Ryu Hayabusa vs Urien and Gill

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
For starters, that wasn't the only mistake you made in that post. You said the TDS was only a plot device for the Dark Dragon Blade and nothing else. Saying you meant it was also a plot device for the Greater Fiends doesn't help since you claimed that Ryu could take down planet-destroyers in Hand to Hand.

And, I've also said at one time that hayabusa can solo the cast of tekken. I've changed my mutha****in mind obviously. Since, I remebered that he stalemated Alma with the DS, yet, Destroyed her in her second form with the TDS.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII

-Why do you want to know that? You implied that Urien is as hard as iron, Ryu has cut through steel, and steel is as hard, if not, harder than iron, so what does that question have to do with anything?

Because he can survive contact with magam, duh. . .

Originally posted by Cloud_VII

- http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=34780 Aegis Reflector can be destroyed.

hysterical Unbeliveable, your citing the Tengu Glitch as proof that the aegis can be destroyed. . .

And, Denjin Ryu is a Game mechanic, since it cannot be blocked period. No to mention that when it passes through the aegis it weakens.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII

- Those meteors are smaller than Ryu, if your talking about the ones in the actual game. No way in hell would that get past his energy field.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII

- Good question, but..You think Ryu can beat planet-destroyers in H2H, yet think he can't beat planet-destroyers in H2H?

And, I changed my mind, and why are you still debating me?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I never asked for seprate examples though...

Yeah, but that's not reason to ignore those examples. So how about you show me an example of Urien actually eating a sword as if it were nothing.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

This is ridiculous, your claiming that the reason that his enemies were able to rush him down was because of a game restriction, christ. Again, hayabusa does not breeze through enemies, he struggles alot, and it's noot because of a game restriction. Hell the Vigoorian Army had the drop on him and he couldn't even beat the helicopter when he first encountered it as shown by the following cutscene. Not to mention his first bout with Murai was not easy. In Doa on the other hand, he is deliberately overpowered like all the other ninja's. Itagaki even said he made the ninja's overpowered on purpose

Ryu couldn't beat the chopper in their first encounter because he did not have the proper arrows to deal with it. Once he aquired the explosive arrows the chopper was a goner.

Murai is unsurpassed in skills. NG instruction booklet said so itself. Not to mention he has more experience than Ryu himself.

If Ryu were to breeze through enemies it would make for a very boring an easy game, so yeah.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

That wasn't my point, hayabusa's projectiles will not do jack to them as long as aegis is activated

Ok. So what? Ryu isn't a shotokan. He isn't grounded to projectiles only.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

-Mission mode isn't canon
-And, hayabusa is not God, get over it.

Never said he was God, thank you, come again.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

Re-read what I posted on that thread, I said it was a plot device that [B]only Helped in his fight with the Dark Dragon blade. I never claimed that it was not a plot device, I forgot about his fight with alma, where he managed to stalemate her.

I'm not saying that the TDS makes him have new abilities, I've constantly said that the properties of the TDS are unknown and that they do not add to Ryu's abilities from what I've seen. But, it does not change the fact that Ryu went from Stalemating Alma with the DS to Destroying: Alma in her second form,Spirit Doku, Nicchae and Ishatros in a team (Nicchae is similar to Alma's first form, and Hayabusa completely beat her whilst having help when he only stalemated Alma),Marbus, and the users of the DDB.

So, obviously there was a change in power,but since the properties of said plot device are unknown it's up in te air as to what the TDS. All, I know are those wins are due to a plot device. [/B]

You're watering down Ryu's win over Alma in their first encounter. He didn't just stalemate her. She was literally on her knees . The end of the fight was interrupted by Rachel, and even then Alma still chose to flee the battlefield. And if I remember correctly that is a win by KMC standards.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Yeah, but that's not reason to just ignore those examples.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

Ryu couldn't beat the Chopper in their first encounter because he did not have the proper arrows to deal with it. Once he aquired the explosive arrows the chopper was a goner, so bad example.

Murai is unsurpassed in skills. NG instruction booklet said so itself. Not to mention has more experience than Ryu himself.

That wasn't my point, I was implying that he doesn't get wins easily. He struggles, he is not GOD. . .

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

If Ryu were to breeze through enemies it would make for a very boring an easy game, so yeah.

No, he doesn't breeze through them because he can't.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

Ok. So what Ryu isn't a shotokan. He isn't grounded to projectiles only.

WTF, "Shotokan", okay. . .

Never said he was God, thank you, come again.[/B][/QUOTE]

But, you've implyed it, with wank fest of post ranging from claiming that the Falls in lost world are legit, He can simple teleport behind Urien & Gill and kill them, He'll dodge the Ascension and "Meteor Shower", and a host of wanking post.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

You're watering down Ryu's win over Alma in their first encounter. He didn't just stalemate her. She was on her knees literally begging for mercy. She fled the battlefield by phasing through the floor. And if I remember correctly that is a win by KMC standard.

