Darth Bane Vs Darth Vader

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Originally posted by Riverollv
I agree with you, Darth Sexy. Bane could probably take Vader on a saber fight, but in Force powers Vader could take this. Though, overall, I think Bane beats Vader.
No, overall vader > bane.

In saber too for that matter, why? When kasim switched to jarkai, it was unpredictable to bane and it is something bane never seen before.
As with vaders custamised form V, It was also described unpredictable and caused the jedi to get slaughtered in a saber match. Bane uses djem so and so does vader, and vades djem so is clearly above banes.

Ac has time and again proven vader > bane

allfg Restricted

Bane wins this. I don't have much time, so I'll just make an argument for him winning in a lightsaber battle.

Physically, he's stated as being the strongest sith ever, according to Zephiel (who doesn't lie). That's Vader's main asset, and he's still beat in that department.

Speedwise, Bane can move at speeds faster than the eyes of powerful force users such as Kas'im can see. Even in EU sources that contradict the movies, Vader's never depicted at speeds anywhere near that.

Bane knows every single move and sequence to the saberstaff perfectly (all 7 of Kas'im's perfected forms), which is completely alien to Vader.

The orbalisk armour is completely immune to the cutting power of a lightsaber, making Bane virtually invincible in a lightsaber battle, with only just one vulnerable spot (his face).

Vader just doesn't compare.

Kadesh Restricted

Originally posted by allfg

Physically, he's stated as being the strongest sith ever, according to Zephiel (who doesn't lie). That's Vader's main asset, and he's still beat in that department.
Um zephiel does lie, he claims nihilus weakens his opponents before draining them. And nowhere does it state that bane is physically the strongest sith. By the way vader has demonstrated greater physical strength than bane, RODV Movies EU etc.. Can i say wtf owned?
Originally posted by allfg

Speedwise, Bane can move at speeds faster than the eyes of powerful force users such as Kas'im can see. Even in EU sources that contradict the movies, Vader's never depicted at speeds anywhere near that.
Speedwise bane only demonstrated this abiltity with an inferior duelist, and it was only one strike unlike palpatines and lukes battle.
And please dont go by the "Movie higher canon" excuse. Movies state that hutts and toydarian are immune to mind tricks, yet bastila did it in kotor. In rodv it was stated that vader countered and sliced at at jedi with lightning speed. The bottom line is, what vader did what vader did, bastila did what bastila did. What has happened has happened and for vaders case, It happened for more than one occassion and it was stated by luke that vader was never trying to kill him in the movies
Originally posted by allfg

Bane knows every single move and sequence to the saberstaff perfectly (all 7 of Kas'im's perfected forms), which is completely alien to Vader.
And maul knew every sequence to his DB saber and mastered the juyo form and guess what happened to him, Vader snapped his saber in half with little effort.
Again bane could not face kasim when he switched to jarkai because it is unpredictable. Now the PT jedi themselves knew every sequence of the saber art yet they couldnt face vaders version of djem so simply because 1) They have never seen it before 2) It is stated to be unpredictable in the novel.
Again a double bladed saber isnt "alien" to vader. He fought several opponents which includes maul who wields double bladed weapon. By your logic lumiya should pwn mace and yoda because they have never seen a light whip before. Again you defy logic
Originally posted by allfg

The orbalisk armour is completely immune to the cutting power of a lightsaber, making Bane virtually invincible in a lightsaber battle, with only just one vulnerable spot (his face).
Right, lightsnake already owned you in that part. Darth subjeckt and just about everybody for that matter smashed you to pieces. The orbalisks will break if hit with greater force. Now let me state the law of physics. Greater the acceleration and strength
= to greater the pressure and impact and in TOTJ, it ripped through mandalorian iron whom is also "immune" to lightsaber strikes.

Cortosis is also immune to saber strikes and yet in the game star wars: obi-wan. Obi wan hacks at a soldier wearing full cortosis, No effect, This time he swings harder, it breaks through

Originally posted by allfg

Vader just doesn't compare.
You bet he does, im happy to see you dump bastila and re-marriage to bane

Kadesh Restricted
Originally posted by Allfg
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Now why not make history repeat itself anf go fight with bane naked during the next presidents election ooohh i want to see you suck his dick! And please if you need help, ill lend you my super hardcore bane porn DVD staring ashlee simpson and baldie darth bane.

allfg Restricted
Um zephiel does lie, he claims nihilus weakens his opponents before draining them.

Firstly, if you want to prove that Zephiel ever lied, you need to post a link and quote, and not be so damn vague.

