by Kadesh
And remember the njo luke gauntlet? Advent, lightsnake and darth sexy brutally tore apart your arguements about the emerald lightning debate, yet you still go on until advent annihilated you completely.

Once again this thread is not about Luke and Sidious and Force Lightning.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Last thing legend, what i cannot stand when i debate with you is when you derail things. For example, about the whole shit about revan being more than twice the power of dooku which is impossible. like dooku is close to vader in power and if revan is more than twice the power, that makes him stronger than sidious, i destroyed that point and guess what you were argueing, You then changed your words by saying "ok, but he is still close to twice as powerful" and you still go on argueing as if you were assuming that he was close to being twice as powerful in the first place which by the way you did not.

And I used your argument to make my case that Revan is close to being 2x of Dooku, since he is more then 80% of Sidious. But of-course we don't know that how strong Dooku really was but I can safely say that he is not in the leagues of Revan, Yoda, Sidious, Kun and Luke.

So neither you or I could make a perfect assertion on that case. I only used your argument to make my case.

Originally posted by Kadesh
I am merely repeating what gideon said. You just go on argueing and argueing and argueing, just like the last statement i said and im not even trying to argue, you still argue and i will bet once you read this, you will quote these 3 paragraphs to argue.

You see? you still want to argue and argue and argue. i just merely pointed out of what you do which annoys me and you choose to argue

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Is this thread about Sidious vs Revan? And I personally said so many times that Sidious can defeat Revan. Did this flew over year head?

And I conceded. Anything else?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Once again this thread is not about Luke and Sidious and Force Lightning.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

It was you who actually said that Dooku was about 50% of Sidious? Did you not?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And I used your argument to make my case that Revan is close to being 2x of Dooku, since he is more then 80% of Sidious. But of-course we don't know that how strong Dooku really was but I can safely say that he is not in the leagues of Revan, Yoda, Sidious, Kun and Luke.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

So neither you or I could make a perfect assertion on that case. I only used your argument to make my case.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Gideon is silent and so are others. A debate took place between me and Advent and it is up to me to respond when I like or not. You want to contribute then do so by posting something useful.

All im saying legend and im saying it as a friend, Dont keep argueing when people prove you wrong, you arent right all the time and so am i. And dont always start an arguement which will get heated

Originally posted by Kadesh
You see? you still want to argue and argue and argue. i just merely pointed out of what you do which annoys me and you choose to argue

Originally posted by Kadesh
Good to hear you conceded, because i can quote what you typed to hint that revan can beat sidious, i have a quote on my waiting list

Originally posted by Kadesh
I never said it was, i just pointed out you kept argueing about lightning even as DS and LS smashed you till advent and gideon completely annihilated you

Originally posted by Kadesh
I did, but that was after you claimed revan being more than twice the power. And when i said that, you conceded that point and went on to argue that revan is now close to being twice the power, The point is, you are so persistent in argueing weather you concede or not

Originally posted by Kadesh
Exactly. but that was after my assumption buut you still argue, see the above

Originally posted by Kadesh
Yes but that was to shut your nonsense of claiming revan is more than twice the power of dooku which isnt true

Originally posted by Kadesh
Really? Ds and gideon both commented on you, and so did i.

Originally posted by Kadesh
All im saying legend and im saying it as a friend, Dont keep argueing when people prove you wrong, you arent right all the time and so am i. And dont always start an arguement which will get heated

Revans Force mastery isn't twice better then Dookus, then Sids would be even more and he would easily defeat Dooku.

Anakin would beat Revan, and even if you believe Revan had greater force mastery (so did Dooku) Anakin had a great defense against that... overwhelming offense.

I agree, but if Revan used Force in the beginning of the fight, when there is some distance between the fighters, he would have a chance of wining.

I hate to say it, but it depends on if they're using movie logic or EU logic 😬, and i think you all know what i mean. EU characters are typically way overpowered, and have feats that go far beyond the capabilities that were set forth by GL. In any case, Anakin would most likely win -- Dooku was a fair distance away from the both of them and made it a point to jump down and walk over and get pwned. No guarantees that Revan will blast off with a fore attack right off the bat. Being that they are in fact characters whose only personality comes from the authors that create them, its hard to predict how a certain character would begin a fight. We can speculate and theorize, but thats about it. We cant say, "Oh, Revan will wtfpwn Anakin with teh uber f0rCe p0w3rs cause he's better than Dooku!" It doesn't really work that way...

But i think Anakin will win if it goes to saber, which i believe it ultimately would.

Yea, but like you said, we don't know that much about Revan, we don't know how he enters fights, we know Dooku likes lightsaber combat most then anything, we cant say the same thing for Revan and i said that Revan has a chance of wining, not wining for sure in an overall fight, but he would defiantly lose in a lightsaber fight.

True...i was merely pointing that angle out.

Originally posted by Allankles
Anakin would beat Revan, and even if you believe Revan had greater force mastery (so did Dooku) Anakin had a great defense against that... overwhelming offense.

You're an idiot, I can't even begin to describe it.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
I hate to say it, but it depends on if they're using movie logic or EU logic 😬, and i think you all know what i mean. EU characters are typically way overpowered, and have feats that go far beyond the capabilities that were set forth by GL. In any case, Anakin would most likely win -- Dooku was a fair distance away from the both of them and made it a point to jump down and walk over and get pwned. No guarantees that Revan will blast off with a fore attack right off the bat. Being that they are in fact characters whose only personality comes from the authors that create them, its hard to predict how a certain character would begin a fight. We can speculate and theorize, but thats about it. We cant say, "Oh, Revan will wtfpwn Anakin with teh uber f0rCe p0w3rs cause he's better than Dooku!" It doesn't really work that way...

But i think Anakin will win if it goes to saber, which i believe it ultimately would.

One of the dumbest things I've ever read.