Storm vs Kitty Pride

Started by 2damnloud43 pages

Cool, anyway Some physics on both Storm and Kitty(mainly the movie incarnations, doesn;t matter since they are referring to their normal feats)

-In one scene, a mutant is able to walk through walls, something we all know is impossible. It is impossible for two objects to occupy the same space- except for waves. Also, a person would need to change the atomic structure of a wall in order to walk through it, meaning he would need to lose atoms. If the mutant were to walk through the wall and interact with it, the law of conservation of momentum states that he should lose velocity, but that the mutant maintains his speed. This would break the law of conservation of momentum, so we must assume that he doesn’t interact with the wall. This also breaks the laws of physics because how could you run through a wall and not interact with it?

-The mutant named Storm is able to create a storm using just her mind, something completely impossible for your average person. Weather is affected by the sun, climate changes, and barometric pressure-- not one mutant, and in order to change those items, it would require energy on a very large scale. The feat would require Storm to create giga-watts of power, which is impossible for one person. Her body would have to act like a battery, recharging after each storm. In fact, even one thunderstorm requires massive amounts of energy-- approxomately the same amount needed to create several hydrogen bombs.

Abstract

The purpose of this essay is to calculate the power of the mutant Storm from the X-Men movie (2000) releases in the creation of a tornado.
Introduction

Power is the rate at which work is done or energy is consumed. Therefore if you can find the amount of energy in a tornado you can can figure the power involved in making it if you divide the energy by the time it takes to create.
Procedure

1. Look online for the energy inside of an average tornado.
2. Watch X-Men the movie and find a scene where Storm creates a tornado.
3. Record the time it takes for her to make the tornado by either using a stopwatch or watching a timer in the bottom of screen (if available)
4. Divide the energy by the time to determine power.

Analysis

According to USA Today: Weather the average tornado releases approximately 10,000 kilowatt-hours of energy. Since one watt equals 1 joule per second we know that 1kilowatt equals 1,000 joules per second or that 1 kilowatt-hour = 1,000*60*60 = 3,600,000 joules. Therefore lets assume the tornado that Storm produces involves the release of 36 billion joules or 36 × 109 joules. Now I divide that by the time it took Storm to create a tornado, which was approximately 3 seconds. 36 billion divided by 3 is 12 billion watts.

The average person consumes 2500 food calories a day which is about 10,460,000 joules. To get the power you must divide by how many seconds there in a day, which is 86,400. 10,460 joules divided by 86,400 seconds is roughly equal to 120 watts.
Conclusion

I concluded that Storm delivers approximately 12 gigawatts of power in the creation of a tornado. Which is an incredibly large amount of power for one person to have. For comparison the power of the average person is about 120 watts making Storm about 100 million times more powerful that you or I.
Sources of Error

Some sources of error could be the fact that it is difficult to tell the actual amount of energy inside the tornado Storm makes. I found the average amount of energy in a tornado and there are many tornados which vary in strength so an exact number is hard to come by. Also it is sometimes hard to tell when exactly a tornado begins and ends so the 3 seconds I measured may be slightly off. It might have taken a bit longer or shorter to make the tornado, depending on when it started.

Matthew Michaels -- 2006

Shadowcat wins.

And to think. Storm can not only HARNESS the power of several Hydrogen bombs,(not atomic) but HYDROGEN bombs. She can also conentrate that power into a single blast.

I think storm controls the weather using sub-atomic manipulation since she can view the world as energies that composes it.

Everything("atmospheres"😉 has energy..

This would explain her munipulation of weather OUTSIDE of earth's atmosphere, even in "empty" space(Energy)

Shadowcat wins.

Originally posted by Rutog98
With the comb, he merely pulled atoms together to create a metal comb. It was a huge strain for him and everything. Its not something he does often. Storm beats that with her creating clothing out of thin air trick.

Ehh... I guess, because clothes have more mass than a comb. Both are feats of matter manipulation

I don't have the scan.

Alright.