😆 Ryu's was on his knee's as well, watch the vid again. . .

YouTube video

Fast foward 2:48 seconds into the video

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Doesn't matter, I did not ask for them. . .

Fair enough. You missed the edit, so show me scans of Urien eating swords for breakfast.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

That wasn't my point, I was implying that he doesn't get wins easily. He struggles, he is not GOD. .

Never said he gets easy wins. Never said he didn't struggle. Never said he was God. Try harder.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

No, he doesn't breeze through them because he can't.

Says who? You? Reliable.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

WTF, "Shotokan", okay. . .

I guess I need to make it easier to understand. Hayabusa isn't a shotokan scrub. He won't spam projectiles all match long, specially once he finds out they will not be successfull. Is that clear enough for you?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
😆 Ryu's was on his knee's as well, watch the vid again. . .

Oh yeah. And the next second he was standing on his feet without injuries while Alma had 1/4 her head sliced off. Go figure.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

But, you've implyed it, with wank fest of post ranging from claiming that the Falls in lost world are legit, He can simple teleport behind Urien & Gill and kill them, He'll dodge the Ascension and "Meteor Shower", and a host of wanking post.

The falls in lost world are ridiculous, I give you that. But do you even remember why we brought them up? Ryu's inhuman durability which was enough to allow Ryu not to die from dramatic heights. You were given numerous examples of Ryu doing just that in NG & DOA, but you just cling to lost world like it's your only hope of proving me wrong.
Fact is Ryu has enough durability to survive where normal men would not.

Why won't he be able to teleport behind Urien or Gill with his superior reaction time & speed?

Ascension is Gill's super where he floats in mid-air and then blasts everything? (Haven't played SF3 in a long time) if that's the case Ryu doesn't even need to dodge it. He will stop Gill in his tracks before he performs it. And..hmm...why won't he even dodge it when Ryu's seen dodging village busting blasts from Genra?

The meteor shower is once again plaything to teleportation.

*Cough*

We're going in circles.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Fair enough. You missed the edit, so show me scans of Urien eating swords for breakfast.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

Never said he gets easy wins. Never said he didn't struggle. Never said he was God. Try harder.

But, you implyed it. . . like when you mentioned lost world 😆

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

Says who? You? Reliable.

Say's Ninja Gaiden, when he was surrounded by the Vigoorian Military ayane described his situtation as dire. So, that means it isn't easy.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

I guess I need to make it easier to understand. Hayabusa isn't a shotokan scrub. He won't spam projectiles all match long, specially once he finds out they will not be successfull. Is that clear enough for you?

So, what, you keep talking about what hayabusa will do this and that. Yet, you've falled to explain all of Gills area effecting attacks.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

Oh yeah. And the next second he was standing on his feet without injuries while Alma had 1/4 her head sliced off. Go figure.

He had ****ing sword, why wouldn't alma be cut and it doesn't change my point.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
The falls in lost world are ridiculous, I give you that. But do you even remember why we brought them up? Ryu's inhuman durability which was enough to allow Ryu not to die from dramatic heights. You were given numerous examples of Ryu doing just that in NG & DOA, but you just cling to lost world like it's your only hope of proving me wrong.

That post has made me doubt your reading comprehension, I've never doubted that ryu cannot survive heights. Infact, I even said he can survive tall heights, but it doesn't change the fact that you brought that BS feat up as proof of hayabusa's inhuman durability and defended it until now.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

Fact is Ryu has enough durability to survive where normal men would not.

I never said that it wasn't, but that lost world feat that you brought up was bullshit.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

Why won't he be able to teleport behind Urien and Gill with his superior reaction time & speed?

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

Ascension is Gill's super where he floats in mid-air and then blasts everything? (Haven't played SF3 in a long time) if that's the case Ryu doesn't even need to dodge it. He will stop Gill in his tracks before he performs it.

Because Urien will be there to knock his ass down. . .

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

And..hmm...why won't he even dodge it when Ryu's seen dodging village busting blasts from Genra?

A>B>C logic, genra's blast was not village busting, not to mention he never fought genra, ayane did.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

The meteor shower is once again plaything to teleportation.

So, where will he teleport to, out of the area where he automatically loses or to the blind spot of the attack just to fight urien. Yeah, plaything my ass. . .

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

Why won't he be able to teleport behind Urien or Gill with his superior reaction time & speed?

Ascension is Gill's super where he floats in mid-air and then blasts everything? (Haven't played SF3 in a long time) if that's the case Ryu doesn't even need to dodge it. He will stop Gill in his tracks before he performs it. And..hmm...why won't he even dodge it when Ryu's seen dodging village busting blasts from Genra?

The meteor shower is once again plaything to teleportation.

*Cough*

We're going in circles.

