Storm vs Magneto pt 2

Originally posted by Soljer
That's not the way it works here. We look at the character as a whole.

Otherwise, the Hulk would be collapsing dimensions in every thread he's placed in.

Here is your problem: CC's Storm, the classic Storm, was 95% of the time portrayed as MASSIVELY powerful who could go to town like nobody's business. Tick her off, and she would really give you something to shout about. This is how she was for the vast majority of her existence as a character. You are trying to go with the weakest STorm possible while giving all other characters their best.

In the case of Hulk and the dimension thing, it is not applicable here. Storm has the potential to evolve and wield unlimited power. Given her powerset, the things that I am debating have happened or are very plausible. She's much scarier than Hulk is. In regards to this debate, she has accomplished feats MANY times over greater than what Magneto has done. 2 out of the three times they fought (the last two times the fought), Magneto only survived the fight with her any length of time because she holds back. Storm is a PF level character whether you like it or not. That article EC posted that had the CC interview does not dispute this as EC twisted it and took it out of context of the canon.

As a matter of fact, Storm's high end power showings not only far outdoes MAgneto's and she has a greater number of them to boot. Your side's arguement is weak sauce.

Stupid bottom of the page.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
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Imagine that the wall is a fanboys stubborness and all those weapons are well thought out arguments.

He can **** with he blood flow. He can control lightning better than her. He has shields that withstand a nuke and Phoenix (the Phoenix one may be SMvsFL though) so what is lightning going to do? He's knocked out Rogue with one gesture. He has crazy reflexes and is no slouch in speed either, nor strength.

His shields have also took a low level blast from Galactus.

Whats to stop Magneto from making a worm hole to suck up Storm?

Not to mention he can still keep going after taking 2 nukes and still attrcked a rap load of energy. Storm may be a bit out classed here.

Also, I know this happened at some point or whatever, but coldness and ice makes his abilities even more powerful. I think it happened while he was fighting the X-men and Iceman.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm>Shaman.

did anyone else feel like PMing that to Mungi?

😆 😆 😆

Yeah, I don't think people realize how boosted was Alpha Flight to begin with. Now that thew Have BRB that should give people the proper idea.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
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Imagine that the wall is a fanboys stubborness and all those weapons are well thought out arguments.

I've seen a different version of this before where the wall actually broke. Here it is.

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Originally posted by inimalist
did anyone else feel like PMing that to Mungi?

😆 😆 😆

I'm speaking in terms of weather control. 😉

Originally posted by Arachnid1
He can **** with he blood flow. He can control lightning better than her. He has shields that withstand a nuke and Phoenix (the Phoenix one may be SMvsFL though) so what is lightning going to do? He's knocked out Rogue with one gesture. He has crazy reflexes and is no slouch in speed either, nor strength.

His shields have also took a low level blast from Galactus.

Whats to stop Magneto from making a worm hole to suck up Storm?

Not to mention he can still keep going after taking 2 nukes and still attrcked a rap load of energy. Storm may be a bit out classed here.

Also, I know this happened at some point or whatever, but coldness and ice makes his abilities even more powerful. I think it happened while he was fighting the X-men and Iceman.

Storm controls lightning better than Magneto.

In the issue where he overpowered Phoenix, Storm overpowered him. CC said in an interview that Storm and Phoenix were rivalling in power.

I have let you guys get away with the nuke thing too much. I am going to call you on it now. Somebody post a scan. From what I remember, Rogue and Magneto were talking in the air while *HE* was carrying a couple of nukes with him to arm his base. The army shot a missile and hit Rogue. Rogue would have fallen to her death, but Magneto saved her. If I remember correctly, it was Magneto who fired the nuke in retaliation. We did not see him explode the nuke or anything. He could have sent it away from him (gone one direction and sent the nuke the other direction) and made it explode from a safe distance. I believe this is from X-Men issue 1, 2 or 3 or something. Anywhoo, it has been a long time since I have read the story. Can somebody post scans where Magneto withstood nukes?

In regards to the low in blast from Galactus, Cyclops has done more impressive blasts than that. That blast did not do much damage at all and Magneto did not even have Galactus' attention. It was like one of us just walking down the street and casually shooing away a fly that was buzzing around us. Well, even less than that since Magneto did not even have that much attention from Galactus. I think Jubilee on average throws stronger blasts than what Galactus threw.

Originally posted by Rutog98
1) All that machine did was project gamma rays into the sun to create a solar flare from the star to end life on earth. That machine did not control weather or boost mutant powers nor was it tampered with to do any such thing. Storm manipulated the earth's ecosystem AND the gamma rays emmitted from the machine to shield the earth from the sun blast. She still manipulated all of that energy on her own without any outside enhancements etc. Magneto has never done anything that approaches this.

The scan says it all: Storm aided by tech, the tech is the reason why she was able to perform that feat. Regardless of your speculation it's stated right there.

