Originally posted by Metalmanx
I think it's VERY fair to assume that this blast was more powerful than any electricity Kitty has ever encountered and most likely anything Storm could create.http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/5706/astonishingxmen01204ec7.jpg
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http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/1691/astonishingxmen01206zd3.jpgShe looks fine to me.
Actually, Storm can dwarf that and she has. That said, that blast was not electrical. Cyclop's blast would pass right through her without harming her as well as most characters' energy blasts. However, she is vulnerable to electricity and Storm can take full advantage of that.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I guess creating wormholes is just an elementary and very basic function of magnetism. 😐
What does this have to do with electric control? As a matter of fact, what does this even have to do with his powers? I could see Storm or Graviton pulling something like this, but Magneto? I always wondered how he accomplished this trick. That said, it does not help at all with his control over electricity vs. Storm's.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Easily, I can claim that. I believe she has held her breath to the center of the Earth. Also, she has traversed great distances by holding her breath, leaping into the earth and allowing the earth to spin while she is no longer held down by gravity or something like that. I believe in this issue she grabs Jubilee, tells her to hold her breath and then they leap into the earth.In the scan you posted, she only said a VERY few words while phased in that wall. She obviously used just a portion of her air supply. Her head was where air was available on the first and third pages.
doh
There's no debating with you.
Kitty did NOT hold her breathe. She didn't know how deep it was. What if that metal had gone on another 500 feet? You think she would've wasted precious air if there was the risk of her suffocating underground? 🤨
Come on, man. You can't be this ignorant nor dense. 😬
Look, the fact is, Kitty has to breathe and she is vulnerable to electricity. Storm wins because of this. Magneto has never produced any electrical attack that approaches anything close to any of Storm's more powerful shows of electrical force. In that issue of 150, he merely attracted a bolt from the sky. Storm has channeled the full electrical power of a storm through her body. This puts the energy Magneto controlled in Uncanny 150 to shame. Kitty cannot win this fight unless Storm took stupid pills that day. The best Kitty can hope for is a draw and that won't happen since Storm has weapons in her arsenal that can hurt or even kill Kitty.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
dohThere's no debating with you.
Kitty did NOT hold her breathe. She didn't know how deep it was. What if that metal had gone on another 500 feet? You think she would've wasted precious air if there was the risk of her suffocating underground? 🤨
Come on, man. You can't be this ignorant nor dense. 😬
What part of she has phased to the core of the planet did you not understand? She holds her breath when she does this. 500 ft deep is nothing for Kitty. She obviously goes down VERY fast.
Originally posted by Rutog98
What does this have to do with electric control? As a matter of fact, what does this even have to do with his powers? I could see Storm or Graviton pulling something like this, but Magneto? I always wondered how he accomplished this trick. That said, it does not help at all with his control over electricity vs. Storm's.
..You could see...Storm...doing it...?
That's it. You're hopeless. I'm done with this thread until later.
Stalemate since Storm will be running away.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
..You could see...Storm...doing it...?That's it. You're hopeless. I'm done with this thread until later.
Stalemate since Storm will be running away.
Yes, Storm can do it conceiveably. According to the first of those scans I posted where she sees the universe as patterns of energy and forces, she can see even empty space as patters of energy and bend it to her will. It is quite possible that she could create wormholes or even open doorways to other dimensions if a writer wanted to explore this. Its already canon that she can control the energy that compse even empty space.
It makes more sense for Storm than Magneto. She controls the forces that compose and govern the universe. Canon.
Maybe this will help you out:
Originally posted by Rutog98
It makes more sense for Storm than Magneto. She controls the forces that compose and govern the universe. Canon.
Maybe this will help you out:
Seriously, since lightning doesn't work and nobody knows the effect of cold on Kitty, this is a stalemate. Whatever Magneto did probably had something to do with his obscene skill, knowledge, and access to nearly every type of energy.
To think of it, Storm has done some great feats with the EM Spectrum.
Her weather manipulation gives her an endless array of possiblities.
Magneto seems to have more control over the magnetism part of the spectrum.
Storm controls the spectrum by default of her mutant powers along with moisture, temp, pressure etc.
Surely she can thwart Kitty.
Of course he has more control over magnetism. It's his base power. But he essentially romps through them all because he doesn't care, he's Magneto. On top of that, he's a hardcore scientist. That's one of the major things that makes Magneto so powerful in my eyes.
Storm seems very spiritual and natural about things, hence why it makes sense she would fall into using all that control to create weather to do her bidding. That's all fine and dandy. Learning by doing works wonders for people.
But I'm not spiritual at all. If I want to learn exactly what something can do to every possible end I study its every detail and that's what Magneto did with his powers.
I thought Storm would have an easy time with Kitty too but apparently her phasing doesn't make her as unstable as I thought. Being immune to large amounts of electricity and I guess most types of energy covers a bunch of the fatal flaws I imagined would come with phasing too.
