Ha, no! You'll totally massacre it in your horribly logical way. And I actually thought it was a sweet version of an ending on both ends of the spectrum, W/E and J/E.
Ok, well this version doesn't include the new rumor of another Jack death.
In this version, Elizabeth has married Will, Will has become the Captain of the Dutchman. She decides after the battle, to wait for Will on an island by herself in her sorrow. This also includes them consumating their marriage and Will giving Elizabeth an important task: to guard his heart, and guard his child.
Jack tries to go back to his former life in Tortuga but can't bring himself to do it. He bids Gibbs farewell, and decides that he'd rather go back to join Elizabeth because he's a changed man.
The theory is formulated based on the idea that neither Jack or Will would want Elizabeth to raise a child alone because both of them were seemingly abandoned by their fathers. So Jack joins her on the island.
Flash forward ten years, Elizabeth and the kid are waiting to greet Will in his return from sea, there is a sweet reunion scene between real father and son, while the man who essentially helped to raise the child stands quietly in the background.
Also, we were thinking that Jack may invent the story of "searching for the fountain of youth" to fit with his legend. If he was going to join Elizabeth to finally settle down, he wouldn't want that to be the ending of his legend. He's want some thing more exciting and grandiose. So he tells Gibbs that is what he intends to do, when in fact, he means to do something very different.
I don't know, I liked it. But I'm sure the writers have something far more interesting cooked up.
It actually is a good theory, although I don't think Jack would stay on the island all the time. I think he would need to stretch his legs and go sailing, because that's who Jack is, and I could see him bringing presents for Elizabeth and the child, maybe hooking up with Will once a year to give him a report on how everyone's doing, etc. 😄
But if there's to be a kick-ass ending, there has to be something more...maybe Will brings James back with him, and James somehow takes up being the captain because Elizabeth sacrificed ten years of her life to wait for Will, thus breaking the curse?
See, that would be kick-ass for me, since James would be back. 😄
ETA: Thanks for the compliment of me being "horribly logical"! I appreciate that. 😄
Originally posted by savvysparrow
Ha, no! You'll totally massacre it in your horribly logical way. And I actually thought it was a sweet version of an ending on both ends of the spectrum, W/E and J/E.Ok, well this version doesn't include the new rumor of another Jack death.
In this version, Elizabeth has married Will, Will has become the Captain of the Dutchman. She decides after the battle, to wait for Will on an island by herself in her sorrow. This also includes them consumating their marriage and Will giving Elizabeth an important task: to guard his heart, and guard his child.
Jack tries to go back to his former life in Tortuga but can't bring himself to do it. He bids Gibbs farewell, and decides that he'd rather go back to join Elizabeth because he's a changed man.
The theory is formulated based on the idea that neither Jack or Will would want Elizabeth to raise a child alone because both of them were seemingly abandoned by their fathers. So Jack joins her on the island.
Flash forward ten years, Elizabeth and the kid are waiting to greet Will in his return from sea, there is a sweet reunion scene between real father and son, while the man who essentially helped to raise the child stands quietly in the background.
Also, we were thinking that Jack may invent the story of "searching for the fountain of youth" to fit with his legend. If he was going to join Elizabeth to finally settle down, he wouldn't want that to be the ending of his legend. He's want some thing more exciting and grandiose. So he tells Gibbs that is what he intends to do, when in fact, he means to do something very different.
I don't know, I liked it. But I'm sure the writers have something far more interesting cooked up.
Hmmm... I really actually quite like this one, and it fits remarkably well with a slew of rumours that were sent to me about a month and a half ago...
however, it would be a very touch-and-go process of trying to make the vibe right. Because no one can imagine Jack and ELizabeth living on an island together and not sleeping together (let's just be honest, not even in a disney movie, its just not possible)... so would that imply that Will is just supposed to deal with the fact that another man is living with his wife? I mean, I'm good with it, but Will fans might not be. lol. and I still have a problem with Elizabeth (much less Jack) being stuck on an island with no adventure... though the writers would no doubt argue that raising a child is adventure enough. lol
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Actually, that wouldn't be such a bad theory reworking James into the ending. Maybe Will can grant him eternal life so that he can be an admiral forever....Am I the only person that thinks Norrington gets the short end of the stick in the Pirates films? Seriously though, he gets trampled on in both films and then he has to sacrifice his life in AWE. What the heck? Can't we throw the man a bone, or a strumpet?