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/737/marvelsuperheroesv308p1vp5.jpg

2) You are correct. Shaman's magic created the storm, but it was well beyond his power to stop it. Therefore Ororo had to stop it. BTW, as shown in Uncanny 151, it is more difficult to stop a storm than to start one. Storm>Shaman. Nice try, no cigar. Oh yeah, I notice that you fail to mention how in the issue before, Shaman created a storm to use against the X-Men. Ororo took control of it from him, doubled its power and turned it back upon him. 😄

We know Storm stopped it. If you bothered to read the post I was responding to you'd see why I said those things. 2damn thought Storm was the one who made that Hurricane. 🙄

3) Storm's Hurricanes>>>Real life hurricanes. I'm afraid that you don't understand that quote you read in the context of how Ororo's powers work. What that quote means is that Storm is limited to the resources of the planet. In other words, if the potential exists to create a 1000 mph wind, Storm can definately play that up even if what we have only seen is 300 mph. Your arguement is also completely blown out of the water when Storm does things like redirect Sienna Blaze's full power (somethat that makes Magneto a joke), creating pressure fields on Earth greater than the surface of Jupiter (Read this: http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/jupiter/jupiter.html), generating winds strong enough to tax Magneto's powers to the extreme (and this is nothing compared to her redirecting Sienna Blaze), etc. Got it? Good. 😄 [/B]

Eh since 1000mph hurricanes don't exist naturally on Earth she can't. And they're like 5+ bios saying this. Her Hurricanes = Real Life Hurricanes. Pressures such as those on the surface of Jupiter do actually exist on Earth.(Inside the Earth) So creating a jovian pressure dome is well within her resources on Earth.

The Sienna Blaze feat gives no actual magnitude of the winds needed to deflect the blast. So again speculation on your part. There's a handbook that says her winds reach 300mph. The fastest windspeed recorded on Earth is apparently 318mph. So for all purposes her fastest wind on Earth would be 318mph.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
😘 Classic cases of Storm being written DOWN in the context of a TEAM paradigm

The first scan is PIS Galactic core, Solar winds, the Blizzard>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in terms of energy in amount and diversity.

How can she all of a sudden NOT be able to control the energy of an earthly machinery??

That STILL doesn't take away from her abilities and how her powers actually work.

Second scan: Beyond her weather manipulating powers?? She's cloaked the EARTH in a greenhouse effect and manipulated EMPTY space along with other ad nauseum feats that I'm sure you all are aware of thanx to me😱

Storm is written down for the sake of a TEAM paradigm.

Fourth scan: of course she's not TELEKENETIC in the context of Jean Grey. Jean moves objects. Storm moves Enery patterns and sub-atomic particles with her MIND. Her powers have WELL been described.

Nice try👆

The point of the first two scans was to show that her powers don't work the way you say it works. She doesn't manipulate everything. Her powers are linked/limited to meterological phenomena.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
What does the Gamma feat disprove that has been asserted.

second set of scans:
Storm an lift skyscrapers and level mountain and control the amount of density and pressure that atmospheric gasses can exert on an object.

Of course, no air no wind 😕 So???

Gamma Gun scan, aided by tech I'm afraid.

You forgot to comment on that scan where she gets captured and hit by humans with clubs.

Yeah, she used the energies from the gamma gun in conjunction with the energies from the Earth.

Prove that pressures greater than the surface of Jupiter is on Earth.

You say that winds at 1000 mph are impossible on Earth, I don't buy it. I think there is potential energy for that on this planet. Regardless, Storm has accomplished feats with her winds that far outstretch the power of any real life hurricane or tornado.

Storm can "Break the rules".

All she would need to do is create more heat. She can draw Heat from the earth.

In the scans Storm manipulated Gamma radiation. It was stated that she could not and Magneto could use that against her(radiation). I stated that essentially, and for all intents and purposes, Ororo has manipualted every form of radiation in a FAAAAAAAAAAR greater quantity than Magneto.

The Galactic core encompasses just about, if not every form of radiation--Alpha, Beta, Gamma(along with the Gamma gun feat) infared etc.

Storms powers work by energy patterns. It is not something that can be granted and taken away by disgruntled posters. It's NOT A F.E.A.T. From the begining, that is how her weather manipualting powers are made manifest.

You can't take those feats away from her because it's her power, and it has continuity.

She viewed Shaman's Storm as energy before she diffused it(Tangible matter such as air, rain and all). Before she did the Galactic Core It was her energy manipuation, when she manipulated empty Space, again, it was her manipualting the energies etc etc. Xtreme issue 5 and 13 also show her doing the same thing she did 20 years prior. Issue 13 explains that this is how her powers work.

Storm's Power>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Magneto.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Yeah, she used the energies from the gamma gun in conjunction with the energies from the Earth.

Prove that pressures greater than the surface of Jupiter is on Earth.

You say that winds at 1000 mph are impossible on Earth, I don't buy it. I think there is potential energy for that on this planet. Regardless, Storm has accomplished feats with her winds that far outstretch the power of any real life hurricane or tornado.

Whatever she was aided by tech in that feat. How she used the tech is unknown the comic doesn't say. Replicating a similar feat without the very same piece of tech is highly questionable and therefore makes that feat redundant.

