Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
So, one feat that goes against consistency, cancles out 6 consistent feats?
Sometimes even you have to see the bullshit you're spewing out of your trap.
Also, wasn't there a stipulation when she supposedly "had him near death"?
Nope actually it was THREE times. She hit him with a Blizzard and held back(team dynamic), She created a vacuum(team dynamic), She made vortex around him suffocating him and strianing his powers but colossus was there just in the nick of time(more team dynamic).
In this fight it is one-on-one, no "team dynamic" to hinder Storm from going all out.
Storm would win just based on Mags tech support NEEDS.
Storm's just WAAAAY more powerful. 💃
It is INDISPUTABLE, whether you like it or not, that Storm can harness waaaaay mor power just on her own MERIT.
She's more powerful.
Originally posted by 2damnloud3 vs 6... hmm...
Nope actually it was THREE times. She hit him with a Blizzard and held back(team dynamic), She created a vacuum(team dynamic), She made vortex around him suffacating him and strianing his powers but colossus was there just in the nick of time(more tema dynamic).In this fight it is one-on-one, no "team dynamic" to hinder Storm from going all out.
Storm would win just based on Mags tech support NEEDS.
Storm's just WAAAAY more powerful. 💃
It is INDISPUTABLE, whether you like it or not, that Storm can harness waaaaay mor power just on her own MERIT.
She's more powerful.
Actually, there is another occasion where Mags showed her up.
It involves a car, and a storm...
And saving kids where she couldn't.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Nope actually it was THREE times. She hit him with a Blizzard and held back(team dynamic), She created a vacuum(team dynamic), She made vortex around him suffocating him and strianing his powers but colossus was there just in the nick of time(more team dynamic).In this fight it is one-on-one, no "team dynamic" to hinder Storm from going all out.
Storm would win just based on Mags tech support NEEDS.
Storm's just WAAAAY more powerful. 💃
It is INDISPUTABLE, whether you like it or not, that Storm can harness waaaaay mor power just on her own MERIT.
She's more powerful.
noooo she not she has not shown on a consistant bases to be able to do anything like that. the only reason she was able to suffocate him was because he had his shield down. He has also shown on soooo many occations to be able to over power her with her own lighning.
I guess when you only look at the pis feats of one character and the low end showing of another it could look that way.
Originally posted by jasofisc
noooo she not she has not shown on a consistant bases to be able to do anything like that. the only reason she was able to suffocate him was because he had his shield down. He has also shown on soooo many occations to be able to over power her with her own lighning.I guess when you only look at the pis feats of one character and the low end showing of another it could look that way.
Why would she show it on a CONSISTENT basis, within a TEAM, and be the ONLY member of said team to defeat their main foe???? Would that not NEGATE the team if she can do it all by herself ALL the times they faced off??
Writers/editors think of it that way, DUH.🙄
I'm going by, even WITHIN a team, she almost KILLED him three times, whereas he hurt her several times.
When she hit him with that vortex he was DYING, he only had SECONDS.😆
Im also going by capability.
Magneto is NOT as capable as Storm.
It took ALL his remaining strength to manipulate the Magnetic fields in a Storm SHE created. Whereas Storm can channel a CONTINENTAL sized storm, not of her creation through herself to calm it. Of course there are instances her controling Solar winds in Uncanny 99, then in Uncanny 165 she takes it to another level manipualting the Galactic core much the same as she controls weather on earth-- drawing energy into herself summoning it's FULL power. After this, in Uncanny 166, she manipulates what is porbably is zero-point energy to create cosmic lightning. Now she will take on Surfer, and from what I've heard......hey.....don't get ya panties in a bunch fellas. 😆
Her ability is the catalyst for her power--her ability to view, have a connection with, and control infnitesimal amounts of energy down to a sub-atomic level.
The above is what people forget about Storm and her "weather Manipulation".
We have seen this power in continuity several times. It's actually HOW her powers work, and how she manipulates the the forces of nature(their base parts) This is why she can make clothes from nothing, perform electrolysis, make plasma, manipulate other planetary weather, space, stars, other realities etc. etc. Again, why would she use it to the NTH degree consistenly in a team dynamic?? If she doesn't, does that negate the fact that she originally did and has the power to??? This is where you fall into the logical fallacies.
Make a viable argument, not a fallacious one.😖mart:
Okay, I have a decent argument.
It may have been reconned, but back in the early 90's Storm said herself that she can handle natural lightening, but BIO-electricity effects her like it would anyone else. Then, to prove it, some guy who ranks 10 steps below Electro one-shotted her with his bio-electricity and said "HA! I knew her immunity didn't cover electric blasts formed INSIDE the body!"