Secondly, I don't ever recall Zephiel lying and he doesn't strike me as someone who would.

And nowhere does it state that bane is physically the strongest sith.

In one of the sourcebooks it does, and it makes sense.

1. Bane is pretty much naturally as physically strong as humans get. He was described as a mountain of muscle, before leaving Apatros, he had literally been working on the mines his entire life. He constantly received beatings from his father, and constantly took part in brawls in the mines. He was also the strongest of all the miners.

2. The degree to which he could amp up his speed was phenomenal, and given that he was taught how to do the same with his strength at the BoD Korriban Academy, I see no reason to suggest that he couldn't just amp up his strength to the same degree. Speed and strength generally go hand in hand, so given how fast he is, it makes sense that he'd be damn strong too.

3. The orbalisk armour constantly strengthens and pumps up Bane's muscles, and keeps them constantly flexed.

4. The orbalisk armour constantly pumps Bane up with adrenaline, which would also augment his strength.

5. The orbalisk armour constantly injects darkside energies into Bane, which can be channelled through his limbs and muscles to increase his strength.

Yeah, Bane's pretty much untouchable in the strength department.

I'll post the rest of my reply later, don't reply.

kamikz A.I.M Mercenary
Originally posted by allfg

4. The orbalisk armour constantly pumps Bane up with adrenaline, which would also augment his strength.

Muscles cannot be constantly flexed. Some muscles lead to others, some need to be flexed differently for others to also work. If all were flexed, you couldn't move a muscle....

Darth Sexy Restricted

Originally posted by allfg
Physically, he's stated as being the strongest sith ever, according to Zephiel (who doesn't lie). That's Vader's main asset, and he's still beat in that department.

Both you and zephiel are full of shit, because it's not stated anywhere. If anything Vader is MORE powerful than Bane because he's half machine. Common sense eludes you yet again.

Speedwise, Bane can move at speeds faster than the eyes of powerful force users such as Kas'im can see. Even in EU sources that contradict the movies, Vader's never depicted at speeds anywhere near that.

Good lord he did it once against a padawan, nobody cares.

Bane knows every single move and sequence to the saberstaff perfectly (all 7 of Kas'im's perfected forms), which is completely alien to Vader.

Prove it was completely alien to vader, considering that the double bladed staff was NOT extinct during the PT era, just rare.

The orbalisk armour is completely immune to the cutting power of a lightsaber, making Bane virtually invincible in a lightsaber battle, with only just one vulnerable spot (his face).

Bane isn't invincible in a lightsaber battle dumbass, or he wouldn't have lost. His talents don't lie in his lightsaber abilities. You're an idiot as usual.

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Originally posted by allfg
Firstly, if you want to prove that Zephiel ever lied, you need to post a link and quote, and not be so damn vague.
Search for "Form VIII sansacu" in the EU section and read everything. I dont have the luxury of giving you the link, i have it since i made the thread but first of all why should i want to show it to you? Mr godly debator. Go find it yourself, Isnt that what gods do?
Originally posted by allfg

Secondly, I don't ever recall Zephiel lying and he doesn't strike me as someone who would.
Well then you must have not been paying attention!

Originally posted by allfg

In one of the sourcebooks it does, and it makes sense.
Book? page? number? quote?
Originally posted by allfg

1. Bane is pretty much naturally as physically strong as humans get. He was described as a mountain of muscle, before leaving Apatros, he had literally been working on the mines his entire life. He constantly received beatings from his father, and constantly took part in brawls in the mines. He was also the strongest of all the miners.
Right right while sources(vader the ultimate guide, wookiepedia and wikipedia" stated That vader had incredible strength and in RODV, it was also said that vader could crush his lightsaber hilt with no effort at all. Vader > bane physical strength
Originally posted by allfg

2. The degree to which he could amp up his speed was phenomenal, and given that he was taught how to do the same with his strength at the BoD Korriban Academy, I see no reason to suggest that he couldn't just amp up his strength to the same degree. Speed and strength generally go hand in hand, so given how fast he is, it makes sense that he'd be damn strong too.
Irrelevant, Doesnt prove bane is stronger than vader physically, especially after what he did to a wild animal 3 times bigger than he is with just his raw strength
Originally posted by allfg

3. The orbalisk armour constantly strengthens and pumps up Bane's muscles, and keeps them constantly flexed.
While on the other hand everything comes with a price, TDSSB stated that EACH orbalisks weighs 1kg and banes ENTIRE body is covered with them. Wouldnt that sacrifice his speed for greater strength? The bane who moved so fast sadly was pre-orbalisk bane.
Originally posted by allfg

