Not as much as denial in the face of evidence. 😕
She became one with "it"
She drew "it" in and channeled "it"
She diffused the core of the storm.
No indication of the amount or rate at which she did.
You can only use bias conjecture and speculate because you just can't accept the fact that Storm could have THAT much power to do that.
It's just a recurring theme, that's why I said this argument would most likely go the way of the Galactic Core argument. It's the same sort of mindset.--denial, denial, denial
Let's just say for the sake of argument that it did take her a mad long time draw the stom bit by bit into herself.
Does ANY of that REALLY change the amount of power the storm had as it was absorbed and chanelled through storm??
Can you really quanitfy "not all at once" just with the scan alone, and actually put forth an argument that really makes a difference in how much power the storm had??
Mind you, the scan really gives no indication as to the amount of the storm that was drawn in, let alone at a given time(no time/rate was given), or the rate at which she did this portion to the three-fold process.
The speculation is on YOU 😎
I'm going by the scan, and "it" says it all(pun intended)
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Not as much as denial in the face of evidence. 😕She became one with "it"
She drew "it" in and channeled "it"
She diffused the core of the storm.
No indication of the amount or rate at which she did.
You can only use bias conjecture and speculate because you just can't accept the fact that Storm could have THAT much power to do that.
It's just a recurring theme, that's why I said this argument would most likely go the way of the Galactic Core argument. It's the same sort of mindset.--denial, denial, denial
Let's just say for the sake of argument that it did take her a mad long time draw the stom bit by bit into herself.
Does ANY of that REALLY change the amount of power the storm had as it was absorbed and chanelled through storm??
Can you really quanitfy "not all at once" just with the scan alone, and actually put forth an argument that really makes a difference in how much power the storm had??
Mind you, the scan really gives no indication as to the amount of the storm that drawn in, let alone at a given time(no time/rate was given), or the rate at which she did this portion to the three-fold process.
The speculation is on YOU 😎
I'm going by the scan, and "it" says it all(pun intended)
I was not referring to the scan.
In general, there has recently been a lot of speculation about Storm's power. Especially from cough... Rutog98 cough...
That is what I mean by speculation. I was not directing it to you at all.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
😆Just refuse to accept it, just like the Galactic core.
Denial is almost LIMITLESS in the human mind.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Not as much as denial in the face of evidence. 😕She became one with "it"
She drew "it" in and channeled "it"
She diffused the core of the storm.
No indication of the amount or rate at which she did.
You can only use bias conjecture and speculate because you just can't accept the fact that Storm could have THAT much power to do that.
It's just a recurring theme, that's why I said this argument would most likely go the way of the Galactic Core argument. It's the same sort of mindset.--denial, denial, denial
The galactic core was purely due to either reading to fast and missing the word "full" or that part was on another page that I didn't see until later. If I had caught it, I wouldn't of argued against it but rather stated how ridiculous the feat was then maybe made fun of the writer a little.
I guess I'm not the only one with themes though. You seem to have the problem of confusing logic with speculation and vice versa.
Let's just say for the sake of argument that it did take her a mad long time draw the stom bit by bit into herself.
To clarify, I don't mean like intake X amount of energy, stop, expel X amount of energy until empty. Repeat process. I mean quite literally like someone constantly pouring water into a funnel, without overflowing it, as it constantly drains out.
Does ANY of that REALLY change the amount of power the storm had as it was absorbed and chanelled through storm??
Why yes it does. Hypothetically, say the storm's core was 1000 "points". If she took the whole thing in at once before channeling it, she would be able to absorb the 1000 points. But if she can do that, why bother redirecting it? She'd probably be nice and alert before Northstar or whoever clocked her in the back of the head.
But back to the point, she would have this 1000 point energy. I doubt it. The only reason I see to claim it was as such is to claim she has a much higher capacity for energy. It says she's drawing it in and channeling it all in one motion. So that would be like taking in 5 points a second and expelling the 5. At any given time she only has 5 or 10 points on her at once.
Now before you go crazy, I didn't put any thought into the ratio. It's purely to illustrate the difference, not to claim she can't handle a 9 volt battery or anything.
Can you really quanitfy "not all at once" just with the scan alone, and actually put forth an argument that really makes a difference in how much power the storm had??
