Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
And there a thousands of things stronger that friggen wind. Wind is not that powerful.
All of which is stronger than Magneto's Shield, including Storm's winds can. Thor RAPED HIM of his shield. Storm's winds can scour the earth down to it's bedrock, re-direct the full power of a Phoenix force type Blast from Sienna Blaze, lift skysrapers with EASE etc. etc. 😎
Originally posted by Swanky-TunaIt's difficult breaking it down in to simpler terms. Debris and bullets receive their energy and direction and their off, just hope they reach their target. This metal Magneto will be controlling won't just bounce off something and fall onto the floor. You'd have to be goofy to believe something like that would happen. He will simply continue applying pressure until he's through Storm's silly "pressure dome" and do the damage there. You admitted he could get metal particles through when you admitted molecules would be able to breach the shield. That's all he needs to butcher her.
The rest of your post is just wishful hype and fluff.
Again, What will Storm be doing while this is happening?? 😕
She may just Drop a multiple suction vorticy Tornado on him smootherrng him all while safely behind the Dome of densly packed gasses and molecules.
And there are NO METAL MOLECULES IN THE AIR!!! 😘
Originally posted by 2damnloud
All of which is stronger than Magneto's Shield, including Storm's winds can. Thor RAPED HIM of his shield. Storm's winds can scour the earth down to it's bedrock, re-direct the full power of a Phoenix force type Blast from Sienna Blaze, lift skysrapers with EASE etc. etc. 😎Again, What will Storm be doing while this is happening?? 😕
She may just Drop a multiple suction vorticy Tornado on him smootherrng him all while safely behind the Dome of densly packed gasses and molecules.
And there are NO METAL MOLECULES IN THE AIR!!! 😘
😆 😆 😆 You just compared Storm to Thor. 😆 😆 😆
From an objective perspective is Storm really lifting this building or is she just bracing/supporting the foundation that Johnny Storm just smashed. I'm just curious what everyone in general thinks?
And would you call that a skyscraper? question
As for metal in air, I'm pretty sure they're are traces of Lead in air.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Ororo's control over the energies that govern the universe. Okay 😐 :http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9834/stormandcomputerenergy1id.jpg
http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenv208607rougherqb1.jpg
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/9128/xmenv208607rougherqb1.jpgReading back a few pages I still have to say, Storm isn't a telekinetic she's an atmokinetic:
😘 Classic cases of Storm being written DOWN in the context of a TEAM paradigm
The first scan is PIS Galactic core, Solar winds, the Blizzard>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in terms of energy in amount and diversity.
How can she all of a sudden NOT be able to control the energy of an earthly machinery??
That STILL doesn't take away from her abilities and how her powers actually work.
Second scan: Beyond her weather manipulating powers?? She's cloaked the EARTH in a greenhouse effect and manipulated EMPTY space along with other ad nauseum feats that I'm sure you all are aware of thanx to me😱
Storm is written down for the sake of a TEAM paradigm.
Fourth scan: of course she's not TELEKENETIC in the context of Jean Grey. Jean moves objects. Storm moves Enery patterns and sub-atomic particles with her MIND. Her powers have WELL been described.
Nice try👆
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Here's the Gamma Gun feat:http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4061/marvelsuperheroesv308p1hu0.jpg
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http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9658/marvelsuperheroesv308p2wm5.jpgHer winds depend on her atmosphere:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7831/17nb9.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6255/classicxmen01806jc0.jpgMore of Storms universal energy manipulation:
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2463/story1page04newwj8.jpg
What does the Gamma feat disprove that has been asserted.
second set of scans:
Storm an lift skyscrapers and level mountain and control the amount of density and pressure that atmospheric gasses can exert on an object.
Of course, no air no wind 😕 So???
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
From an objective perspective is Storm really lifting this building or is she just bracing/supporting the foundation that Johnny Storm just smashed. I'm just curious what everyone in general thinks?And would you call that a skyscraper? question
As for metal in air, I'm pretty sure they're are traces of Lead in air.
It been done. She lifted it and it was a skyscraper. You can make the scan bigger all you want. 😆
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
IIRC Wolverine comments on Storm using the Sentinel tech to perform that feat.BTW Regarding the Alpha Flight, UXM #120 and #121 wasn't it Shamans magical sand/dust that created that hurricane not Storm. Storm stopped it and it almost killed her.
And when you say Storms Hurricanes >>> Then any Earth Hurricane I'm afraid Storms powers don't work that way.
"Storm can only manipulate weather patterns as they exist in nature. Storm is not able to create atmospheric conditions that do not exist naturally on the planet she is on."