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/PavelKhazron.shtml
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/jupiterfact.html

Surface pressure on Jupiter:

Jovian Pressure Field = 1000 bars = 1*10^8 Pa
Pressure inside the Earth = 362-390GPa = 1*10^9Pa

Think what you want the fastest wind recorded on Earth is 318mph. The handbook limited her winds to 300mph. As far as her feats with wind go, the only two that I recall which give a magnitude was the Proteus one which was 100mph and the Roguestorm one which was around 278mph. So the 1000mph wind thing is speculation on your part.

She created presssures STRONGER than that of Jupiter.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
She created presssures STRONGER than that of Jupiter.

Eh yeah 362*10^9 is much bigger then 1*10^8

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Whatever she was aided by tech in that feat. How she used the tech is unknown the comic doesn't say. Replicating a similar feat without the very same piece of tech is highly questionable and therefore makes that feat redundant.

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/PavelKhazron.shtml
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/jupiterfact.html

Surface pressure on Jupiter:

Jovian Pressure Field = 1000 bars = 1*10^8 Pa
Pressure inside the Earth = 362-390GPa = 1*10^9Pa

Think what you want the fastest wind recorded on Earth is 318mph. The handbook limited her winds to 300mph. As far as her feats with wind go, the only two that I recall which give a magnitude was the Proteus one which was 100mph and the Roguestorm one which was around 278mph. So the 1000mph wind thing is speculation on your part.

LOL! The 300 mph thing is now stricken from the Handbooks. She has pulled feats like lifting that skyscraper, smashing Magneto's force field and taxing his power and redirecting Sienna Blaze. Those things are all FAR beyond the power of a 300 mph wind.

In that Rougestorm issue, nowhere was it stated that those were her max winds.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Eh yeah 362*10^9 is much bigger then 1*10^8

Cool, you realize that in storms, you do not get pressures like this. The fact that Ororo can generate this kind of atmospheric pressure automatically puts her winds at MUCH greater than anything in real life. The greater the pressure differences between two fronts, the greater the winds. You want to limit her to real life, but this stunt alone places her well beyond that.

Originally posted by Rutog98
LOL! The 300 mph thing is now stricken from the Handbooks. She has pulled feats like lifting that skyscraper, smashing Magneto's force field and taxing his power and redirecting Sienna Blaze. Those things are all FAR beyond the power of a 300 mph wind.

In that Rougestorm issue, nowhere was it stated that those were her max winds.

She braced a building.
She did not smash Magnetos forcefield.

As for Sienna how do you know the winds were greater then 300mph? Speculation again.

I never said it did the handbook said her max was 300mph so she must be able to go to 300mph. I only recall two instances where it actually labels how fast her wind is going. You are speculating. It's like me saying one of Sunfires blasts contain 800Terajoules of heat energy.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Cool, you realize that in storms, you do not get pressures like this. The fact that Ororo can generate this kind of atmospheric pressure automatically puts her winds at MUCH greater than anything in real life. The greater the pressure differences between two fronts, the greater the winds. You want to limit her to real life, but this stunt alone places her well beyond that.

However pressures like that do exist naturally in the Earth. There's air gaps in the Earths interior as well. So technically she's not breaking any rules. She's an atmokinetic she compresses the particles of air to set up a field.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
She created presssures STRONGER than that of Jupiter.

I'm sorry to keep comparing Storm's feats to tire pressure but that's as powerful as it is.

Magneto can pop a tire so he can pop Storm. In the face. With metal shards.

You two are ****ing adorable.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
The pressure of Jupiter's atmosphere is at, or slightly lower, than that of a tire.

I'm sorry to keep comparing Storm's feats to tire pressure [b]but that's as powerful as it is.

Magneto can pop a tire so he can pop Storm. In the face. With metal shards.

You two are ****ing adorable. [/B]

^😘 @ your dumbass analogies of comparing pressure in tire to ATMOSPHERIC pressures per square inch, pressure so strong that Hydrogen atoms or molecules turn to liquid metal.

They can't even land on Jupiter because it would crush a Spaceship.Jupiter doesn't really have a surface anyway.

Storm causes the gasses in our atmosphere(essentially the air) to CRUSH Magneto.

Again, Metal shards won't get through her High desnity pressure dome. Tons and tons of rock and ice couldn't so Magneto's not doing a goddamn thing.😆

Again, Storm is more powerful than Magneto.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
^😘 @ your dumbass analogies of comparing pressure in tire to ATMOSPHERIC pressures per square inch, pressure so strong that Hydrogen atoms or molecules turn to liquid metal.

Atoms or molecules? You're just guessing. Guessing has no place in a debate.

They can't even land on Jupiter because it would crush a Spaceship.Jupiter doesn't really have a surface anyway.

Storm causes the gasses in our atmosphere(essentially the air) to CRUSH Magneto.

Again, Metal shards won't get through her High desnity pressure dome. Tons and tons of rock and ice couldn't so Magneto's not doing a goddamn thing.😆

Storm causes the gasses in our atmosphere(essentially the air) to CRUSH Magneto.