Originally posted by What If...
Because Kitty would just stand there right?Kitty = phase underground = pwn Storm.
That's false...it was over 30 years ago Kitty had to breathe while intangable, recently she's gone miles underground without breathing.
Because she is holding her breath. She's been having to breathe always.
I have already provided scans that prove going underground will not hide her from Ororo.
Jesus, Rutog, you have to be more to the point. I don't think anyone's going to read that big ass book especially when you only have one person who supports your interpretation of Storm's abilities.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Magneto is not the unified theory. Period. He has not even shown control over the entire EM spectrum yet.
Magneto hit Kitty with electricity. It was not "every type of energy" as it was plainly stated. That said, Storm throws MUCH stronger bolts than Magneto can ever hope to throw.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Where has Kitty ever shown that she is immune to large amounts of electricity? Lightning is easily the most powerful electrical force on the planet. That little stuff she is doing walking through machines don't compare.
Magneto has to study to learn more about his powers, Storm instinctively knows. This actually gives her the bigger advantage over Magneto.
Storm obviously not a wild animal and controlling the weather would be mighty complicated, hence why it works for Storm to have hippy skill to allow her to do that. Almost her entire skill set is based on nature and it's a medium for her abilities.
Such skill would not help Magneto bend light or reprogram dozens of robots at a time or create fashionable combs folks to style their hair with. Instinctive use scientific concepts would just be silly. He's not a robot.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
I bet Ororo could produce "positive lightning" (like the bolt in my sig) with EASE.
Originally posted by Soljer
But the storm fanboys have argued in her favor versus Omega level mutants, heralds, gods, and even abstracts.Also, Shadowcat still wins.
It was Rutog that said at her full potential or evolved state, she could take on Abstracts and herlad level would be a "step down".
We don't know what a full potential Storm looks like so that statement was just him giving his estimation on what her powers may be.
Since we don't know what her power at that level would be, how is it wrong...........or right???
A huge percentage of the people storm is pitted against, she can most likely beat while in her present state.
@Swanky Tuna
Why couldn't she? She has FULL control over the Electromagnetic energy in the supercell, hence the name STORM.
It would be no more than the lightning for like 25 miles up the anvil part of the cloud top, except it's 10 times stronger than negative lightning. It woulde be simple task for Storm. 😎
She DOES control the weather you know🙄
Originally posted by Rutog98
Hurricanes generate enough energy to supply the United States for 6 months. This is not over the entire period of the hurricane, but at any given moment when it has matured to a full blown hurricane!
Originally posted by 2damnloud
[B]@Swanky TunaWhy couldn't she? She has FULL control over the Electromagnetic energy in the supercell, hence the name STORM.
It would be no more than the lightning for like 25 miles up the anvil part of the cloud top, except it's 10 times stronger than negative lightning. It woulde be simple task for Storm. 😎
She DOES control the weather you know🙄 [/B]
Funny thought. Maybe she doesn't know what it is. Maybe she should study up on thunderstorms. But that would just make her weaker, right? Knowledge is for dummies.
I jest.
Magneto doesn't control stong and weak force. so he's not a unified theory.
It is a theory after all.
Also, in the comics Stom has gone ABOVE creating positive lightining, surely she can do it.
Weather manip IS her powerset(must I reiterate that🙄 )
Blame the writers for not being MORE adventurous.
Extapolation: Weather manipulation=creation of positive lightning.
It is a naturally occuring weather phenomena(powerset)
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Sadly, your confidence in her ability to do something doesn't hold much weight in a debate.
Actually even if she just makes a normal storm she would still generate some positive lighting (which happens to be far more deadly than what people usually think of lightning)
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Proof please.Because she hasn't done it. Maybe it makes sense that she could but the fact that she hasn't either means she can't or she just wouldn't do it.
Funny thought. Maybe she doesn't know what it is. [b]Maybe she should study up on thunderstorms.
But that would just make her weaker, right? Knowledge is for dummies.I jest. [/B]
Storm does not have to study because she instinctively knows how the forces work together. That is what I was saying. Magneto had to study and experiment, Ororo instinctively knows. In other words, he has to study very hard and may never get to where Storm is.
Storm has total control over every aspect of the weather. She can generate those positive-charged bolts 2Loud is bringing up. Its not even up for discussion.
I'll respond to your other post tomorrow.
Storm does not have to study because she instinctively knows how the forces work together. That is what I was saying. Magneto had to study and experiment, Ororo instinctively knows. In other words, he has to study very hard and may never get to where Storm is
Umm and how would you know this? You just pull this shit out of your ass.
Blame the writers for not being MORE adventurous.
Sorry sweetie, but writers > your opinion on the matter.
Showing us googled pictures of "SWEEET LIGHTNINNG!11!!" isn't going to change anyones mind.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm does not have to study because she instinctively knows how the forces work together. That is what I was saying. Magneto had to study and experiment, Ororo instinctively knows. In other words, he has to study very hard and may never get to where Storm is.Storm has total control over every aspect of the weather. She can generate those positive-charged bolts 2Loud is bringing up. Its not even up for discussion.