1) All that machine did was project gamma rays into the sun to create a solar flare from the star to end life on earth. That machine did not control weather or boost mutant powers nor was it tampered with to do any such thing. Storm manipulated the earth's ecosystem AND the gamma rays emmitted from the machine to shield the earth from the sun blast. She still manipulated all of that energy on her own without any outside enhancements etc. Magneto has never done anything that approaches this.
2) You are correct. Shaman's magic created the storm, but it was well beyond his power to stop it. Therefore Ororo had to stop it. BTW, as shown in Uncanny 151, it is more difficult to stop a storm than to start one. Storm>Shaman. Nice try, no cigar. Oh yeah, I notice that you fail to mention how in the issue before, Shaman created a storm to use against the X-Men. Ororo took control of it from him, doubled its power and turned it back upon him. 😄
3) Storm's Hurricanes>>>Real life hurricanes. I'm afraid that you don't understand that quote you read in the context of how Ororo's powers work. What that quote means is that Storm is limited to the resources of the planet. In other words, if the potential exists to create a 1000 mph wind, Storm can definately play that up even if what we have only seen is 300 mph. Your arguement is also completely blown out of the water when Storm does things like redirect Sienna Blaze's full power (somethat that makes Magneto a joke), creating pressure fields on Earth greater than the surface of Jupiter (Read this: http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/jupiter/jupiter.html), generating winds strong enough to tax Magneto's powers to the extreme (and this is nothing compared to her redirecting Sienna Blaze), etc. Got it? Good. 😄
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
And there a thousands of things stronger that friggen wind. Wind is not that powerful.It's difficult breaking it down in to simpler terms. Debris and bullets receive their energy and direction and their off, just hope they reach their target. This metal Magneto will be controlling won't just bounce off something and fall onto the floor. You'd have to be goofy to believe something like that would happen. He will simply continue applying pressure until he's through Storm's silly "pressure dome" and do the damage there. You admitted he could get metal particles through when you admitted molecules would be able to breach the shield. That's all he needs to butcher her.
The rest of your post is just wishful hype and fluff.
The rest of his post was not wishful thinking and you KNOW that. He threw Sienna Blaze up to you and you know that your Magneto stuff is trounced. Magneto does not compare that Blaze.
Look, guys, this fight is totally ridiculous. Storm has the major advantage here. First off, lets look at New Mutants issue 75, Magneto vs. Sebastien Shaw. The two were fighting. Magneto tried to use his powers on Shaw, but Shaw had technology in his suit that could match the polarity MAgneto used against him and throw Magneto's blasts back at Magneto. Magneto of course ended up generating a much greater charge and overwheming that and Sebastien Shaw's powers by using his full power to bring a lot of metal in the area to crush him. This is not the only time technology has been used to turn MAgneto's powers against him.
Now, lets look at Storm. Ororo can manipulate the polarity of energy fields. Don't contest me here or I will throw the scan at you. That said, She can summon a much greater amount of energy that Magneto ever could. This is a lady who has ended a HEMISPHERE-SIZED hurricane with just a gesture of her hands. That situation with sun blast in another thing that puts Ororo well beyond Magneto. In effect, if Magneto tried to throw anything at her, all she would have to do is generate a stronger charge around her body and she can repel it. He will not be able to overcome her like he did Shaw because she's frankly just too powerful. The same would hold true if he tried any magnetic attack to grab iron in her blood or anything. She could literally create a strong charge that would work against him and hurl his power right back at him. Even if you could cough up an issue where Magneto was able to manipulate the EM fields on a global level (and I know you can't becuase I KNOW my Magneto history. My older cousin's favorite character is Magneto hence I chose Storm as my favorite to trump his Magneto and we have debated this stuff for years), it still won't be enough to overcome Storm. When she is playing with the weather on a hemipshere scale, she is playing with gravitational fields, electrical and magnetic fields, heat, pressure gradiants and wind, moisture etc on that scale as well.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
All of which is stronger than Magneto's Shield, including Storm's winds can. Thor RAPED HIM of his shield. Storm's winds can scour the earth down to it's bedrock, re-direct the full power of a Phoenix force type Blast from Sienna Blaze, lift skysrapers with EASE etc. etc. 😎
Thor can simply absorb Magneto's shield with Mjolnir. Storm's mystical hammer can't do so much because it doesn't exist.
And I don't know where you get off claiming Sienna Blaze has the destructive power of what is supposedly the new embodiment of existence.
Again, What will Storm be doing while this is happening?? 😕
What can she do in 4-7 seconds that would make any difference? You admitted earlier that Magneto would be safe in his shield but he would suffocate due to non-ventilation. I think he has enough air in there to do what he needs to do. The average human breathes about 2 gallons of air a minute. How many gallons of air are in an 8 foot sphere minus the mass of a man?
