Originally posted by lovethemtigers
the only spoiler I have is I saw the AWE toys live and in person at Target last night..and I'm so excited.
I'm thinking I may have to go for a viewing tomorrow to see them in all their glory. When you really think about it, our agony will be over when the novelization comes out, which is actually very soon. A little over two weeks to be precise.
I think we see a hint of Will's destiny when he takes over the Pearl in DMC after Jack has tried to leave on the long boat. Will showed not only that he could easily lead people into battle, but also that he's a brilliant tactician. I suppose that could be seen as foreshadowing to his fate, as is the fact that he has managed to survive three ship wrecks now.
And the fact that Will's romantic life is vaguely similar to Jones, I suppose that's foreshadowing too, and the promise to pierce the heart with the knife...but those are all kind of straight-forward, so I don't know if it counts as foreshadowing or not. 😄
Foreshadowing is not always subtle, thought, Surreal. Here, I think it is because if you're not a person who's on all these message boards, you probably aren't thinking yet how the stories parallel each other. I think only if you come to a place where you can discuss it can you really start to get the little clues. Your casual fan has probably only seen it once or twice and doesn't focus in on every detail.
Also, the foreshadowing of Jack's death isn't subtle at all. Appears out of a coffin, people try to kill him, he falls into a grave, all these references to time being out. Sometimes the clues are a little more obvious.
Originally posted by Surreal_44
I think we see a hint of Will's destiny when he takes over the Pearl in DMC after Jack has tried to leave on the long boat. Will showed not only that he could easily lead people into battle, but also that he's a brilliant tactician. I suppose that could be seen as foreshadowing to his fate, as is the fact that he has managed to survive three ship wrecks now.And the fact that Will's romantic life is vaguely similar to Jones, I suppose that's foreshadowing too, and the promise to pierce the heart with the knife...but those are all kind of straight-forward, so I don't know if it counts as foreshadowing or not. 😄
That was exactly as I was thinking when he was taking over the Pearl and leading them into battle.
As much Jack likes to tease him and all, he knows that Will is very much capable in taking the lead as a captain and embraces very well piracy.
Will's romantic life is similar to Jones, but the "cut him heart" I'm not sure if that's going to happen. Because why do we need the exact same thing that happened to Jones? A story that we all already know.
I know that he will stab the heart, it is his destiny in doing so. And he also promised to his father while he was escaping from the FD.
Actually, I was thinking about Bootstrap and Will's fate. Remember the scene where Bootstrap and Will are on the Dutchman, and they're told to secure the same cannon? Notice the way that they move in unison. Every movement parallels one another. I don't think this is coincidental, or necessarily meant to indicate that they are father and son. Really, I think it's meant to foreshadow that father and son will share the same fate. If you notice the rest of their blocking for the scenes on the Dutchman, much of their blocking is very similar.
Again, I'll go back to Bootstrap's line: "I'm sorry for my part in the mutiny, I stood up for you, everything went wrong after that."
Will stood up for Jack in CoTBP. It seems as though everything is going wrong for him thus far. He's become a pirate, he's potentially lost his fiancee, he'll die and become immortal.
Though it is Bootstrap's fate to die at sea, he does not intend it for Will, but through making his promise to free his father, Will has essentially already sealed that fate.
Also, going back to COTBP. The writers have said that when they were designing the sequel that they wanted to tell a story that started with the first frame of COTBP and end with the last frame of AWE. Which means that every thing in the movies is important. Don't forget that Will has already directly stated in the first film that he'd 'die' for her.
I feel horrible for Will. I may sound selfish and I do appoligize for saying this. I'am a Sparrabeth and I want Jack and Liz to be together in some way, but I just have a lot of sympathy for Will. Bittersweet or not, I want Will to have his kick as ending as well.
Also, I think Will knew about how the legend works if you stab the heart. Or did he? The scene where Will is showing the map of the key to his father and the barnacle man showed up out of nowhere. Saying not to stab the heart because they will have no captain and they NEED a captain.
No, I don't think he knows all of the details about the legend. Which is one of the many reasons why Jack is so keen to stop him from stabbing the heart on the island. He's attempting to save Will from doing harm to himself and at the same time, looking out for old Jack. I'm not even sure Will finds out about the full repercussions of the legend until after its too late. It's just a hunch though. I don't think Will would have been remotely willing to stab the heart on the Isle Cruses if he knew that it would mean his being divided from Elizabeth on a permanent basis. He'd have no reason to want to be divided from her other than saving his father. So that tells me he's not fully informed.
Exactly.
IMO, Jack didn't care in becoming immortal in DMC. He just wanted to negotiate with Davy by taking his heart as a hostage.
But now that he died and hated it, he just wants the chest all to himself with no remorse at all and not caring for Davy's death or other people. He just wants to become immortal so he would never die again.
That's what I think.
Yes, it does seem as though his priorities shift in AWE and from the first draft of the script, I think that's probably the direction he is heading, but somewhere along the time of the final battle, he has a change of heart. Also, Teague is supposed to make a comment about Jack's quest for immortality and hopefully will remind him that his priorities aren't necessarily where they should be. By the time Jack gets the chest and fights Jones in the crow's nest, his attitude about the heart has changed from gaining immortality to making ammends for his wrong doings and winning the battle.
Well, we sort of know it is already. Here's what we pretty much can almost infer. That Will stabs the heart because he's mortally wounded by someone. He becomes Captain of the Dutchman, turns the Dutchman on Beckett's armada and turns the tide of the battle. That's what we know.
We also know that Will's choice to stab the heart has NOTHING what-so-ever to do with being heartbroken and EVERYTHING to do with a life or death situation. He can be parted from Elizabeth forever through death, or he can become immortal, and see her every ten years.
Well, if Will becomes Captain of the Dutchman, he won't be repeating his fate, if that makes any sense, because he has his own identity. He's too strong of a person to rip out his heart for the sake of a woman. His choice to stab the heart to save his father will, I think probably reverse the curse.
Also, that line is spoken to Governor Swann after he is told that Elizabeth perished after the Black Pearl went down.
Yeah, I know that. I have the script.
Swann wanted to stab the heart.
The reasons for Davy to cut his own heart was of a broken heart. Davy was just fine rescuing souls until Calypso broke up with him and it led him in doing such a horrible thing.
But I figure that with Will is different. He loves Elizabeth, I assume that her happiness is his happiness as well. So to see him cut his heart because of Elizabeth would be aweful. I don't want that to happen too Will, and I'm sure it won't happen that way.