Putting it all together...spoilers

No, I really don't think it's possible to over anaylze either of the first two films because the writers have drawn from the themes/character development to write the rest of the tale.

What's important about that line in particular is that Jack rarely asks for help. It shows that he has faith in Will's cleverness to get him out of the sticky situation.

There are some other moments in the island scene that I want to touch on briefly. They mention that Jack is a in human form. He can only live so long as he acts like a god.

I equate that to Jack's situation in being a pirate. He can only live in the pirate world so long as he behaves like a pirate. He cannot escape that world without Will's help.

"This may sound a bit crazy, but PirateDiva and I would talk about the cannibal scene where Jack says "Save me" to Will. Correct me if I'm wrong but I have never seen Jack calling for help like that."----minie mina

It also shows just how desperate the situation really is. Jack and the crew really would have died if someone else had not come along. It also is one of the many foreshadowings (if that's a word) of Jack's death. He first appears in a coffin, he's going to be sacrificed, he falls into a grave, etc. He even drops a bottle with sand in it and the sand scatters beautifully to the ground as he is told by Bootstrap his time is running out. I have a teacher that says a great twist (Jack's death) is one that if you go back and read it, you realize it wasn't that big a twist after all.

I think with Will is the same. I think they both need eachother in those kind of situations. Though they still watch their backs.

I'm not sure if Will is sitll having touble accepting his pirate side. He is embracing it pretty well. He is excellent, actually. Will believes that in order to beat a pirate he must become a pirate.

I think by AWE he'll snap. He's tired of losing in spite of playing by the rules, so he's going to see what it's like to really break them and I bet he'll surprise everyone.

So I'm really excited for how Jack is going to react to that. Does he see any pirate tendencies in Will? I think he does. He gets on him in COTBP for criticizing pirates when Will is definitely on his way to becoming one. Good old perceptive Jack.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
"This may sound a bit crazy, but PirateDiva and I would talk about the cannibal scene where Jack says "Save me" to Will. Correct me if I'm wrong but I have never seen Jack calling for help like that."----minie mina

It also shows just how desperate the situation really is. Jack and the crew really would have died if someone else had not come along. It also is one of the many foreshadowings (if that's a word) of Jack's death. He first appears in a coffin, he's going to be sacrificed, he falls into a grave, etc. He even drops a bottle with sand in it and the sand scatters beautifully to the ground as he is told by Bootstrap his time is running out. I have a teacher that says a great twist (Jack's death) is one that if you go back and read it, you realize it wasn't that big a twist after all.

Willo, I think the coffin scene foreshadows two things:

Jack's death by the end of DMC

and Jack rising from the grave, when he smashed the coffin and got out of it.

That's my analyses on that.

"I think by AWE he'll snap. He's tired of losing in spite of playing by the rules, so he's going to see what it's like to really break them and I bet he'll surprise everyone.

So I'm really excited for how Jack is going to react to that. Does he see any pirate tendencies in Will? I think he does. He gets on him in COTBP for criticizing pirates when Will is definitely on his way to becoming one. Good old perceptive Jack."

thats a good thought, but jack has absolutely NO idea that will saw them kiss, so does he still think that will has his back and is will still watching jacks back. and i know that they brought him back but will's feeling toward jack have definitely changed.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
I think by AWE he'll snap. He's tired of losing in spite of playing by the rules, so he's going to see what it's like to really break them and I bet he'll surprise everyone.

So I'm really excited for how Jack is going to react to that. Does he see any pirate tendencies in Will? I think he does. He gets on him in COTBP for criticizing pirates when Will is definitely on his way to becoming one. Good old perceptive Jack.

You know he does. He says it again in DMC. Will looks at what Jack has told him is the Flying Dutchman and says: "It doesn't look like much."

To which Jack replies: "Neither do you--do not underestimate it."

My belief has always been that Will has the makings of a natural pirate, but he's the last to realize it.

Originally posted by lady_captinjack
"I think by AWE he'll snap. He's tired of losing in spite of playing by the rules, so he's going to see what it's like to really break them and I bet he'll surprise everyone.

So I'm really excited for how Jack is going to react to that. Does he see any pirate tendencies in Will? I think he does. He gets on him in COTBP for criticizing pirates when Will is definitely on his way to becoming one. Good old perceptive Jack."

thats a good thought, but jack has absolutely NO idea that will saw them kiss, so does he still think that will has his back and is will still watching jacks back. and i know that they brought him back but will's feeling toward jack have definitely changed.

No. I think Jack knows by the time that Will arrives on the Island to stab the heart that he's crossed Will one too many times to count on him as a friend any more. I think Jack realizes that Will has his own motivations now, and that they won't necessarily align with his.

Also, you have to remember that Will and Jack are not necessarily friends. Will says it best, when he says that they're more acquaintances than friends. So they only have each other's backs when they share a common goal.

Originally posted by savvysparrow
No. I think Jack knows by the time that Will arrives on the Island to stab the heart that he's crossed Will one too many times to count on him as a friend any more. I think Jack realizes that Will has his own motivations now, and that they won't necessarily align with his.

Also, you have to remember that Will and Jack are not necessarily friends. Will says it best, when he says that they're more acquaintances than friends. So they only have each other's backs when they share a common goal.