So.........there ya go.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Explain in your own words or with a viable source.😖mart:
If you mean the vacuum part, space isn't a perfect vacuum, the fact that you can see the stars in the background of every shot proves there's at least light filling the area. If you think there's a patch where light isn't filling the area, I challenge you to go into an empty field and find a piece of open air that is pitch black because of the absence of light.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
From the respect thread. I'm sure you two will find some outlandish excuses for her inability to beat Magneto.
:::yawn:::
Lets take a look at those scans, shall we? 😉
Storm and Magneto have only fought 3 times. Scans two and three came from the very first time they fought. He won because he had studied her and the rest of her team while she had no knowledge of his powers. Scott said that the team stood no chance against him since they were not trained in fighting him. Okay, so I'll give you that one. However, the next two times they fought, Ororo overpowered him and only lost because she held back.
In panels four and five, those are not canon. Those came froom X-Men adventures fromt eh TV series. Look, I know my canon well. This was a desperate ploy for you to try and slip this in. I own those issues myself.
In panel six, that was taken from the "Magneto War." The "storm" Ororo was referring to was a magnetic storm. It was not a weather one. There was no weather storm going on there. Regardless, the whole thing is null and void since Magneto was on a magnetic amplification machine to boost his powers. I would like to point out that later in this story, Storm is controlling and redirecting Magneto's energies here:
And now we get to the first scan. I already dealt with that, so I will just cut and paste what I said earlier:
Storm is a much more powerful mutant than Magneto. The lightning should not have been able to hurt Storm. It is stated in other issues (and shown) that Storm cannot be directly harmed by the manifestations of weather. Hence, she has channeled continent-sized blizzards through her body, is immune to air friction and can breathe at any speed, she always calls lightning down upon herself and has even focused the full electrical power of a storm through her body. Notice how in the scan it is stated that the only reason the bolt hurt her is because she was caught by surprise with it and her body did not compensate for the energy. She should have been able to feel that lightning bolt before it fell. She should have been able to sense Magneto's warping of em fields to attract that bolt from the sky (notice, the bolt hit her first and thus was "filtered" before it hit him. We have never seen Magneto take a bolt directly from the sky.) When injured, Storm's control over lightning, in particular, is weakened. Notice that despite this (and the bolt should not have hurt her to begin with), she was still able to challlenge MAgneto's control over the bolt. She has flown on a bolt of electricity, pulled it out of planetary EM fields (I don't have the scan for that issue, but trust me, she did it!), create and control em fields as she did here: as well as other things. Blitzkrieg, who's control over electricity far outstrips Magneto's, battled Storm and she beat him big time. Here, he cages Storm in electricity and look at what she does:
Originally posted by Rutog98
:::yawn:::Lets take a look at those scans, shall we? 😉
Storm and Magneto have only fought 3 times. Scans two and three came from the very first time they fought. He won because he had studied her and the rest of her team while she had no knowledge of his powers. Scott said that the team stood no chance against him since they were not trained in fighting him. Okay, so I'll give you that one. However, the next two times they fought, Ororo overpowered him and only lost because she held back.
You have a problem here. Scott has had experience fighting Magneto before. He fought Magneto even before Storm came around. So not knowing what Magneto is capable of isn't a valid excuse.
Originally posted by Rutog98
In panels four and five, those are not canon. Those came froom X-Men adventures fromt eh TV series. Look, I know my canon well. This was a desperate ploy for you to try and slip this in. I own those issues myself.
Took them off the respect thread. I'll take these back.
Originally posted by Rutog98
In panel six, that was taken from the "Magneto War." The "storm" Ororo was referring to was a magnetic storm. It was not a weather one. There was no weather storm going on there. Regardless, the whole thing is null and void since Magneto was on a magnetic amplification machine to boost his powers. I would like to point out that later in this story, Storm is controlling and redirecting Magneto's energies here:
Um, below you have a pic of her "create and control em fields", so why is a magnetic storm a problem for her, especially when she is supposed to be vastly superior to Magneto. You go from her being able to control energy in any form to her not being able to control this storm because it's a magnetic one, not a weather one. So, make up your mind. What is her power?
And no, she's not controlling Magneto's energies. The pic clearly states she is using Colossus as a lightning rod so she can collect and redirect the energies back into Joseph. Fact one: she needed Colossus to do this, and fact two: this wasn't a battle, so it's not the same as Magneto redirecting Storm's lightning back at her.