And I do respect your opinions Surreal, even though it doesn't seem like I do at times. It's difficult to look at the films objectively for me, so listening to you helps to keep me more towards the middle than relying firmly on bias.
But anyway, let's get back to the spoilers/rumors business. Has anyone heard anything actually about the way that Norrington snuffs it? I had actually heard that he gets a reprieve, but then some people are saying that he dies, but not in the whimpy way of version 1 of the script.
Originally posted by katelovespirate
Hmmm... I really actually quite like this one, and it fits remarkably well with a slew of rumours that were sent to me about a month and a half ago...
however, it would be a very touch-and-go process of trying to make the vibe right. Because no one can imagine Jack and ELizabeth living on an island together and not sleeping together (let's just be honest, not even in a disney movie, its just not possible)... so would that imply that Will is just supposed to deal with the fact that another man is living with his wife? I mean, I'm good with it, but Will fans might not be. lol. and I still have a problem with Elizabeth (much less Jack) being stuck on an island with no adventure... though the writers would no doubt argue that raising a child is adventure enough. lol
Yeah, see, no matter how you put the pieces together, there's always some major flaw, usually centered around the marriage. That's what I can't quite piece together. Someone suggested that no marriages take place during the course of the film. I'm skeptical of that, because I do believe there will be a marriage of some sort.
As far as Elizabeth and adventure goes, I would imagine that by the end of AWE, she very well may have had her fill. If you look at the film in terms of the losses she endures, in part as a consequence of her actions, Elizabeth will be a changed character. I would suspect that it may also apply with her relationship with Jack. I can see them remaining platonic in a unrequitted love sort of way if Will dies. I'm thinking about sacrfice and the cost of remaining honorable.
Naturally, an ending like that could be up to audience interpretation. J/E shippers will sort of conclude that Elizabeth and Jack have their own sort of common law marriage on the island, while W/E shipper will believe that Elizabeth will remain faithful to Will the entire time.
I don't think the writers will leave that much up in the air. Also, I'm having trouble figuring out if Will and Elizabeth end up getting married on the Dutchman, and then he dies, doesn't that technically make her a widow?
James is made of finer stuff than most of the characters in the movie (I could so turn that into a line for fanfiction), and he really doesn't seem to have a place in the film, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm so hopeful that he'll somehow be brought back, because I'm fairly sure he dies at some point. I can't think of anyone I'd rather have being a captain to ferry the dead than James, who despite a rather dark moment between CotBP and DMC, seems to be the epitomy of responsibility.
I think James will probably at the very least be injured to save/help Elizabeth escape from the EITC. I think that he will be given the opportunity to serve Jones, which I desperately hope he'll take up, but I suspect that he won't.
I had one theory where maybe James gets tricked into serving Jones, and that's how he's still in the final battle sequence.
Jones: You want to live, right?
James: *feverish and confused* Yes...
Jones: Wish granted. Welcome to the crew.
James: ....damn.
Ok, wishful thinking, I know that. 😄 But if James is dead, maybe he's not at rest and Will can go fetch him back? I'd love that, and of all the characters, I think James deserves it. 😄
Naw, wishful thinking is good. SOmetimes I think most of our "spoiler conjectures" might actually just be wishful thinking. 😉
Wow, my brain is fuzzy, but I think amongst our various theories and guesses, we have to be somewhat close on the ending. Right? We have a good list of theories that seem to encompass what we know.
i think, for me, it comes down to I trust the writers and I am DETERMINED to love the film no matter what. So its fun thinking about what will happen, but I'm not too bothered about knowing for sure until I see the film.
Savvy wrote:
I don't think the writers will leave that much up in the air. Also, I'm having trouble figuring out if Will and Elizabeth end up getting married on the Dutchman, and then he dies, doesn't that technically make her a widow?
We need a lawyer for this. LOL. If Will is "alive" or sort of undead, is she still a widow? I have no idea. 😄
The island idea is interesting, but I'd like to refine my idea by stating that I think Jack would spend most of his time gone, because he's too much in love with the sea to ever be parted from her for very long.