The entire feat is on that page is it not? As a person who reads every day, I feel completely confident that the caption describes her taking in and expelling at the same time. That alone shows that no much energy, no matter how fast, it is not the full amount of the storm's core. It logically cannot be because of the energy being filtered out. But furthermore, the sunrise bit proves the amount she had at any given time was likely much less than the totality of the storm. How long does it take it to go from pitch black with the stars still shining to the sun getting ready to peak over the horizon?
Mind you, the scan really gives no indication as to the amount of the storm that was drawn in, let alone at a given time(no time/rate was given), or the rate at which she did this portion to the three-fold process.
I don't know why you insist saying it took 3 steps when drawing and channeling are taking place simultaneously.
I'm going by the scan, and "it" says it all(pun intended)
You're really butchering this. It is just refers to the core in general. She is drawing in the core. It doesn't say how much of the core she takes in at any given point but by depicting it as processing the energy over time, it does show that it is not the full energy of the storm's core.
Originally posted by bean_machine
Or do you not concede that FP Storm >= Galactus or PF, is a lot of speculation as well, at least for the time being?
Nobody has EVER claimed that FP can for sure beat these characters. What I stated, since I think you are referring to me, is that it is possible given what has been established so far:
1) She controls the forces that compose and govern the universe
2) Her powers are limited only by her will and body
3) She has the potential to evolve and transcend the body as stated in X-Treme, stated in the Official Handbook, show in Uncanny 147 and also in the 12 story arc, here: http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evolvedstorm1wtno0.jpg
4) Therefore, it can be asserted that she can potentially control the forces that govern the universe on an unlimited scale as her power will be limited only to her imagination.
Given these facts, can one say for sure she can beat Galactus or PF? Well, not really since we have not had a chance to really see what a FP Storm can do, however, I think given what her powers are and the fact that she potentially has limitless power in this, she probably could accomoplish this. However, as of right now, I am not going to say that Galactus or PF can either defeat or be defeated by FP Storm.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna[b]
But if she truly controls the entirety of a hurricane's power throughout its lifespan, why not directly use the power to accomplish the goal? Instead of using a tornado to attack Magneto's shield, why not save the wasted energy and manually tear the shield down? Why doesn't she fly around like Surfer or Magneto or Green Lantern who simply exercise their energy manipulation? Is she unable to get past some mental block of controlling the weather? Is she a show off? Is she just stupid?I find it more strange for a Storm feat. Pseudo science is almost as bad as magic and Magneto's power is based on pseudo science. As long as it vaguely makes a little sense I can suspend my disbelief.
Storm has used her power to manipulate energy to turn people's powers against them. Check out this scan of her manipulating the energies that composes Silk Worm's webbing to turn it against the wielder:
She should be able to simply tear apart Magneto's force-field and do other things, but she does not.
Maybe Storm can use her control over energy patterns on Magneto.
His power is depenent on the uniform orbit of electrons which create magnetic feilds.
Magnetism doesn't exist without electricity.
Maybe she can somehow rob the area of electrons of disrupt their alignment by ionization.
😕
Theonly thing storm hasn't really done with the EM spectrum is actually "magnetize" things to the degree Magneto has.
She has made plasma, of course Lightning, EMP's, Solar Radiation, made the bathingsuit easily(he has made the comb with some strain)
I also don't thing storm has messed with photons(light)
She has obviously harnessed much more electrical power and celestial energies(electromagnetic) than he has from my knowledge.
It would be a good fight.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Maybe Storm can use her control over energy patterns on Magneto.His power is depenent on the uniform orbit of electrons which create magnetic feilds.
Magnetism doesn't exist without electricity.
Maybe she can somehow rob the area of electrons of disrupt their alignment by ionization.
She has pulled electricity out of EM fields. In her first mini, she pulled electricity out of the planetary EM fields and channeled it through her body to fire as bolts from her hands.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
She has made plasma, of course Lightning, EMP's, Solar Radiation, made the bathingsuit easily(he has made the comb with some strain)
And you have to keep the time periods in mind. Magneto made that comb more than twenty years ago. Secret Wars wasn't it?
Originally posted by Rutog98
She says that the webs are created out of energy in the first box. In the second box, she states that she can as easily as thread. In the third box, she states what you posted.
