Originally posted by Longinus
Apoc, Storm and Mags seem to have far more potential than Iceman. What makes him so great, that he can exist as long as there is moisture where he is?
But he is a mook.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
The pressure of Jupiter's atmosphere is at, or slightly lower, than that of a tire.I'm sorry to keep comparing Storm's feats to tire pressure [b]but that's as powerful as it is
.Magneto can pop a tire so he can pop Storm. In the face. With metal shards.
You two are ****ing adorable. [/B]
That actually makes a lot of sense that's like double Earth, I also came across that a while back but chose to ignore it for some odd reason:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=surface+pressure+jupiter&btnG=Search&meta=
Here's the air dome feat:
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1374/pressuredome14ac.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5674/pressuredome21bz.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2064/pressuredome39dt.jpg
And the Jovian feat:
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/755/jovianpressurefield0zn.jpg
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9361/jovianpressurefield22ts.jpg
Originally posted by Longinus
Just curious but are either Magneto or Storm Omega's, has it been hinted at? I think they should be
Magneto, no. Storm, yes. It was stated that Storm is a potential Omega in Black Panther. Outside of that, her powers are limited to her body and will. It is canon that she will transcend her body and evolve beyond humanity into a true goddess. Her only limitation will be her imagination.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
She braced a building.
She did not smash Magnetos forcefield.As for Sienna how do you know the winds were greater then 300mph? Speculation again.
I never said it did the handbook said her max was 300mph so she must be able to go to 300mph. I only recall two instances where it actually labels how fast her wind is going. You are speculating. It's like me saying one of Sunfires blasts contain 800Terajoules of heat energy.
However pressures like that do exist naturally in the Earth. There's air gaps in the Earths interior as well. So technically she's not breaking any rules. She's an atmokinetic she compresses the particles of air to set up a field.
She was not bracing the building. She was flying in the air with the building above her. Go that? Human Torch BURNED all of the support that was holding the building up. This was stated in plain english in the book. Her winds were the only thing supporting the weight of the entire building (as the issue stated he burned away the support of the ENTIRE building).
Here is the Storm/Torch battle:
300 mph can't do that. That said, I am not going to argue with you about how fast Ororo's winds can travel anymore. Instead, I am going to argue the merits of the force of her winds based off of what she has accomplished. Now, she can generate enough wind force to redirect Sienna Blaze. Magneto's powers are nothing compared to that. Those winds would tear him and his force-field apart. Also, in the force-field issue with Magneto that we are debating, here are the scans:
The definitive panel is where he states that those winds are placing a great strain on his powers.
Also, the fact that Ororo can go to such extremes with pressure that it far outdoes what you will find in any storm automatically gives her winds far beyond the 300 mph limit. I think this is why MArvel took it out. It does not work for the character scientifically nor does it begin to explain the some of the stunts she's pulled with those winds.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Whatever she was aided by tech in that feat. How she used the tech is unknown the comic doesn't say. Replicating a similar feat without the very same piece of tech is highly questionable and therefore makes that feat redundant.
You missed my point entirely. What I was pointing out was the fact that STorm deflected the sun blasts, but the point that she was able to control the energy patterns of the world and the rays being emmitted by that gamma ray gun on a global scale all by herself. You may question if she can block another blast from the sun without those gamma rays handy there for her to manipulate to form her shield greenhouse thing, but what you cannot take away from the character is that she was able to shape all of those energies by herself without any outside/artificial power "pick me ups." This stunt is WELL beyond anything Magneto has done without the aid of a machine. Personally, I think with the proper motivation, she could pull it again if it happened tomorrow.
The stunts where she alters weather over a continent (which she has done twice, once over N. America, the other over Africa), a hemisphere, or even concentrates the full electrical power of a storm into her body all puts her leaps and bounds beyond Magneto. What she did to Sienna Blaze does as well.
Originally posted by Rutog98
She was not bracing the building. She was flying in the air with the building above her. Go that? Human Torch BURNED all of the support that was holding the building up. This was stated in plain english in the book. Her winds were the only thing supporting the weight of the entire building (as the issue stated he burned away the support of the ENTIRE building).Here is the Storm/Torch battle:
He only broke one row of walls that is only part of the foundation. Actually you can see parts of the foundation around her and below her.