And he also mentions that as if watching his back from Beckette. They are more aquaintances than friends because they only work together when it's necessary. They are not so much as friends because they betray eachother at times and they usually watch their backs from each other. Still, I love them both when they work together.

Originally posted by Pirategirl85
What do you guys think about Beckett, we don't know his whole history, but the question is who is Lord Culter Beckett, and was he or not a Pirate???

NO, the PO8 comes via Mercer and Singapore. Barbossa had it in Feng's hideout.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
I think by AWE he'll snap. He's tired of losing in spite of playing by the rules, so he's going to see what it's like to really break them and I bet he'll surprise everyone.

So I'm really excited for how Jack is going to react to that. Does he see any pirate tendencies in Will? I think he does. He gets on him in COTBP for criticizing pirates when Will is definitely on his way to becoming one. Good old perceptive Jack.

Although, have you read the back of Will's action figure for AWE? VERY interesting...

Will Turner, the son of a pirate, has given up his place in colonial society. Having spent a life in pursuit of honor, Will must betray everything he believes in to save the ones he loves. But how does a man choose between the love of his life and a father he's never known?

Originally posted by Ericadawn
Although, have you read the back of Will's action figure for AWE? VERY interesting...

Will Turner, the son of a pirate, has given up his place in colonial society. Having spent a life in pursuit of honor, Will must betray everything he believes in to save the ones he loves. But how does a man choose between the love of his life and a father he's never known?

Well, he doesn't exactly choose now does he? He sort of has the decision made for him based on a life or death situation. And maybe he won't have to choose, maybe he'll win the whole prize package.

But that is definitely worded in a mysterious fashion and it makes me a little sad for him as a character.

Lots of interesting things to pick out of that actually. For instance, they make sure to mention that he is the SON of a pirate and that he gives up colonial life. We sort of knew that already.

Also, they mention that he betrays his beliefs to save the ones he loves. So we know he has to betray his beliefs to rescue the Pearl and his father but the way it's worded suggests to me that ther is more than one betrayal.

Well, it almost sounds to me as if he is somehow forced into a situation where he must choose between his honor and saving the lives of others. We know about him taking the Pearl, but as you said, Savvy, it doesn't seem like that is the end of the story.

I don't know how anyone couldn't feel bad for Will. His life has been difficult enough, and now he's at the point where he could lose everything. Friends, family, his love...his life. He's not having a very good year, is he?

Actually, I really don't see how AWE will end in a satisfying way for all the characters. I know the writers will come up with something ingenius, but there is so much heartbreaking loss in the film. It seems a little heavy handed.

On the other hand, Will does get a few small things in return for the sacrifice he makes. Mainly, he saves the day, defeats the villain, wins a kick-ass ship, earns his father's freedom, becomes immortal, and gets a stellar earring. He may also potentially get the girl; so things aren't exactly so bleak for him that we should pull out the hanky just yet.

I'm not sure Will gets to free his father or not, technically. I think once you say you will serve the ship, you serve it until you become a part of it or until your soul moves on. Even with Will as captain, his father is probably bound to serve on the Dutchman for eternity, or until Will releases him from his debt.

I guess we'll have to see. 😄

Ah, now you might be onto something there. He's techincally not free, so Will has essentially made a promise that he cannot fulfill unless his father dies, or unless Will becomes immortal. Although, I wonder why it is they decided not to have him make the choice by himself rather than with Jack's help. I really feel like there is a huge chunk of the puzzle that we're missing. Not that it's a bad thing, there has to be something left up to surprise.

Although, besides the touch of destiny scene, are there other moments in DMC that foreshadow Will's future? We know that Jack's fate was foreshadowed from the beginning.

^^What is Jack's fate? Or are you talking about DMC....

In POTC...Jack sails into Port Royal on a sinking "longboat" basically
and he sails out of Port Royal on the Black Pearl...

At the beginning of DMC he is in a coffin and pops out...and in the end, he goes to his "grave" by going down with the Pearl in the mouth of the Kracken...

Hmmm, that's an interesting observation. I never thought of it that way. Also, the fact that he was dealt a killer blow by Barbossa but managed to survive by the strength of his wits reveals a lot about him too.

However, I was actually referring to Will in DMC. I was wondering if what we know about Will's fate in AWE is in any way foreshadowed by the events of DMC.

Originally posted by Surreal_44
Well, it almost sounds to me as if he is somehow forced into a situation where he must choose between his honor and saving the lives of others. We know about him taking the Pearl, but as you said, Savvy, it doesn't seem like that is the end of the story.

I don't know how anyone couldn't feel bad for Will. His life has been difficult enough, and now he's at the point where he could lose everything. Friends, family, his love...his life. He's not having a very good year, is he?

I feel bad for Will...but I also feel really bad for Jack, everyone abuses his good nature...they all think he is a betrayer and a liar, yet when he does do something good....his "friends" basically stab him in the back..they take advantage of Jack when he shows his good side...and looks where it's landed him now...in Davy's Locker.....

And you guys keep talking about Jack betraying basically everyone in AWE...but I've heard they all betray each other at some point, and then overcome their differences and come together to fight a common foe...

^^^and Jack's not really a liar, he just doesn't tell the whole truth...not saying that that's a good thing..but sometimes I think he does that to protect others....but I digress..sorry this is the spoiler thread...