Putting it all together...spoilers

Started by Mistypirate126 pages

I've had a rough day to Surreal.. I haven't been feeling well, It really sucks to be sick. But I will try to do my best answering your questions, And using my imagination. 😉

but that scene with Barbossa is not a forced marriage, but it is a love scene. And no, it doesn't involve Jack or Elizabeth. Sorry.

Unfortunately Surreal is right, nothing happens between J/L in THAT scene.. I don't see Teague there. So It could be between Barbosa, Tia or Raggeti.

1. We see Davy, Beckett and Will on the beach squaring off with Jack, Elizabeth and Barbossa, yet later on Will seems to have switched sides and Barbossa takes a swipe at Jack. What happens?

Barbosa slashes the po8 from Jack's bandana because he has cross over to Becket's side therefore he won't be needing it anymore because he is with the baddies.

2. Calypso has been released, and the final battle between the pirates and the EITC has begun. Will and Elizabeth are fighting on the deck of a ship. Will proposes. What does Elizabeth say?

She says yes, but she is DOUBTFUL, Will can see it.

3. Will and Elizabeth kiss in the midst of battle, seemingly forgetting the battle, the fact that they are being boarded by more enemies and that giant waves are breaking over the ship. Why do they choose that moment to kiss?

Because they might not survive the battle, so is kinda like a good bye kiss.

4. Will ends up stabbing the heart. Why? How?

I believe he does it with the help of Jack, he is dying.

5. How does Elizabeth respond to Will stabbing the heart?

She is relieve that he did it, she rather have an immortal Will than a dead Will.

😉

6. What happens after the battle is over?

Can you be more specific?
I don't know what happens after that, From what I heard Liz wont have the guts to leave Will. Liz will probably marry Will because of pity. Will will probably start his job as COTFD. But as far as anything else I cant tell you. Why don't you tell us. 😛

Gosh...I don't want Liz marrying Will out of Pity...she is suppose to be with Jack...
I can't type much tonight...I need sleep...but I can't seem to leave this place alone...

you and me both lovethemtigers....

I also fail to see how that picture shows a wedding. Pirates of all people wouldn't demand a wedding to get into their secret meetings. They aren't exactly into convention.

Now to Surreal's questions:

"1. We see Davy, Beckett and Will on the beach squaring off with Jack, Elizabeth and Barbossa, yet later on Will seems to have switched sides and Barbossa takes a swipe at Jack. What happens?"

My guess is that Will at some point has been captured since we see him in a walking stockade in the trailer. He probably conjured up a plan ala Jack style where he will appear to betray everyone, but it's a ploy to get free. He probably meets the others on the beach where he switches back to the good side. I don't know about Barbossa. It depends if you believe he is going to redeem himself or if he and Jack are still bitter enough rivals where he will try to get the Pearl again.

"2. Calypso has been released, and the final battle between the pirates and the EITC has begun. Will and Elizabeth are fighting on the deck of a ship. Will proposes. What does Elizabeth say?"

Just my opinion, and I've read no leaked scripts, but marriage proposals are almost constantly interrupted in movies. Will and Liz have probably postponed their engagement until the pirate fuss is all over. Before she can answer him, though, I'm betting one of them will get captured, stabbed, attacked, or thrown overboard. That would be dramatic and raise suspense.

"3. Will and Elizabeth kiss in the midst of battle, seemingly forgetting the battle, the fact that they are being boarded by more enemies and that giant waves are breaking over the ship. Why do they choose that moment to kiss?"

Although that sequence is beautiful, I think it's because one or both of them believe that they won't leave this battle alive. It's not exactly a kiss goodbye but a kiss-me-just-in-case moment. I think Will and Liz believe in an afterlife, so they wouldn't see it as a goodbye.

"4. Will ends up stabbing the heart. Why? How?"

I'm with the majority here that his life depends on stabbing the heart, but you can't overlook the fact he promised his dad he would do it. I'm sure even though Jack may "help" him do it, it's a decision Will would have willingly made.