300 mph can't do that. That said, I am not going to argue with you about how fast Ororo's winds can travel anymore. Instead, I am going to argue the merits of the force of her winds based off of what she has accomplished. Now, she can generate enough wind force to redirect Sienna Blaze. Magneto's powers are nothing compared to that. Those winds would tear him and his force-field apart. Also, in the force-field issue with Magneto that we are debating, here are the scans:The definitive panel is where he states that those winds are placing a great strain on his powers.
Again all your speculation no given figure. It's like me saying one of Sunfires blasts contain 700Terajoules of heat energy. Not on if is actual proof of Storms winds reaching a speed of 300mph. Also the new handbook had a huge junk removed from her powers section Probably because they ran out of room.
Also, the fact that Ororo can go to such extremes with pressure that it far outdoes what you will find in any storm automatically gives her winds far beyond the 300 mph limit. I think this is why MArvel took it out. It does not work for the character scientifically nor does it begin to explain the some of the stunts she's pulled with those winds. [/B]
Read Swanky's post:
How do we know the pressure dome and Storms Jovian Pressure field wasn't in fact this?:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jupiter+surface+pressure&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
20-200Kpa?
Originally posted by Rutog98
You missed my point entirely. What I was pointing out was the fact that STorm deflected the sun blasts, but the point that she was able to control the energy patterns of the world and the rays being emmitted by that gamma ray gun on a global scale all by herself. You may question if she can block another blast from the sun without those gamma rays handy there for her to manipulate to form her shield greenhouse thing, but what you cannot take away from the character is that she was able to shape all of those energies by herself without any outside/artificial power "pick me ups." This stunt is WELL beyond anything Magneto has done without the aid of a machine. Personally, I think with the proper motivation, she could pull it again if it happened tomorrow.The stunts where she alters weather over a continent (which she has done twice, once over N. America, the other over Africa), a hemisphere, or even concentrates the full electrical power of a storm into her body all puts her leaps and bounds beyond Magneto. What she did to Sienna Blaze does as well.
Was she able to directly manipulate the Gamma radiation or was she able to use her weather warping to indirectly guide it towards the elemental green house effect? Could she have performed that feat without the gamma radiation? Could she have performed that feat on a global scale without the gamma radiation? Did the gamma radiation beam amplify the weather patterns around her? Did it change the enviroment somehow? Did it have any indirect effect on her? All questions that can't be answered. Comic doesn't tell us the physics behind what she actually did. All we know is she was aided by the tech.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Exodus Cloak's desperate post:"He only broke one row of walls that is only part of the foundation. Actually you can see parts of the foundation around her and below her."
He said that he burned the support for the ENTIRE building. Why don't you try reading the text, hmmm?
Originally posted by Rutog98
Exodus Cloak's desperate post:"He only broke one row of walls that is only part of the foundation. Actually you can see parts of the foundation around her and below her."
He said that he burned the support for the ENTIRE building. Why don't you try reading the text, hmmm?
He didn't say he burned all the support for the entire building he said those walls provide the foundation support for an entire building. Which they do. Part of the foundtion does provide support for an entire building. No where does it say he burnt all the walls.
Panel art even shows him flying through one row of walls.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I feel sorry for you if you'd take Johnny Storm's advice on architecture. And I feel even more sorry if you think buildings are supported solely by a series of columns placed in a straight line through the center of the building's basement.
And I feel sorry for you that you have to feel so desperate that you twist canon and what stated/depicted in issues because you feel that you have to weaken this character. I feel sorry for you in how you think Magneto's stunts of straining to pull atoms together to make a comb for Wasp or him lifting a heavy object is as impressive as Storm summoning the full power of millions of stars or her controlling energy on a continental, hemisphere or global scale. I feel sorry that you think that buildings can just hang out in the air above people all of their own volition just because you don't want to admit that Storm's winds were responsible for that building being suspended above her head as she flew up into the sky. I feel sorry that you can't admit that the winds STorm used against Sienna Blaze would tear MAgneto apart as his powers are nowhere near what Sienna throws. He's a joke in comparison.
