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SUB-SKYFATHER
Despero, Thanos, The Keeper, Dr. Strange (Classic), The Doctor, Mangog, Dr. Fate, Ion (current), The General (Shaggy Man), Tyrant (powered down), The Mask, onslaught, gog, Superman 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Validus, High Evolutionary
HERALD
morg, terrax, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), thor, sentry, Surfer, Adam Warlock, Loki, Gladiator, Quasar, Majestic, Apollo, Graviton, Orion, Infinity-Man, Absorbing Man (sans CIS), Superman, Cpt. Marvel (DC), Superman Blue/Red, Beta Ray Bill, Hyperion, Doomsday, Binary, General Zod, Mon-El, Supergirl, Stardust, Black Adam, Eradicator, Firelord, Original Lobo, Martian Manhunter, Fernus, Supreme (Leifeld), genis-vell, red shift, waverider, The Fallen One, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), Sinestro, Cyborg Superman, Spartan 3.0, Void, Runner
SUB-HERALD
magneto, apocalypse, , captain atom, sersi, Nate Grey, Hulk, Mandarin, Holocaust, Ultron, Super Skrull, FP Cable, Black Bolt, Engineer, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Juggernaut, Vision, Mar-vell, Breach, He-Man, Hercules (Immortal), Raven, Aquaman, Superboy, Animal Man, Darkness, Dr. Doom (w/magic), Wonder Woman, Invincible, Steel, Mimic (Exiles), Shaman, Sasquatch, Vulcan, Karate Kid, Ultra Boy, Matrix Supergirl, Dr. Light, Pitt, Union, prime, grodd, hector hammond, dr polaris, kalibak, maxima, mongul, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Jade, Green Lantern (Guy/John), Selene (External), Circe (DC), Jericho, Ronan the Accusor, Super Skrull
MID-TIER
ironman, colossus, thing, starfire, Thing, Abomination, Wonder Man, Namor, Ghost Rider, Rogue, Storm, Maul, ms. marvel, Blastaar, Cpt. Britain, Cyborg, Donna Troy, Wondergirl, Gamora, Hawkman/Girl, Invisible Woman, Guardian I, Classic Nova, Deathlok, Speedfreek, She-Hulk, Atom Smasher, War Machine, Human Torch, The Tick, Thunderstrike, Toxin, Lightning Lad, Havok, Mr. Sinister, Omega Red, Beast Boy, metallo, box, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, Atlas, Mister Hyde, Box, Attuma, Thunder, Grace Choi, Shift, Power Girl, Aegis, Mary Marvel, Captain Marvel Jr, Bishop, Crystal, Electro
ENHANCED
wolverine, killer croc, luke cage, deathstroke, spider-man, Midnighter, angel, sabertooth, Morlun, Beast, Cyclops, Drizzt Do'Urden, Bruenor Battlehammer, Wulfgar, Azrael, Lady Deathstrike, Iron Fist, Beast, Bullseye, Gambit, Taskmaster, Vulture, Mysterio, Vermin, Man-Bat, Orka Humbug, Spiderwoman, Arachne, Arana, Kingpin, Silver Samurai, Ravager
STREET
batman, daredevil, nightwing, hawkeye, moon-knight, Green arrow, Captain America, Swift, Grifter, Turok, Wildcat, Taskmaster, Elektra, Batgirl, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Mystique, Punisher, joker, penguin, riddler, Nomad, Nuke, Ra's Al Ghul, Arsenal/Red Arrow, Black Cat, Catwoman, Echo, Misty Knight, Shang Chi, Coleen Wing, Black Widow, Robin, White Tiger
SUB-SKYFATHER
Despero, Thanos, The Keeper, Dr. Strange (Classic), The Doctor, Mangog, Dr. Fate, Ion (current), The General (Shaggy Man), Tyrant (powered down), The Mask, onslaught, gog, Superman 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Validus, High Evolutionary, Darkseid
HERALD
morg, terrax, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), thor, sentry, Surfer, Adam Warlock, Loki, Gladiator, Quasar, Majestic, Apollo, Graviton, Orion, Infinity-Man, Absorbing Man (sans CIS), Superman, Cpt. Marvel (DC), Superman Blue/Red, Beta Ray Bill, Hyperion, Doomsday, Binary, General Zod, Mon-El, Supergirl, Stardust, Black Adam, Eradicator, Firelord, Original Lobo, Martian Manhunter, Fernus, Supreme (Leifeld), genis-vell, red shift, waverider, The Fallen One, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), Sinestro, Cyborg Superman, Spartan 3.0, Void, Runner
SUB-HERALD
magneto, apocalypse, , captain atom, sersi, Nate Grey, Hulk, Mandarin, Holocaust, Ultron, Super Skrull, FP Cable, Black Bolt, Engineer, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Juggernaut, Vision, Mar-vell, Breach, He-Man, Hercules (Immortal), Raven, Aquaman, Superboy, Animal Man, Darkness, Dr. Doom (w/magic), Wonder Woman, Invincible, Steel, Mimic (Exiles), Shaman, Sasquatch, Vulcan, Karate Kid, Ultra Boy, Matrix Supergirl, Dr. Light, Pitt, Union, prime, grodd, hector hammond, dr polaris, kalibak, maxima, mongul, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Jade, Green Lantern (Guy/John), Selene (External), Circe (DC), Jericho, Ronan the Accusor, Super Skrull