Originally posted by Rutog98
I don't think Storm is a TK at all, ST. She controls the molecules, atoms and sub-atomic particles directly.

That's telekinesis, Kyle.

You think she manually moves each air particle in a circle in a tornado? Moves each electron down the line for lightning? Pulls each water molecule together to form each individual drop of water? All manually?

You think she's a telekinetic.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
it was probably pointless to type this all out.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Cool, anyway

Are you friggen serious?

I actually went out on a limb and thought there was going to be actual dialog on this. I had no idea you'd just blow off whatever anyone has to say and continue with your misappropriated facts and inane ideas. This makes 0/3 Storm fans that can discuss anything. Now I'm actually embarrassed I didn't just flame you guys from the start like the rest of the peanut gallery. Go back to school, mooks.

What the hell do you want me to say???😆

That was your opinion. I respect it. You're obviously a very smart person

At the end of the day, how does she actually approach the rope to even USE the "pully system"???(Your analogy)

I takes JUICE, and lot's ot it.

How does she control weather in "empty space"??? Once again, by controlling energy.

There is no "pully system" in space.

You're making it seem like she just tugs at this and tugs at that, VUOLA, a selfsustaining Storm.

Okay, my question once again is, how does she even BEGIN to "tug"???

Once again, she controls the weather through manipulation of the energy that encomposes the material elements of her enviroment which goes beyond, in my mind, telekinesis of molecules. It's "telekinesis" of the energies that govern the molecules, thus we get weather in space, weather under water, and weather manip in other dimensions and "telekenisis" of other energy patterns like Solar winds, the galactic core etc.

It is VERY intricate.

Doesn't mean she should alter reality, though

It's my interpretation and it's pretty much canon

You fail to comprehend the analogy, or maybe it's because I didn't explain it. If you have to be exact with the pulley thing, lifting the weight would be the effect, the environment would be the pulley, and her powers would be the person pulling the rope.

Again with the telekinesis. Your canon interpretation of Storm devalues her character.

Ok, I get it now. Basically a broad brush-stoke on her her powers work.

She "telekenetically" manipulates the enviroment(person pulling rope), Things happen(weight) in the atmosphere(Pulley)

My statements still stand though.

Oh and I don't devalue her character. It just is what it is 😊

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Ehh... I guess, because clothes have more mass than a comb. Both are feats of matter manipulation

True, which is extremly weird when you think about it?

With unstable molecules

Creating clothing out of thin air.

Anyway, after finding the scan again, I still think Storm has a chance of defeat Kitty.

I read almost all of this thread and to be honest, I dont know who would win. I would probably side with Storm though for the majority. The scans of Kitty phasing through the alien metal is suspect at best. It stated it was only 100 ft. I'm out of shape, but I bet I could run 60 yards or so without breathing until the end. As mentioned earlier too, people are taking the balloons with words in them as she was talking. Maybe the artist just didnt make dotted lines instead of the solid outline. I would think that Kitty was thinking those words. Why would she speak anyways? There wasnt anybody there to hear or listen to her.

I looked at the scans too that were posted as an example of how electricity doesnt affect Kitty. The scans didnt show this (except for the danger room scene in which Storm wasnt going to throw anything lethal at her anyways and she still felt it), all they showed me was that Kitty herself is able to disrupt electrical constructs due to her phasing powers. I would bet that it could work the other way too.

Like I said, i'm not sure who would win, but I like Storms chances.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Ok, I get it now. Basically a broad brush-stoke on her her powers work.

Not really. I mean, it doesn't go into the mechanics of every individual ability but it basically breaks it down to using a lesser energy manipulation through a medium, usually Earth's atmosphere, to cause a greater effect - tornado, lightning, hurricane, etc.

She "telekenetically" manipulates the enviroment(person pulling rope), Things happen(weight) in the atmosphere(Pulley)

No, put a rubber divider on the conveyor belt between telekinetic part and me. The pulley is the environment, which... I guess is also where the results take place also. In space, her medium is the radiation and crap out there. On Jupiter it's... whatever is on Jupiter. Crap if I know Jupiter's atmosphere.

