Storm vs Kitty Pride

Originally posted by Rutog98
Did SHE show the ability to move from place A to B at lightspeed on her own? I seriously doubt it hence she had to get on his board and he had to get her there. Your argument does not work. Anywhoo, that is a farcry from what is going on here. Storm LITERALLY pulled these feats and these power levels were given to her in plain english in canon.

So, if she is flying along, and does this to Storm, wonder what would happen...

Hey, my story is as canon as yours.

Your story has 000000000000.000000000000 continuity though.😱

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Your story has 000000000000.000000000000 continuity though.😱

I'm not going to go check out a random issue number, that I could probably never get, just like he would never check out whatever the f*ck I just said.
I really don't see a difference.

I've seen shit like this happen on the forum many times, and if we took this as proof, then Thor flies around the universe in under a minute, Storm is TOAA.

Anyway, he may be telling the truth, but I don't care, who the hell is going to go and find issue 369 or whatever of the Uncanny X-Men, just so they can respond to him?

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
For all I know, so does Rutog's.

I'm not going to go check out a random issue number, that I could probably never get, just like he would never check out whatever the f*ck I just said.
I really don't see a difference.

I've seen shit like this happen on the forum many times, and if we took this as proof, then Thor flies around the universe in under a minute, Storm is TOAA.

Anyway, he may be telling the truth, but I don't care, who the hell is going to go and find issue 369 or whatever of the Uncanny X-Men, just so they can respond to him?

I don't really see what the problem is here. Storm is a Phoenix-level character. Period.

@2Loud: In the Dark Phoenix Saga, Phoenix's potential was put as second only to the creator. She had near-infinite power with the potential to wield unlimited. CC paralleled the two character's power/potential.

So lets take a look at the score card here:

1) Phoenix's powers were tempered by Jean's humanity. When stripped away, she had near-infinite power with unlimited power in her grasp. Storm's powers are also tempered by humanity. Strip that away and she has near-infinite power with the potential to wield unlimited power and was paralleled with DP.

2) Ororo can perceive the universe as patterns of energy and forces which she can shape like a sculptess does clay.

3) Ororo's powers are limited only to her body and will and potentially to her imagination only owing to the fact she has the potential to transcend the physical limitations of the body.

4) This lady has summoned the full power of millions of stars.

5) You then have this Trion issue.

You people are upset because she is more than just wind and lightning tossing.

Rutog, who is this Ann Nocenti in your little sig quote?

For a writer, or someone of importance, she has horrible grammar.

She was an X-editor during CC's run and she also wrote some X-Men issues (some of the Classic stuff was her, IIRC) as well as an x-novel entitled "X-Men: Prisoner X."

I believe she also created the characters Spiral and Mojo.

Originally posted by Rutog98
I don't think you are getting what I am saying. What I am disagreeing with is Tuna's claim that the empty space comment merely meant that Storm can control dust, etc found there. That assertion is totally ridiculous.

My point was "empty space" meant space with nothing tangible there, but still leaves the background EM radiation within that space. Dust is there but it's not important. The important part is EM radiation to harnessed to make electricity.

What you're talking about is pure reality manipulation and that's just fanciful. Manipulate space where nothing exists? Beyond space and time's boundaries? Now that's a stretch.

Why would they say that? They weren't in that room where Phoenix always respawns. They were in mom and pop, meat and potatoes space. There was no literally "nothing exists" space there for that comment to be relevant to anything that was happening.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
For all I know, so does Rutog's.

I'm not going to go check out a random issue number, that I could probably never get, just like he would never check out whatever the f*ck I just said.
I really don't see a difference.

I've seen shit like this happen on the forum many times, and if we took this as proof, then Thor flies around the universe in under a minute, Storm is TOAA.

Anyway, he may be telling the truth, but I don't care, who the hell is going to go and find issue 369 or whatever of the Uncanny X-Men, just so they can respond to him?