MID-TIER
ironman, colossus, thing, starfire, Thing, Abomination, Wonder Man, Namor, Ghost Rider, Rogue, Storm, Maul, ms. marvel, Blastaar, Cpt. Britain, Cyborg, Donna Troy, Wondergirl, Gamora, Hawkman/Girl, Invisible Woman, Guardian I, Classic Nova, Deathlok, Speedfreek, She-Hulk, Atom Smasher, War Machine, Human Torch, The Tick, Thunderstrike, Toxin, Lightning Lad, Havok, Mr. Sinister, Omega Red, Beast Boy, metallo, box, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, Atlas, Mister Hyde, Box, Attuma, Thunder, Grace Choi, Shift, Power Girl, Aegis, Mary Marvel, Captain Marvel Jr, Bishop, Crystal, Electro
ENHANCED
wolverine, killer croc, luke cage, deathstroke, spider-man, Midnighter, angel, sabertooth, Morlun, Beast, Cyclops, Drizzt Do'Urden, Bruenor Battlehammer, Wulfgar, Azrael, Lady Deathstrike, Iron Fist, Beast, Bullseye, Gambit, Taskmaster, Vulture, Mysterio, Vermin, Man-Bat, Orka Humbug, Spiderwoman, Arachne, Arana, Kingpin, Silver Samurai, Ravager
STREET
batman, daredevil, nightwing, hawkeye, moon-knight, Green arrow, Captain America, Swift, Grifter, Turok, Wildcat, Taskmaster, Elektra, Batgirl, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Mystique, Punisher, joker, penguin, riddler, Nomad, Nuke, Ra's Al Ghul, Arsenal/Red Arrow, Black Cat, Catwoman, Echo, Misty Knight, Shang Chi, Coleen Wing, Black Widow, Robin, White Tiger
HOw in god's name does dr. polaris get sub herald when he pwned some of the guys you guys have in herald lvl? How is Maxima Sub Herald? I'm guessing someone doesn't know all of her powers and what she can do with them.Why is Circe in SUbherald when she can beat almost any herald with Great Ease. You guys have Despero over Infinity man. WTF. WHO what when where and how did that happen. You guys have Fernus as a herald lvl? Fernus can Beat Deserpo. Orion has more firepower than almost everyone on the herald list and he's on it? How? and Why?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
HOw in god's name does dr. polaris get sub herald when he pwned some of the guys you guys have in herald lvl? How is Maxima Sub Herald? I'm guessing someone doesn't know all of her powers and what she can do with them.Why is Circe in SUbherald when she can beat almost any herald with Great Ease. You guys have Despero over Infinity man. WTF. WHO what when where and how did that happen. You guys have Fernus as a herald lvl? Fernus can Beat Deserpo. Orion has more firepower than almost everyone on the herald list and he's on it? How? and Why?
your doing what I was doin earlier lol
Originally posted by leonidas
didn't current marvel get an upgrade?
He's Shazam. But Classic Marvel and WW are Identicle in power. Except she has more powers, has better defense since her shields are impossible to breach unless your like 100 skyfather's, and Has gotten speed upgrades to light speed. Via JLA.
Originally posted by Redatom65
your doing what I was doin earlier lol
Indeed every DC name in the list needs to be pulled out and worked on by those of us who Are very very close to those characters. We know who beats who and thier histories. I would put Captain Atom at very high Herald lvl as well. In Kingdom Come, it took the might of Magog to crack open his armor. Remember who magog really was? 🙂
One more point, How in God's Name are any green lantern's considered Sub Herald? I'd best most any green lantern can hang with the Lowest of the heralds. They are the first line of Defense for Entire Sectors of Space. Hal Jordan and Kyle have feats that put them far beyond any Herald including silver Surfer and yet the best Gl's land on herald lvl? ANd the other's land on Sub herald? What is really going on here?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Indeed every DC name in the list needs to be pulled out and worked on by those of us who Are very very close to those characters. We know who beats who and thier histories. I would put Captain Atom at very high Herald lvl as well. In Kingdom Come, it took the might of Magog to crack open his armor. Remember who magog really was? 🙂
yup, as a matter of fact, I read Kingdom Come for the first time yesterday. Tell me is the "sequel" Kingdom, anygood?