4. The orbalisk armour constantly pumps Bane up with adrenaline, which would also augment his strength.

5. The orbalisk armour constantly injects darkside energies into Bane, which can be channelled through his limbs and muscles to increase his strength.

while i do not deny it makes him stronger, is it enough to prove he is physically stronger than vader? Going by what you say i should be stronger than vader because i take steriods and look bigger than him. Wrong!
Originally posted by allfg

Yeah, Bane's pretty much untouchable in the strength department.
Nope, see the above
Originally posted by allfg

I'll post the rest of my reply later, don't reply.
I have the right to reply as and when i like. I hope you enjoy your wedding with bane 🙂

Darth Sexy Restricted

Originally posted by allfg
Firstly, if you want to prove that Zephiel ever lied, you need to post a link and quote, and not be so damn vague.

By saying it's stated Bane is the strongest sith ever, that's a lie.

Secondly, I don't ever recall Zephiel lying and he doesn't strike me as someone who would.

Good thing your opinion matters on this issue. Oh wait.

In one of the sourcebooks it does, and it makes sense.

Sure it does Noobaris.

1. Bane is pretty much naturally as physically strong as humans get. He was described as a mountain of muscle, before leaving Apatros, he had literally been working on the mines his entire life. He constantly received beatings from his father, and constantly took part in brawls in the mines. He was also the strongest of all the miners.

And Vader's a cyborg, dipshit.

2. The degree to which he could amp up his speed was phenomenal, and given that he was taught how to do the same with his strength at the BoD Korriban Academy, I see no reason to suggest that he couldn't just amp up his strength to the same degree. Speed and strength generally go hand in hand, so given how fast he is, it makes sense that he'd be damn strong too.

Except his speed is force dependant, his physical strength isn't.

allfg Restricted

Ok I'm done with you dipshits, seeing as you're incapable of taking me on mano-a-mano and have to throw a gazillion different arguments at me.

Muscles cannot be constantly flexed. Some muscles lead to others, some need to be flexed differently for others to also work. If all were flexed, you couldn't move a muscle....

My bad, when I said 'flexed', I meant 'pumped up.'

kamikz A.I.M Mercenary

Oh ok, thought it was a little weird. 😛

Darth Sexy Restricted
Originally posted by allfg
Ok I'm done with you dipshits, seeing as you're incapable of taking me on mano-a-mano and have to throw a gazillion different arguments at me.

Awww poor baby, still in denial about having the ability to win ANY arguments on this forum. Tell you what francine, you learn how to NOT get wtfpwned by every person you've ever debated with, and we'll take you seriously.

Gideon Restricted

Can you feel the love... tonight...

Anyways.

I personally don't see how Bane could be stronger than Vader (who has cyberkinetic implants far superior to anything in Bane's heyday), but I will say that those orbalisks would indeed make him a beast.

kamikz A.I.M Mercenary
Originally posted by Gideon
Can you feel the love... tonight...

It is where we are.... 😱

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

Vader, but Bane certainly gives him a run for his money.

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I'm gonna make this simple:

1. Vader can't defend against controlled storms of force lightning.

2. Bane can conjure storms of force lightning, and control them on a small scale.

3. Bane can conjure one up in a heartbeat.

End of discussion, Vader loses and he loses hard. I estimate the fight lasting about 2 seconds.

Darth Sexy Restricted

Originally posted by allfg
I'm gonna make this simple:

1. Vader can't defend against controlled storms of force lightning.

2. Bane can conjure storms of force lightning, and control them on a small scale.

3. Bane can conjure one up in a heartbeat.

End of discussion, Vader loses and he loses hard. I estimate the fight lasting about 2 seconds.

Except Vader's force mastery would allow him to block simple force lightning with his blade, and there goes your argument in about 2 seconds.

allfg Restricted

Firstly, force mastery has little to do with using your lightsaber to block lightning. Strength, reflexes, hand speed, precognition, and defencive technique. None of that really relates with force mastery.

Secondly, storms of force lightning are too great for a lightsaber to handle. The blade can't defend Vader's entire body at once, it's too small and stiff.

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

Sidious' lightning was absorbed by a lightsaber, so, try and back that statement up.

allfg Restricted

Excuse me? It's not something I need to back up, it's a fact; storms of force lightning encompass an area that is too great for a lightsaber to handle. Sidious' lightning in the movies wasn't a storm, but just multiple straight strands.