Even the freezing thing I think is iffy. If she phases by thinning her molecules and/or atoms out she'd probably lose a ton of heat in the process anyway. And traveling through solid objects would just pull even more out of her. But it's comic book science. Who knows how it'll work.
IMO shadowcat wins or its a stalemate. Electricity can't effect her, coz she passes thru MATTER and electricity is just a stream of electrons. It's true that EMP effects her, but electricity is not part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Personally, I havn't seen it when Magneto hits her with what is supposedly electricity. SO, Lightning is out. And as for cold, well when Kitty is phased she cools down/heats up a lot slower, as heat is only transferred thru radiation (not conduction or convection). Finally, as for air-walking while its windy...? no difference her ability to air walk is from her ability to defy gravity when phased, using her own EMP that her phased atoms create - also allows her to change her velocity without the need for physical contact.
So, as long as Storm keeps moving away from kitty.. it will be a stalemate. (Unless of cors, @ the beginnin when they r only 5 yards away, a phased kitty jumps at storm, before she flies up, snd then phases storm, and pulls into the ground...and then unphases her)
SO shadowcat wins 6/10.
Phase, electricity is energy. It's not a bunch of white/blue/yellow twizzlers all in a line. And the freezing method I was talking about is through radiation, or lack of it. But Kitty's powers don't seem to make sense, less sense than phasing powers should, so we won't really know if it works until it happens in a comic.
Also, dare you to prove that Kitty can jump 15 friggen feat. She's not a Xenomorph for crap's sake.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Phase, electricity is energy. It's not a bunch of white/blue/yellow twizzlers all in a line. And the freezing method I was talking about is through radiation, or lack of it. But Kitty's powers don't seem to make sense, less sense than phasing powers should, so we won't really know if it works until it happens in a comic.Also, dare you to prove that Kitty can jump 15 friggen feat. She's not a Xenomorph for crap's sake.
argue
Ok, I'll give you the freezing thing (coz i didn't read wat is was all about). But no electricity rele is the movement of "charge carriers" -i.e. electrons or movable ions. ELECTRICAL ENERGY is the term given to the form of energy they carry when moving as electricity - but this energy can also passed onto to other matter through collisions giving motion or heat, or radiated as light. But the electricity would need to come in contact with Kitty's atoms, but that can't happen when she's phased - in fact her EM fields around her phased atoms (-thts wat makes her ephemeral) throw electrons all over the place - thts y electronic systems malfunction when she phases thru them - so no electricity rele can't hurt her no matter how much potential energy it has, coz it can't pass its electrical energy onto her. all itll do is light her up.....AAAAGGGHHH...???
There another essay.... this is the most I have thought in a long time!!
So I rele think its a stalem8 as neither can hit each other...
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
How so? Magneto's main power is one of the fundamental forces. And since this isn't 1963 anymore, his powers have leaked into the others. He is the unified field theory.Wow, she can see radiation. How uber. And she can convert it into a bunch of lightning.
Seriously, since lightning doesn't work and nobody knows the effect of cold on Kitty, this is a stalemate. Whatever Magneto did probably had something to do with his obscene skill, knowledge, and access to nearly every type of energy.
Magneto is not the unified theory. Period. He has not even shown control over the entire EM spectrum yet.
Storm can perceive the universe as patterns of energies and forces and bend them to her will. Here, she merely generated lightning. However, from that scan, she can even bend space to her will.
Magneto hit Kitty with electricity. It was not "every type of energy" as it was plainly stated. That said, Storm throws MUCH stronger bolts than Magneto can ever hope to throw.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Of course he has more control over magnetism. It's his base power. But he essentially romps through them all because he doesn't care, he's Magneto. On top of that, he's a hardcore scientist. That's one of the major things that makes Magneto so powerful in my eyes.Storm seems very spiritual and natural about things, hence why it makes sense she would fall into using all that control to create weather to do her bidding. That's all fine and dandy. Learning by doing works wonders for people.
But I'm not spiritual at all. If I want to learn exactly what something can do to every possible end I study its every detail and that's what Magneto did with his powers.
I thought Storm would have an easy time with Kitty too but apparently her phasing doesn't make her as unstable as I thought. Being immune to large amounts of electricity and I guess most types of energy covers a bunch of the fatal flaws I imagined would come with phasing too.
Even the freezing thing I think is iffy. If she phases by thinning her molecules and/or atoms out she'd probably lose a ton of heat in the process anyway. And traveling through solid objects would just pull even more out of her. But it's comic book science. Who knows how it'll work.
Where has Kitty ever shown that she is immune to large amounts of electricity? Lightning is easily the most powerful electrical force on the planet. That little stuff she is doing walking through machines don't compare. If Magneto can hit her with an electrical current strong enough to hurt her, Storm, who can generate MUCH stronger currents of electricity than Magneto, can definately hurt her too. MAgneto has more control over the magnetism, Storm is better at the electricity. Magneto has to study to learn more about his powers, Storm instinctively knows. This actually gives her the bigger advantage over Magneto.