SUB-SKYFATHER
Despero, Thanos, The Keeper, Dr. Strange (Classic), The Doctor, Mangog, Dr. Fate, Ion (current), The General (Shaggy Man), Tyrant (powered down), The Mask, onslaught, gog, Superman 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Validus, High Evolutionary, eclipso, johnny sorrow
HERALD
morg, terrax, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), thor, sentry, Surfer, Adam Warlock, Loki, Gladiator, Quasar, Majestic, Apollo, Graviton, Orion, Infinity-Man, Absorbing Man (sans CIS), Superman, Cpt. Marvel (DC), Superman Blue/Red, Beta Ray Bill, Hyperion, Doomsday, Binary, General Zod, Mon-El, Supergirl, Stardust, Black Adam, Eradicator, Firelord, Original Lobo, Martian Manhunter, Fernus, Supreme (Leifeld), genis-vell, red shift, waverider, The Fallen One, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), Sinestro, Cyborg Superman, Spartan 3.0, Void, Runner, amazo
SUB-HERALD
magneto, apocalypse, , captain atom, sersi, Nate Grey, Hulk, Mandarin, Holocaust, Ultron, Super Skrull, FP Cable, Black Bolt, Engineer, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Juggernaut, Vision, Mar-vell, Breach, He-Man, Hercules (Immortal), Raven, Aquaman, Superboy, Animal Man, Darkness, Dr. Doom (w/magic), Wonder Woman, Invincible, Steel, Mimic (Exiles), Shaman, Sasquatch, Vulcan, Karate Kid, Ultra Boy, Matrix Supergirl, Dr. Light, Pitt, Union, prime, grodd, hector hammond, dr polaris, kalibak, maxima, mongul, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Jade, Green Lantern (Guy/John), Selene (External), Circe (DC), Jericho, Ronan the Accusor, Super Skrull, bizarro, manchester black
MID-TIER
ironman, colossus, thing, starfire, Thing, Abomination, Wonder Man, Namor, Ghost Rider, Rogue, Storm, Maul, ms. marvel, Blastaar, Cpt. Britain, Cyborg, Donna Troy, Wondergirl, Gamora, Hawkman/Girl, Invisible Woman, Guardian I, Classic Nova, Deathlok, Speedfreek, She-Hulk, Atom Smasher, War Machine, Human Torch, The Tick, Thunderstrike, Toxin, Lightning Lad, Havok, Mr. Sinister, Omega Red, Beast Boy, metallo, box, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, Atlas, Mister Hyde, Box, Attuma, Thunder, Grace Choi, Shift, Power Girl, Aegis, Mary Marvel, Captain Marvel Jr, Bishop, Crystal, Electro, major force
ENHANCED
wolverine, killer croc, luke cage, deathstroke, spider-man, Midnighter, angel, sabertooth, Morlun, Beast, Cyclops, Drizzt Do'Urden, Bruenor Battlehammer, Wulfgar, Azrael, Lady Deathstrike, Iron Fist, Beast, Bullseye, Gambit, Taskmaster, Vulture, Mysterio, Vermin, Man-Bat, Orka Humbug, Spiderwoman, Arachne, Arana, Kingpin, Silver Samurai, Ravager
STREET
batman, daredevil, nightwing, hawkeye, moon-knight, Green arrow, Captain America, Swift, Grifter, Turok, Wildcat, Taskmaster, Elektra, Batgirl, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Mystique, Punisher, joker, penguin, riddler, Nomad, Nuke, Ra's Al Ghul, Arsenal/Red Arrow, Black Cat, Catwoman, Echo, Misty Knight, Shang Chi, Coleen Wing, Black Widow, Robin, White Tiger, deadshot, Lady Shiva, Talia
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i put a few in that MAY be off a level. major force has some good and bad showings so i couldn't decide mid or sub-herald.
darkseid in his history HAS been portrayed as skyfather, so let's leave him there for now.
is fernus simply MARTIAN MANHUNTER out of control, or MM in a more powerful version? i'd have thought he'd be sub skyfather as well.
manchester black MAY reach lower herald, but i wasn't 100% sure.
i wanted to put vandal savage at mid-tier, but wasn't 100% about him. he reminds me of mr sinister with a fluctuating power level. sinister COULD be sub herald as well, imo, rather easily.