Basically, here is the story in a nutshell:

The Trion, the three god entites of some reality, attempt to purify themselves by literally ripping the evil out of themselves. This evil energy finds a home in the Juggernaut which boosts his powers to where he can literally punch his way through dimensions. He is wreaking havok in the Trion dimension. Rather than sullying their hands and dealing with him themselves, she send this character, Ejulp, or something or other to bring the X-Men there to stop him.

The energies of this dimension benefit Xavier as its frequencies
increases his TP powers as certain energies can affect TP. (For example, cerebro can enhance TP, EM fields, if manipulated correctly, can cripple long range TP as Magneto has demonstrated on a number of occassions. The list goes on.)

Nightcrawler, as usual, teleports by creating a entering another reality and convering the distance there, hence he creates a tear in reality. In this reality, however, when he uses his powers, there is a creature that lives in the reality he teleports through that comes up through the holes.

Everyone else is exactly the same. Storm controls the elemental forces of the reality, same as she does here, etc.

The Trion is afraid of Storm, Mistress of the Elements, and try to take her off the board as soon as she comes over. They ambush her. Of course, powerful as she is, it does not work. She breaks free and overpowers the Trion collectively single-handedly and mends a tear in reality.

Meanwhile, as she deals with the Trion, the X-Men deal with Juggernaut. Xavier ends up reaching into his mind and bringing Juggernaut to his senses and solves the Juggernaut problem.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It is ridiculous because my assertion had nothing to do with controlling friggen dust.

My point was "empty space" meant space with nothing tangible there, but still leaves the background EM radiation within that space. Dust is there but it's not important. The important part is [b]EM radiation to harnessed to make electricity.

What you're talking about is pure reality manipulation and that's just fanciful. Manipulate space where nothing exists? Beyond space and time's boundaries? Now that's a stretch.

Why would they say that? They weren't in that room where Phoenix always respawns. They were in mom and pop, meat and potatoes space. There was no literally "nothing exists" space there for that comment to be relevant to anything that was happening. [/B]

That's just it. I think Ororo could potentially control reality. That is what I was trying to get at. She controls the forces that compose and govern it. It would be a simple matter of her manipulating that energy in such a way to recreate reality.

EM radiation to harness and make electricity, she can do that as she can also create other types of radiation in the EM spectrum. Hence, when a skrull mimicked her power, he was able to pull out radiations from the cosmic winds (which she controls) to hurt Gladiator. However, this is but one aspect of her power and has nothing to do with empty space.

Originally posted by Rutog98
That's just it. I think Ororo could potentially control reality. That is what I was trying to get at. She controls the forces that compose and govern it. It would be a simple matter of her manipulating that energy in such a way to recreate reality.

Reality is not energy manipulation.

Seriously if you honestly think that Storm can control reality due to power of EM you are the single most deluded person I have ever met.

Originally posted by Rutog98
I don't really see what the problem is here. Storm is a Phoenix-level character. Period.

@2Loud: In the Dark Phoenix Saga, Phoenix's potential was put as second only to the creator. She had near-infinite power with the potential to wield unlimited. CC paralleled the two character's power/potential.

So lets take a look at the score card here:

1) Phoenix's powers were tempered by Jean's humanity. When stripped away, she had near-infinite power with unlimited power in her grasp. Storm's powers are also tempered by humanity. Strip that away and she has near-infinite power with the potential to wield unlimited power and was paralleled with DP.

2) Ororo can perceive the universe as patterns of energy and forces which she can shape like a sculptess does clay.

3) Ororo's powers are limited only to her body and will and potentially to her imagination only owing to the fact she has the potential to transcend the physical limitations of the body.

4) This lady has summoned the full power of millions of stars.

5) You then have this Trion issue.

You people are upset because she is more than just wind and lightning tossing.

Originally posted by Rutog98
I don't really see what the problem is here. Storm is a Phoenix-level character. Period.

@2Loud: In the Dark Phoenix Saga, Phoenix's potential was put as second only to the creator.

This is probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard about comics... ever!

Oh, I'm profiling this.

😂 @ Storm being Phoenix level

Originally posted by Validus
😂 @ Storm being Phoenix level

😐 You don't get it.