I also think that TnT would make how to break the curse as a very clear issue (Elizabeth must remain faithful for 10 years, or some such), and it would erase any doubts about what Elizabeth and Jack did.
Which of course will lead to lots of fun fanfiction. 😉
Originally posted by katelovespirate
Naw, wishful thinking is good. SOmetimes I think most of our "spoiler conjectures" might actually just be wishful thinking. 😉Wow, my brain is fuzzy, but I think amongst our various theories and guesses, we have to be somewhat close on the ending. Right? We have a good list of theories that seem to encompass what we know.
i think, for me, it comes down to I trust the writers and I am DETERMINED to love the film no matter what. So its fun thinking about what will happen, but I'm not too bothered about knowing for sure until I see the film.
Here here! The movie will be grand, epic and utterly fantastic. I won't be disappointed with it no matter what happens. All the characters could perish when they fall of the cliff at World's end, and I would ok with that. But it's still fun to speculate a little like being a pirate detective.
Surreal:
I will quibble with you on one point, and that is the idea that Jack will end up chasing the sea. The way the plot seems to be going it seems as though the man who left the first film chasing the sea, will be the man who returns to land, while the man who had his feet firmly on the ground will be granted a ship and the chance for grand adventure. So, similar to COTBP, but with a twist.
And we could go back and forth on it, but I'll bring back the jar of dirt, and a telling quote from Tia Dalma. When she gives Jack the jar of dirt, she says: Land is where Jack Sparrow is safe, and so he will carry land with him.
There are other things such as the 'time's run out quote' as well as the scene in the Locker, where it seems Jack feels he's wasted a good ammount of time in his life.
But hey, I could be wrong. It's possible that Jack may decides that he's loved the sea all along, and that while Elizabeth shares the qualities of the sea, it's not the same thing.
Hmmm.... yeah thats a hard sell point. Because on the one hand, its Jack's Character to chase the horizon, to go after adventure and freedom. On the other hand, it looks logical with his character arc for him to settle down and give up his old life for a New Adventure--- a family adventure type thing. Hmmm. it will be interesting to see how that turns out.
here;s a question i cant get an answer to: is Anamaria back in this film? I havent heard anything about her being back, and she isn't in the trailer or anything, so i think the answer to that is No... but still, they've brought back everyone else. Why not her?
Because did anyone get the sense at the end of film 1 the writers were trying to imply that Jack and Anamaria would be having some tender moments aboard the Black Pearl? Her line "the black pearl is yours now" may as well have been "I'm all yours, sweetlips." know what I mean? Was she just too much competition for Liz's domination of the seas?
HA.
I'm not sure why they didn't bring her character back. Granted, they had a lot of characters to work with, so adding her into the mix would have been an awful lot for the writers to resolve. From what I've seen on her IMDB page, she's not credited for AWE.
Not to mention, Elizabeth sort of encompasses both characters; the pirate and the lady. So having more than one in the film, may have been too much.
Then again, the writers have said that we ought to look at COTBP as a story as separate from the last two films. I see it as an introduction to their characters more than anything.
Yes, it does seem like a challenge. On the other hand, Elizabeth is fairly strong willed, so if she put her mind to it, she'd probably be able to spurn his advances for ten years. And since he seems to enjoy that sort of challenge, it's easy to imagine that Jack would not get bored trying to find ways to seduce her.
Well, it's not just that Elizabeth would be able to spurn Jack's advances. Since Jack is maturing just like everyone else, he may not take it too seriously, and in fact just make advances to annoy Elizabeth. He's good at that. 😉 Would keep her from being bored, that's for sure.
And see, I think that once Jack knows that Elizabeth is totally committed to Will, he'll back down. He might not have before DMC, but now, with all the growing he'll be doing, he would be able to back off if things got too hot. Maybe. 😛 He is a man, after all.
And about the sea...I do think that Jack would go out on it. The sea is in Jack, and he knows it and understands it...and loves it. He may be responsible, but even a retired pilot gets the itch to go flying every now and then. 😉 Just 'cause Jack gets all responsible doesn't mean he's going to give up the sea. It might mean though that he won't go stealing so much. 😄
Fun theories. What else can we talk about?