"5. How does Elizabeth respond to Will stabbing the heart?"

I'm not sure I agree that she would be happy. She would be happy he didn't die, but if they can't be together anyway, I think she would resent the fact that he did that.

"6. What happens after the battle is over?"

Our heroes sail back to Tortuga, accompanied by an escort of navy sailors and pirates alike. They get back to find the whole place has been commercialized, Taco Bells on every corner. Will is now an immortal, enjoying his time on the Dutchman. He's put in a Pirates of the Caribbean ride inside for his crew to amuse themselves with. Meanwhile, back at Tortuga, Norrington WHO LIVED! becomes the new governor and Gibbs brings him Scarlett and Giselle and sailorleo as his concubines. He becomes very rich and Port Royal prospers. Gibbs begins a series of graphic novels about his adventures, touring the world signing autographs. One of them will be made into a best-selling play performed by the Royal Shakespeare Company. Jack begins auditioning for a small role in it, just in the chorus, mind you, to help pass the time after briefly losing Liz to Will. As he stands in a long line waiting his turn as "Asian Pirate #4," who should walk in but Liz, looking high and low for him. He turns, sees her across the room and yells, "What are you doing here?" She yells back, "I love you!" and starts running to him. She bumps into a stagehand, but the guy falls in love with Liz at first sight and doesn't care too much. She finally makes her way to Jack and dives into his arms where they share a Hollywood kiss. Somehow we know Jack will get his role.

*cough* Willo, it's supposed to be a W/E ending. 😛

That was hilarious willo 😆

Originally posted by Surreal_44

1. We see Davy, Beckett and Will on the beach squaring off with Jack, Elizabeth and Barbossa, yet later on Will seems to have switched sides and Barbossa takes a swipe at Jack. What happens?

Actually, I'm a little sketchy about whether this takes place before or after shipwreck cove. I'm going to guess after. It's been revealed that Jack has betrayed the pirates and made a deal with Beckett to lead them to shipwreck cove. Somehow, Will was taken prisoner and he switches sides since he has betrayed anyone recently. Barbossa swipes at Jack because let's face it, betraying the pirates to their doom isn't exactly something you take lying down. Maybe Will reveals Jack's treachery in an effort to warn them?

2. Calypso has been released, and the final battle between the pirates and the EITC has begun. Will and Elizabeth are fighting on the deck of a ship. Will proposes. What does Elizabeth say?

"Darling, I thought you'd never ask? 😉 I suppose she'd say that it probably isn't the best time to be asking, but that her feelings had never wavered, that he'll always be the man she intended or wanted to marry.

3. Will and Elizabeth kiss in the midst of battle, seemingly forgetting the battle, the fact that they are being boarded by more enemies and that giant waves are breaking over the ship. Why do they choose that moment to kiss?

Well, it's possible that she's agreed to marry him, or that in some way similar to Westside Story, they essentially take vows and reaffirm their commitment to each other. So, in that way, it's sort of like a "you may now kiss the bride" moment. Also, like everyone else seems to surmise, it's a bittersweet kiss. They've traveled a long road, finally realizing that they love only each other, but that they might very well be divided by the looming waves, or the badies.

4. Will ends up stabbing the heart. Why? How?

Either way, it's a conscious decision that doesn't involve Will ripping out his heart. He either does it because things are grim, and that Jack may in fact be dying again, or he may in fact be dying and have no other choice. Either way, it will be a scene of nobility and sacrifice because that is the essence of his character.

5. How does Elizabeth respond to Will stabbing the heart?

In my opinion, given all that Elizabeth has gone through, it will be the straw that will break the camel's back. She's not one to weep, but I imagine that she will be devestated, angry and heartbroken all at once. If it is Jack who made Jack stab the heart, she might be a little angry with him. Also, I think since she is a woman who "does whatever is necessary" she will understand that there was no other way. Will's touch of destiny is what it is.

