Who better to tier heroes . . .?

Originally posted by Validus
Johnny Sorrow > Sub Skyfather

if you're sure, we'll remove him. 😉

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Couldn't you just close your eyes?

Originally posted by Redatom65
yup, as a matter of fact, I read Kingdom Come for the first time yesterday. Tell me is the "sequel" Kingdom, anygood?

Originally posted by leonidas
SUB-SKYFATHER
Despero, Thanos, The Keeper, Dr. Strange (Classic), The Doctor, Mangog, Dr. Fate, Ion (current), The General (Shaggy Man), Tyrant (powered down), The Mask, onslaught, gog, Superman 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Validus, High Evolutionary, [b]eclipso, johnny sorrow

HERALD
morg, terrax, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), thor, sentry, Surfer, Adam Warlock, Loki, Gladiator, Quasar, Majestic, Apollo, Graviton, Orion, Infinity-Man, Absorbing Man (sans CIS), Superman, Cpt. Marvel (DC), Superman Blue/Red, Beta Ray Bill, Hyperion, Doomsday, Binary, General Zod, Mon-El, Supergirl, Stardust, Black Adam, Eradicator, Firelord, Original Lobo, Martian Manhunter, Fernus, Supreme (Leifeld), genis-vell, red shift, waverider, The Fallen One, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), Sinestro, Cyborg Superman, Spartan 3.0, Void, Runner, amazo

SUB-HERALD
magneto, apocalypse, , captain atom, sersi, Nate Grey, Hulk, Mandarin, Holocaust, Ultron, Super Skrull, FP Cable, Black Bolt, Engineer, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Juggernaut, Vision, Mar-vell, Breach, He-Man, Hercules (Immortal), Raven, Aquaman, Superboy, Animal Man, Darkness, Dr. Doom (w/magic), Wonder Woman, Invincible, Steel, Mimic (Exiles), Shaman, Sasquatch, Vulcan, Karate Kid, Ultra Boy, Matrix Supergirl, Dr. Light, Pitt, Union, prime, grodd, hector hammond, dr polaris, kalibak, maxima, mongul, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Jade, Green Lantern (Guy/John), Selene (External), Circe (DC), Jericho, Ronan the Accusor, Super Skrull, bizarro, manchester black

MID-TIER
ironman, colossus, thing, starfire, Thing, Abomination, Wonder Man, Namor, Ghost Rider, Rogue, Storm, Maul, ms. marvel, Blastaar, Cpt. Britain, Cyborg, Donna Troy, Wondergirl, Gamora, Hawkman/Girl, Invisible Woman, Guardian I, Classic Nova, Deathlok, Speedfreek, She-Hulk, Atom Smasher, War Machine, Human Torch, The Tick, Thunderstrike, Toxin, Lightning Lad, Havok, Mr. Sinister, Omega Red, Beast Boy, metallo, box, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, Atlas, Mister Hyde, Box, Attuma, Thunder, Grace Choi, Shift, Power Girl, Aegis, Mary Marvel, Captain Marvel Jr, Bishop, Crystal, Electro, major force

ENHANCED
wolverine, killer croc, luke cage, deathstroke, spider-man, Midnighter, angel, sabertooth, Morlun, Beast, Cyclops, Drizzt Do'Urden, Bruenor Battlehammer, Wulfgar, Azrael, Lady Deathstrike, Iron Fist, Beast, Bullseye, Gambit, Taskmaster, Vulture, Mysterio, Vermin, Man-Bat, Orka Humbug, Spiderwoman, Arachne, Arana, Kingpin, Silver Samurai, Ravager

STREET
batman, daredevil, nightwing, hawkeye, moon-knight, Green arrow, Captain America, Swift, Grifter, Turok, Wildcat, Taskmaster, Elektra, Batgirl, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Mystique, Punisher, joker, penguin, riddler, Nomad, Nuke, Ra's Al Ghul, Arsenal/Red Arrow, Black Cat, Catwoman, Echo, Misty Knight, Shang Chi, Coleen Wing, Black Widow, Robin, White Tiger, deadshot, Lady Shiva, Talia

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i put a few in that MAY be off a level. major force has some good and bad showings so i couldn't decide mid or sub-herald.

darkseid in his history HAS been portrayed as skyfather, so let's leave him there for now.

is fernus simply MARTIAN MANHUNTER out of control, or MM in a more powerful version? i'd have thought he'd be sub skyfather as well.

manchester black MAY reach lower herald, but i wasn't 100% sure.

i wanted to put vandal savage at mid-tier, but wasn't 100% about him. he reminds me of mr sinister with a fluctuating power level. sinister COULD be sub herald as well, imo, rather easily. [/B]

Major Force get's punked by Kyle and Captain Atom alot, but still he isn't really mid-tier really 😬

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Which I'm sure you would claim is just you.

Originally posted by Redatom65
Major Force get's punked by Kyle and Captain Atom alot, but still he isn't really mid-tier really 😬

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Kingdom is great. There Clark And Diana's son show up again. This time as the uber Multiversal Guardian of the Kingdom. We See the sword of Hephestious Slice right thru the ABstract Gog. And Batman was kinda cool as an old man.