She may just Drop a multiple suction vorticy Tornado on him smootherrng him all while safely behind the Dome of densly packed gasses and molecules.
Once again, you're just making things up. How can a vortex of wind have multiple vortexes? How can it have multiple suctions? This crap you're making up is worse than the technobabble on Star Trek except it sounds more hilarious than technical or dangerous or credible even on a fictional scale.
Densely packed gases, which happen to be molecules at the same time, amazing isn't it?, won't do any good. Magneto has pierced far denser things than compressed air. It's ridiculous you'd even try play that card.
And there are NO METAL MOLECULES IN THE AIR!!! 😘
Originally posted by Rutog98
The rest of his post was not wishful thinking and you KNOW that. He threw Sienna Blaze up to you and you know that your Magneto stuff is trounced. Magneto does not compare that Blaze.
Tuna,
In regards to the winds/Magneto's force-field, do you know what the important thing there was? Really, its not whether or not she knocked the force-field down as its only an application of his powers therefore it is BACKED by his powers. The thing that really damages Magneto here was the fact that her winds produce enough force to strain his powers to the extreme. That's what's damaging. Lets say that you are right and he dropped his force-field (which is a VERY stupid assertion as she told him while his force-field was up that she was going to toss something very powerful at him and it would not be lightning), the fact that his powers were greatly strained against those winds also means the same would hold true for his force-field. He tries to put up a force-field against those winds and the winds are going to have just as much force. In fact, the force-field would make it worse. Not only would he have to anchor himself against the winds, but he would have to maintain the integrity of his force-field at the same time as Ororo would have no problems allowing her winds (which can lift sky scrapers, scour the earth to its bedrock or redirect Sienna Blaze) to batter his shield. Here, she knocked his force-field down (even if you don't agree, it does not matter), but the winds were not so tightly focused that they battered his body. (She did not want to kill him. She was able to batter a weakened Dark Phoenix with a tornado of "unimaginable power" to the extent where Dark Phoenix was screaming in pain.)
It doesn't matter about Sienna Blaze/Phoenix stuff. The point is Sienna Blaze is MUCH stronger than Magneto. That's the whole point and if Ororo can redirect her with her winds, Magneto does not have a prayer. Sorry.
In regards to his force-field, its not even an obstacle for Ororo. lol. She can manipulate the atmosphere THROUGH force-fields. She's done it with Jean Grey and Invisible Woman. Storm can also create tornadoes and thunderstorms that fit in the palm of your hand. She could create a mini vortex in Magneto's force field and slam him against the side of his own shields. Considering how durable it is, that would hurt a lot. She could raise the temperature in there with him or even manipulate what atmospheric pressure is in the field to keep the air away from his mouth and nostrils and suffocate him. She's too versatile and too powerful for Magneto to realistically fight.
While Magneto is reaching around trying to put metal molecules in the air, Storm attacks him directly and takes him out of the fight.
Our 'fanciful misinterpretations?' Don't make me laugh. art of the reason I won't budge is how you and your side try to take things Ororo does and is stated in PLAIN english in the issue and try and twist it beyond recognition from what was stated in canon. This is the reason I said Storm can create vibranium adamantium out of thin air. Its a lot more logical than this kind of stuff like this Storm/Magneto crap you guys are coming up with. Magneto cannot beat this character without a great deal of PIS working in his favor. She can control MUCH greater amounts of energy than he can. You cannot dispute this. If you do, I'm going to challenge you to provide cannon where he has summoned the power of millions of stars or where has he ever done anything on a continental, hemisphere or global scale without an artificial "pick me up." She can literally overwhelm any attack he can muster by generating a stronger charge. He would be unable to cope with this since the resources she can bring to bear far outstrips what he is able to bring to bear or manipulate.
Man, people! If you wanted to debate this realistically, you should be debating this from the POV that Storm holds back. However, blood lust is on, so that's null and void. She's a much stronger mutant.
Also, he cannot penetrate her pressure dome. Its ultra dense hence she was able to punch her way through that landform and deflect those projectiles.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Exodus Colak, I don't know what you hoped to accomplish with those scans. 2Loud and I have presented instances where she is stronger than those portrayals so your scans of her shown weaker than we state are null and void.
That's not the way it works here. We look at the character as a whole.
Otherwise, the Hulk would be collapsing dimensions in every thread he's placed in.
Originally posted by Soljer
That's not the way it works here. We look at the character as a whole.Otherwise, the Hulk would be collapsing dimensions in every thread he's placed in.
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Imagine that the wall is a fanboys stubborness and all those weapons are well thought out arguments.