Originally posted by Rutog98
And now we get to the first scan. I already dealt with that, so I will just cut and paste what I said earlier:Storm is a much more powerful mutant than Magneto.
Storm is not a more powerful mutant than Magneto by her own account.
Originally posted by Rutog98
The lightning should not have been able to hurt Storm. It is stated in other issues (and shown) that Storm cannot be directly harmed by the manifestations of weather. Hence, she has channeled continent-sized blizzards through her body, is immune to air friction and can breathe at any speed, she always calls lightning down upon herself and has even focused the full electrical power of a storm through her body. Notice how in the scan it is stated that the only reason the bolt hurt her is because she was caught by surprise with it and her body did not compensate for the energy. She should have been able to feel that lightning bolt before it fell. She should have been able to sense Magneto's warping of em fields to attract that bolt from the sky (notice, the bolt hit her first and thus was "filtered" before it hit him. We have never seen Magneto take a bolt directly from the sky.) When injured, Storm's control over lightning, in particular, is weakened. Notice that despite this (and the bolt should not have hurt her to begin with), she was still able to challlenge MAgneto's control over the bolt. She has flown on a bolt of electricity, pulled it out of planetary EM fields (I don't have the scan for that issue, but trust me, she did it!), create and control em fields as she did here: as well as other things.
I see a lot of "should have" in that statement, but the fact is she has never beaten him. Whenever the two appear together, he is always portrayed as superior to her. Hell, he was even able to stop her from using her powers altogether.
And here's something interesting. From the same issue...if Storm is so powerful, why does she need Bishop's help against Magneto?
Originally posted by Rutog98
Blitzkrieg, who's control over electricity far outstrips Magneto's, battled Storm and she beat him big time. Here, he cages Storm in electricity and look at what she does:
Controlling electricity and controlling the EM spectrum are far different, so this statement doesn't matter.
Do you not see a trend?? All of those instances are in a team dyanmic.
Why would Storm be the ONE MEMBER of the team to always take Magneto, or any foe for that matter, out???
It negates the team.
Realistically, Storm is>>>>Magneto.
Storm can manipulate the power of the UNIVERSE in the power of millions of Neutron stars and Magnetars, but she can't work with Magnetos PUNY energies in that Magnetic Storm??🙄
Again, she was within a team.
That won't happen here. There's no team, no distractions, both are BLOODLUSTED. They would bring their best to the table.
Storm can created supersonic winds suffocating him and straining his magnetic powers unto death in mere seconds.
Magneto can turn her lightning against and shut-up her electrical powers(Not winds) as to hurt her or to point where she can't use them. Notwithstanding all are possibilities IF she's caught off gaurd
Storm can summon INSANE amounts of energy with ease, she could possible negate HIS powers which would be NOTHING to her it nacted on her.
etc. etc. fight goes on.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
You have a problem here. Scott has had experience fighting Magneto before. He fought Magneto even before Storm came around. So not knowing what Magneto is capable of isn't a valid excuse.Took them off the respect thread. I'll take these back.
Um, below you have a pic of her "create and control em fields", so why is a magnetic storm a problem for her, especially when she is supposed to be vastly superior to Magneto. You go from her being able to control energy in any form to her not being able to control this storm because it's a magnetic one, not a weather one. So, make up your mind. What is her power?
And no, she's not controlling Magneto's energies. The pic clearly states she is using Colossus as a lightning rod so she can collect and redirect the energies back into Joseph. Fact one: she needed Colossus to do this, and fact two: this wasn't a battle, so it's not the same as Magneto redirecting Storm's lightning back at her.
Storm is not a more powerful mutant than Magneto by her own account.
I see a lot of "should have" in that statement, but the fact is she has never beaten him. Whenever the two appear together, he is always portrayed as superior to her. Hell, he was even able to stop her from using her powers altogether.
And here's something interesting. From the same issue...if Storm is so powerful, why does she need Bishop's help against Magneto?
Controlling electricity and controlling the EM spectrum are far different, so this statement doesn't matter.
your problem celestral is that you are using rational and evidence to debate, you aren't twisting scan to what you think and you are not making a bunch of statements that don't have any merit on what we are talking about. Also you are not useing extream PIS hight feats for mags and extream PIS low feats for storm like the other side is doing expect it's low for mags and high/speculation for storm. so there is no way for you to win this argument because as soon as you show how mags has succeded a thousand times where storm has failed the other side will say it doesn't count and they will use a time of extream PIS to make their point of a classic mags (mages is at least 10 times as power full now) geting beat by an entire team. And then they will say how the team was getting in her way.