I doubt that the Seraphic Wing is slow in actual combat, I think that's just a game-play mechanic to make Gill a little more beatable. I really don't think village destroying bast is a powerful as turning an entire mountain red and blue, splitting the sky, and splitting the sea all at the same time with just a wave of a hand.

Also, what if Gill decides to do a flurry of Meteor Strikes with instead of one hand he uses both, it will be far harder to just teleport then, Hayabusa will have to teleport pretty far away to avoid that attack.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Don't have too, if he's strong enought to withstand magma he can withstand blades to certain degree. You on the other hand seem to imply he will cut through urien as if he were made of butter.

Memory is failing you. Did you forget I said I considered Urien to be more dangerous than Gill because of his Uber Durability?

And Ryu has been shown to cut steel ships and creatures that hang around in Magma. Following your logic Ryu will be able to cut Urien to a certain degree.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

But, you implyed it. . . like when you mentioned lost world 😆

I implied he had inhuman durability. Not that he was God. You're losing it, mate.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

Say's Ninja Gaiden, when he was surrounded by the Vigoorian Military ayane described his situtation as dire. So, that means it isn't easy.

Fair enough. It's still one man against an empire's army. Dire is an understatement.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

So, what, you keep talking about what hayabusa will do this and that. Yet, you've falled to explain all of Gills area effecting attacks.

Check my previos post.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

He had ****ing sword, why wouldn't alma be cut and it doesn't change my point.

Just proves our different views on stalemating. One fighter is unharmed and on his feet a second after the fight is over, and the other is bloody, still on her knees with half her head sliced off and throwing a tantrum. Oh yeah it's such a clear stalemate. There's no way in hell Ryu could have finished her off. Oh God no not at all. Ryu was going to run away had Rachel not interrupted them. Please. You know you lost the Alma stalemate debate.

And to quote you...he has a ****ing sword, why wouldn't Gill be Cut?

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Memory is failing you. Did you forget I said I considered Urien to be more dangerous than Gill because of his Uber Durability?

And Ryu has been shown to cut steel chips and creaters that hang around in Magma. Following your logic Ryu will be able to cut Urien to a certain degree.

I never said he could not cut him, but you keep posting this BS argument about hayabusa teleporting behind him and slicing them to bits.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

I implied he had inhuman durability. Not that he was God. You're losing it, mate.

You lost it the moment you cited lost world as an example of his inhuman durability. 😆

Again, I never said he did not have inhuman durability, but that lost world argument you presented was horrid.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

Fair enough. It's still one man against an empire's army. Dire is an understatement.

Dire describes the situation perfectly.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

Check my previos post.

Don't have to, answer the question you always avoid: Where will he teleport to, out of the area and automatically lose or to Gills blind spot where urien will be waiting?

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

Just proves our different views on stalemating. One fighter is unharmed and on his feet a second after the fight is over,

Unharmed based on what, why is ryu on his knee's are they playing "Simon Says"?

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

and the other is bloody, still on her knees with half her head sliced off and throwing a tantrum. Oh yeah it's such a clear stalemate. There's no way in hell Ryu could have finished her off. Oh God no not at all. Ryu was going to run away had Rachel not interrupted them. Please. You know you lost the Alma stalemate debate.

Well, let's compare evidence:

-I provided a video showing hayabusa and alma on there knee's

And, also the next chapter opens up, and it claims that there was no victor during their fight.

You provided nothing.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

And to quote you...he has a ****ing sword, why wouldn't Gill be Cut?

Because urien is there.

Urien the ever groping queer.

I'm dropping out of this. The college stress is killing me and for some reason I am more interested in this than my classes. LoL.

Ok. Ryu gets slaughtered. He will attempt anything and everything only to get Urien's steel/magma skin punches pummel through his skull while Gill blasts the remains of Hayabusa's corpse with meteors.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Urien the ever groping queer.

I'm dropping out of this. The college stress is killing me and for some reason I am more interested in this than my classes. LoL.

Ok. Ryu gets slaughtered. He will attempt anything and everything only to get Urien's steel/magma skin punches pummel through his skull while Gill blasts the remains of Hayabusa's corpse with meteors.

Specially when they use an archaic method of subscribing classes. ARGH

Ryu can murder them. Nothing shows or proves that Urien and Gill would win this without a doubt.

Originally posted by Meteora
Ryu can murder them. Nothing shows or proves that Urien and Gill would win this without a doubt.

It would be an O.K. fight (nothing spectacular), but Urien and Gill will win. Those 2 are capable of far too much. Especially Gill, that whole splitting the sea thing really threw me for a loop. They should have made Gill look more menacing with all that power.

Originally posted by Meteora
Ryu can murder them. Nothing shows or proves that Urien and Gill would win this without a doubt.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Because you will ignore every piece of evidence that disagree's with you.

Originally posted by Meteora
Look who's talking 😆 and I'm not the one who flip flops to make certain issues go the way I want them to.