Oh and I don't devalue her character. It just is what it is 😊

But if she truly controls the entirety of a hurricane's power throughout its lifespan, why not directly use the power to accomplish the goal? Instead of using a tornado to attack Magneto's shield, why not save the wasted energy and manually tear the shield down? Why doesn't she fly around like Surfer or Magneto or Green Lantern who simply exercise their energy manipulation? Is she unable to get past some mental block of controlling the weather? Is she a show off? Is she just stupid?

Originally posted by HandOfFate
True, which is extremly weird when you think about it?

I find it more strange for a Storm feat. Pseudo science is almost as bad as magic and Magneto's power is based on pseudo science. As long as it vaguely makes a little sense I can suspend my disbelief.

Anyway, after finding the scan again, I still think Storm has a chance of defeat Kitty.


Ah man, Magneto, don't get soft because you tried to kill a child. I wonder why the fired bolt did nothing but the charge through the phased arm knocked her out.

I guess I change my stance from "I guess electricity doesn't do anything" to "If Kitty tries anything Storm can knock her out 1970's Magneto style" aka "Kitty still can't win."

Storm is an atmokinetic and ecopath.
As for the way she manipulates the weather, every single handbook says she does this through weather patterns. She can shift weather patterns as they naturally exist from one area to another. For example say Storm's in Wakanda and it's raining in Kenya. Storm can "steal" the rain from Kenya and move the weather pattern causing this to Wakanda therefore causing it to rain in Wakanda.
Then she has other powers which include her bio-electricity, ability to regulate her temperature and rate of breathing as those factors change in enviroment(eg. Temperature change and her breathing when she's flying) and she can "alter her visual perception to view electrical energy patterns as well as those factors responsible for for existing meterological phenomena in her surrounding enviroment."

To me, it seems there's a hierarchy in manipulation of energy:

1.) there's what Storm and other ELementals do
2.)Then there's transmuataion
3.)Then there is relality manipulation

Someone asked this interesting question on yahoo answers. They asked:

"If no two atoms ever touch, how can we experience a physical reality?

It is common knowledge that atoms do not touch one another, they rather orient themselves into electromagnetic alignments of form and patterns. so what we appear to touch is but the electromagnetic-field signature of that pattern. So then what is real?

If our reality is purely electrical how do we know we are not in a simulation like that in the movie the Matrix?"

Well there you go. She manipulates the weather patterns with basically her own subtle brand of energy manipulation. Stupid Marvel bio could of saved me a lot of typing.

Which means she's not channeling the full energy of hurricanes and stuff like that.

^🙄

Also doesn't venture to explain how she has affected things on a cosmic scale.

The last sentence pretty much says what I've been saying: she can "alter her visual perception to view electrical energy patterns as well as those factors responsible for for existing meterological phenomena in her surrounding enviroment."

She harnesses the FULL power of a Storm through altering her perception to see it as electrical energy of which she can "bend to her will"(canon).

If she can harness the "full power of the glactic core"(no arguments please). A Hurricane is nothing.

Im reading something about quantum Mechanics now.

Storm may controlt he weather through this "quantum mechanics" thing.😕

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Also doesn't venture to explain how she has affected things on a cosmic scale.

You mean solar radiation? The weather is just Earth's environment. Radiation is what is in space's environment.

The last sentence pretty much says what I've been saying: she can "alter her visual perception to view electrical energy patterns as well as those factors responsible for for existing meterological phenomena in her surrounding enviroment."

She harnesses the FULL power of a Storm through altering her perception to see it as electrical energy of which she can "bend to her will"(canon).


So wait a minute. You're taking the one line about her being able to see and harness background radiation to mean "Whatever she can see she can control in its entirety"?

I don't usually outright call things stupid, but if so, that's incredibly stupid.

No, I did not WRITE that.

She uses energy patterns to control the weather or specifically the enviroment, mainly.

She can venture into other things though.