I'll respond to your other post tomorrow.
But the point is has she ever done it on panel? Until she does something or mentions doing it you cannot decide whether she can or can't.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Actually even if she just makes a normal storm she would still generate some positive lighting (which happens to be far more deadly than what people usually think of lightning)
But I think Rudy and 2cloud are under the impression that she is directly controlling every aspect of storms under her power. That she manually directs every molecule of water to condense in order to fall and every particle of air to spin in a circle to create a tornado. Like a telekinetic doing a magic show. Incredibly wasteful. I believe this was brought up in another thread. I don't remember if they even responded to it.
No, all you've said it what you don't THINK/BELIEVE she is doing because it's "too wasteful".
Explain "very intricate energy manipulation".
Also, explain with said "very intricate 'energy' manipulation", why she would NEED to telekenetically, manually, do ANYTHING to air "particles" and water molecules???
What are the "energies" she so "intricately" manipulates??
Originally posted by 2damnloud
No, all you've said it what you don't THINK/BELIEVE she is doing because it's "too wasteful".
Explain "very intricate energy manipulation".
Look it up in the dictionary, it means exactly what the four words combined mean.
Also, explain with said "very intricate 'energy' manipulation", why she would NEED to telekenetically, manually, do ANYTHING to air "particles" and water molecules???
She wouldn't, mostly because she can't. The telekinetic part is what I think you and Rudy think Storm does.
What are the "energies" she so "intricately" manipulates??
But a good chunk of EM spectrum, in theory. But mind you, not in the Magneto "I do whatever I want" way. I haven't seen that kind of versatility. Similar to the way Iceman is stuck on creating cold with his energy manipulation, Storm is ingrained with weather control.
All weather seems to be rooted in the transfer of heat through the atmosphere. Obviously it's not simply that or Human Torch would be accidentally making weather changes wherever he went. That's where the intricacy comes in. The strings need to be pulled a certain way for the weather change to take place. And since Storm has such control over this, she can create optimal conditions, thus the effect can be stronger than normal. And the neat thing is once it's going she can do something else. She just needs to feed it a little. Kind of like how Magneto only needed to push Asteroid M a little once it was in orbit.
It doesn't really require so much raw power but as much as it requires finesse and subtly. The atmosphere is a very powerful thing, so coaxing it to carry out your will is a pretty clever thing to do to create greater effects if you have the ability. Oh, and clearly she doesn't have control over just heat energy since she can fire hand lightning and summon lightning. But compare the two. Her self generated electricity doesn't really compare to the lightning she can trigger from the sky.
This is kind of similar to a pulley system. The way it allows someone to lift far more than they normally would.
So in theory, I think she could do the same nonsensical things Magneto does, the same way he does, but it would require getting past the weather thing. And not a telekinetic.
You know, I just realized the irony of me telling Rudy to keep things short and that it was probably pointless to type this all out.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Jesus, Rutog, you have to be more to the point. I don't think anyone's going to read that big ass book especially when you only have one person who supports your interpretation of Storm's abilities.
I have tried to be concise, but people keep trying to argue that Magneto can toss stronger electrical assaults than Ororo despite my short, concise arguments. Then they are still trying to claim that Kitty does not have to breathe, etc. Therefore, I figured I had to do something more detailed...
I haven't read the unified theory theory recently so I mixed that up. Offhand, I can't think of many of Magneto's energy feats except for the comb and being able to play with gravity through his own EM powers. That alone is a sign he might be a unified theory.
With the comb, he merely pulled atoms together to create a metal comb. It was a huge strain for him and everything. Its not something he does often. Storm beats that with her creating clothing out of thin air trick.
I think I need to see this attack in scan form. Is it in this thread? And who said anything about the attack being of every type of energy? As for the lightning off... I dunno, Magneto is pretty stacked for energy manipulation.
I don't have the scan. Basically, as Kitty phases through Magneto, it hurts him as it disrupts his natural magnetic field. In a fit of a beserker rage, he hits her with an electrical current as she is phasing and nearly kills her. Storm flies up and sees this and is ready to kill him. They talk and he leaves.
Aside from a possibly questionable, one time instance with Magneto, has she ever been hurt by electricity? By walking through cable trunks and super computers? Those two things on their own can kill a couple people a couple times over easy.
Here is your problem with this argument: In the same issue Magneto electrocutes her, she walks through his machines and scrambles them up. That is why the two have a confrontation in the issue to begin with. Obviously, Magneto can toss bigger jolts than those machines and his electrical projections don't begin to match Ororo's.
Instinct only helps if you're an animal in a fight. I mean... like a wild animal, not "we're all animals." Intelligence brings about creativity and versatility, which is why Magneto isn't a second rate Spider-man villain and has become the planetary thread he is today.
Save for the horrible Dickey "Storm" mini, Ororo has always just known how her powers worked.
Such skill would not help Magneto bend light or reprogram dozens of robots at a time or create fashionable combs folks to style their hair with. Instinctive use scientific concepts would just be silly. He's not a robot.
I don't see your point here.