BMB cool? Or is he just generally cooler

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He's Probably Low Herald LvL. Too powerful for middle Tier. He'd beat any middle tier without breaking a sweat.

sounds about right, Bombshell's probably mid-tier. She got owned by Robin if I recall correctly

SUB-SKYFATHER
Despero, Thanos, The Keeper, Dr. Strange (Classic), The Doctor, Mangog, Dr. Fate, Ion (current), The General (Shaggy Man), Tyrant (powered down), The Mask, onslaught, gog, Superman 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Validus, High Evolutionary, eclipso,

HERALD
morg, terrax, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), thor, sentry, Surfer, Adam Warlock, Loki, Gladiator, Quasar, Majestic, Apollo, Graviton, Orion, Infinity-Man, Absorbing Man (sans CIS), Superman, Cpt. Marvel (DC), Superman Blue/Red, Beta Ray Bill, Hyperion, Doomsday, Binary, General Zod, Mon-El, Supergirl, Stardust, Black Adam, Eradicator, Firelord, Original Lobo, Martian Manhunter, Fernus, Supreme (Leifeld), genis-vell, red shift, waverider, The Fallen One, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), Sinestro, Cyborg Superman, Spartan 3.0, Void, Runner, amazo

SUB-HERALD
magneto, apocalypse, , captain atom, sersi, Nate Grey, Hulk, Mandarin, Holocaust, Ultron, Super Skrull, FP Cable, Black Bolt, Engineer, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Juggernaut, Vision, Mar-vell, Breach, He-Man, Hercules (Immortal), Raven, Aquaman, Superboy, Animal Man, Darkness, Dr. Doom (w/magic), Wonder Woman, Invincible, Steel, Mimic (Exiles), Shaman, Sasquatch, Vulcan, Karate Kid, Ultra Boy, Matrix Supergirl, Dr. Light, Pitt, Union, prime, grodd, hector hammond, dr polaris, kalibak, maxima, mongul, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Jade, Green Lantern (Guy/John), Selene (External), Circe (DC), Jericho, Ronan the Accusor, Super Skrull, bizarro, manchester black, prof x, Major Force

MID-TIER
ironman, colossus, thing, starfire, Thing, Abomination, Wonder Man, Namor, Ghost Rider, Rogue, Storm, Maul, ms. marvel, Blastaar, Cpt. Britain, Cyborg, Donna Troy, Wondergirl, Gamora, Hawkman/Girl, Invisible Woman, Guardian I, Classic Nova, Deathlok, Speedfreek, She-Hulk, Atom Smasher, War Machine, Human Torch, The Tick, Thunderstrike, Toxin, Lightning Lad, Havok, Mr. Sinister, Omega Red, Beast Boy, metallo, box, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, Atlas, Mister Hyde, Box, Attuma, Thunder, Grace Choi, Shift, Power Girl, Aegis, Mary Marvel, Captain Marvel Jr, Bishop, Crystal, Electro, non-phoenix jean grey, emma frost

ENHANCED
wolverine, killer croc, luke cage, deathstroke, spider-man, Midnighter, angel, sabertooth, Morlun, Beast, Cyclops, Drizzt Do'Urden, Bruenor Battlehammer, Wulfgar, Azrael, Lady Deathstrike, Iron Fist, Beast, Bullseye, Gambit, Taskmaster, Vulture, Mysterio, Vermin, Man-Bat, Orka Humbug, Spiderwoman, Arachne, Arana, Kingpin, Silver Samurai, Ravager, nightcrawler, Creeper

STREET
batman, daredevil, nightwing, hawkeye, moon-knight, Green arrow, Captain America, Swift, Grifter, Turok, Wildcat, Taskmaster, Elektra, Batgirl, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Mystique, Punisher, joker, penguin, riddler, Nomad, Nuke, Ra's Al Ghul, Arsenal/Red Arrow, Black Cat, Catwoman, Echo, Misty Knight, Shang Chi, Coleen Wing, Black Widow, Robin, White Tiger, deadshot, Lady Shiva, Talia

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Nah. But there are those who really know some DC stuff, Red, Juntai, Me, BW, Draco, Martian Mind, Juggernaut,Bats, and Others.

I won't even say it.

Originally posted by Validus
lol

I won't even say it.

i'll say it.

AND VALIDUS!!

👆

I see no complaints as to my little rearrangement?

Good....i feel to sick to debate.

Originally posted by Validus
lol

I won't even say it.

🙄

Originally posted by leonidas
i'll say it.

[b]AND VALIDUS!!

👆 [/B]

Originally posted by leonidas
if you're sure, we'll remove him. 😉

Anybody who can bitch Shazam like that is above sub skyfather.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I see no complaints as to my little rearrangement?

Good....i feel to sick to debate.

👆

i think . . .? 😕

Originally posted by batdude123
Anybody who can b[B]itch Shazam like that is above sub skyfather. [/B]

never saw the book. what you make of the list so far?

Originally posted by Redatom65
🙄

Just most of the time.

Originally posted by Validus
lol

I won't even say it.

OMG i'm sorry I forgot about you. But you know, you attack me alot too. So I tend to try and keep you off my mind so I wont' get banned again. 😛

Originally posted by leonidas
never saw the book. what you make of the list so far?

I don't give a shit what Validus says, Nathaniel belongs in the herald category.