6. What happens after the battle is over?

Well, she and Will probably have some sort of a meeting to figure out how to work with their circumstances. I would imagine that they realize it's sort of a hopeless situation, but Jack, realizing that he is in more than one way responsible for Will's plight, takes pity on Will and Elizabeth. He promises to find the Fountain youth, so that Elizabeth may be immortal with Will and sail the seven seas with him forever.

PS---Sorry it's not very creative, but since it does seem to follow the logic of what we've seen/heard so far, I would say that it's probably fairly accurate. It's been a long day for me too.

Oh, W/E ending. I got carried away. 😆

My guess that if the movie ends W/E, it will end similarly to COTBP, a simple kiss in the sunshine. Their love is supposed to be pure, and if they stay together, it will be a very powerful love that overcame about every challenge imaginable, so even though it may contradict the "kick-ass" ending promised, I would see a very calm ending for Will and Liz.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Oh, W/E ending. I got carried away. 😆

My guess that if the movie ends W/E, it will end similarly to COTBP, a simple kiss in the sunshine. Their love is supposed to be pure, and if they stay together, it will be a very powerful love that overcame about every challenge imaginable, so even though it may contradict the "kick-ass" ending promised, I would see a very calm ending for Will and Liz.

you forgot boring 😉

Ok remember the teiler when Beckett has a coin in his hand...i do believe it's one of the pieces of eight...Also how else do you think he would get it, well think about it he must been a pirate lord and became evil, So that is how maybe he got the piece...Well what do you guys think...How else do you think he knows about the chest and davy jones, and calypso only one way to find out....

here is the pix....

Originally posted by Pirategirl85
Ok remember the teiler when Beckett has a coin in his hand...i do believe it's one of the pieces of eight...Also how else do you think he would get it, well think about it he must been a pirate lord and became evil, So that is how maybe he got the piece...Well what do you guys think...How else do you think he knows about the chest and davy jones, and calypso only one way to find out....

Actually, that's an interesting theory that I don't think I've ever heard put forth before. It's certainly possible that Beckett was once a pirate lord turned rotten. We don't know much about him, his evil timing is impecable.

However, I think it equally as likely that he is a man who does not take defeat likely. Jack managed to defeat him, leave a mark on him and he's almost obsessed with repaying the deed and destroying the pirate world as a whole. The writers seem to be making a commentary about which is more evil, something that society seems to value as correct, or the pirates? So if he were a pirate, it might dilute the message that sometimes to do the right thing, demands an act of piracy.

Or maybe Mercer got it for him in Singapore...

I wonder if the mark that Jack left on Beckette is a physical mark. Like what Beckette did to Jack with the "P".

I don't know how that would come about on Beckette being an ex pirate lord. I just think that Beckette never had that coin. That he took it from Jack...

Well he sure knows about the compass, davy jones, pirates, and the story behind it all...

Time out team.

Quick question: The writers once mentioned that by the time Jack leaves Singapore, things are blowing up. But when does he find the time to go to Singapore?

hehe, maybe they meant Jack...the monkey...

OHHHHHHHH!!!! OF COURSE. I feel so stupid. Damn those writers and their clever ways. That's Ericadawn, that clears things up considerably.

Originally posted by Chiki Mina
I wonder if the mark that Jack left on Beckette is a physical mark. Like what Beckette did to Jack with the "P".

I don't know how that would come about on Beckette being an ex pirate lord. I just think that Beckette never had that coin. That he took it from Jack...

There are many people who believe that Jack made Beckett into a Eunich. Certainly that would motivate his crabby and sour vendetta. And it would explain Jack's inexplicable fear of eunichs.

One more logistical question. The scene in which Team Beckett and Team Sparrow meet on the beach. Is that before or after the Pirates summit? I can't quite figure out if Jack actually succeeds in leading Beckett to Shipwreck Cove.