There putting Storm well above Pheonix level.

Originally posted by bean_machine
I still think that PF > Storm will ever be. A force that exists before and after the big bang is greater than a mutant that exists within the big bang.

Unless an uber source for her powers is explained, I can't see Storm ever being more than an Omega.

Until clearly stated otherwise, Storm is not a Phoenix-level character, its all speculation.

A force that exists before and after the big bang is greater than a mutant that exists within the big bang.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
😐 You don't get it.

There putting Storm well above Pheonix level.

Originally posted by Rutog98
That's just it. I think Ororo could potentially control reality. That is what I was trying to get at. She controls the forces that compose and govern it. It would be a simple matter of her manipulating that energy in such a way to recreate reality.

EM radiation to harness and make electricity, she can do that as she can also create other types of radiation in the EM spectrum. Hence, when a skrull mimicked her power, he was able to pull out radiations from the cosmic winds (which she controls) to hurt Gladiator. However, this is but one aspect of her power and has nothing to do with empty space.

Oh no, man, it's not the same. The greatest matter manipulator in the universe could really only hope to create a universe. Yeah, that is cool. But reality warping goes much further. That's screwing with the laws of physics, changing the flow of time, etc. A reality manipulator could change the universe so carrots explode when exposed to air or fire freezes things.

Originally posted by Validus
😂 Yeah, I'm going through this thread piece by piece. By the logic presented here, I could say Batman is Spectre level because the DC Universe has been said to revolve around he and Superman. Awesome.

Originally posted by Rutog98
That's just it. I think Ororo could potentially control reality. That is what I was trying to get at. She controls the forces that compose and govern it. It would be a simple matter of her manipulating that energy in such a way to recreate reality.

EM radiation to harness and make electricity, she can do that as she can also create other types of radiation in the EM spectrum. Hence, when a skrull mimicked her power, he was able to pull out radiations from the cosmic winds (which she controls) to hurt Gladiator. However, this is but one aspect of her power and has nothing to do with empty space.

WOW. 😆

You are a hopeless fanboy. You have zero credibilty after that statement. You think a WEATHER manipulator can all of a sudden become a REALITY manipulator. I would bet the writers NEVER EVER intended that.

You think storm is at her power levels because shes too powerful for the x-men foes??????? Storm has LOST TO SAURON before.

Do you know why storm is on the X-men because shes a MID-tier character. If it was really the x-men holding her back well shes on the FF now lets haver her show us what she can do.

Originally posted by Rutog98
That's just it. I think Ororo could potentially control reality. That is what I was trying to get at. She controls the forces that compose and govern it. It would be a simple matter of her manipulating that energy in such a way to recreate reality.

EM radiation to harness and make electricity, she can do that as she can also create other types of radiation in the EM spectrum. Hence, when a skrull mimicked her power, he was able to pull out radiations from the cosmic winds (which she controls) to hurt Gladiator. However, this is but one aspect of her power and has nothing to do with empty space.

Hahahahahahahahaha 😆

Nothing you presented in the scans you posted previously supports your conjecture that Storm could potentially become a reality manipulator.

That is just a ludicrous assumption of your.

Until it is stated or proven on panel, that theory is a bunch of shit

Storm has infinite power considering he manipulates the base forces that govern the universe and even other dimensions.

I've said in earlier threads, the Earth, and it's weather are no less part of, and/or governed by the same energy continuum that the stars, Jovian Planets, Empty space etc. are govened by.

Even when Storm finds herself in these diffrent enviroments, she finds that they are no different, although they may vary in quantity, thus the degree of control is subject to change, but hey are NO different than the same forces that govern earth and it's weather.

Through altering her perception, she can see the universe(which includes earth's weather, since earth is nothing but space dibris that is thrown into motion by the laws of said universe) She can see the universe as patterns of energy(Usually electrical since the universe almost PURLEY electrical), She can shape those energies to her will.

I'm not venturing to say she can manipulate reality in such ways as high-end reality manipulators. I AM saying that Strom, for all intents and purposes, technically has INFINITE power.