Next up...Storm vs. The Galactus Zombies ...maybe.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Honestly, if a writer wanted CaptainAmerica to beat Galactus, they could have him do it.
Not credibly unless he had an ultimate nullifier or something. (Then it would be a pyrric victory.) That said, Storm can do this realistically as the potential has been there from the beginning with the character. All a writer would have to do is research her history, see the potential and explore it or do a story that pulls it together.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Next up...Storm vs. The Galactus Zombies ...maybe.
Yes. Basically, you can look at FF and BP right now as writers researching the character's history and playing up on some of the elements that have been there since the beginning of the character's existence.
Originally posted by Rutog98Magneto stated it once, so it has to be true for all of her showings?
No. Honestly, she usually holds back and use the lower end of her power. Magneto even stated in canon that she holds back and could beat him otherwise. I don't see what is so hard to grasp. A lot of this has to also do with the writer's conception of the character. During the Kelly/Lobdell/Seagle era, they did not see her the same way as CC. However, CC wrote the vast majority of the character's continuity. There are only about 8 years of so that works in your favor. The rest of the continuity works in my favor and 2loud's. CC stated in interviews what he felt Ororo's power levels were and he showed it in canon. Occassionally, she spiked up and we get a glimpse of what she can truly do. He said that her power is more than just making hurricanes in an interview and we saw her summon the summon the full power of the core after that interview.
Originally posted by Rutog98Oh god, as far as anyone else is concerned, that feat is pis, and she was KOed afterwards... seems like a reasonable limit to me.
This means nothing as we have not seen yet what Storm's highest level is. She summoned the full power of millions of stars and that was not even the limit of her power. That was easy for her. She EASILY overpowered the Trion as well. Now why doesn't she show this kind of power more often? I'll tell you why: look at the villains she faces. She battles Pyro, Mystique, the Inner Circle, etc. Worse, she is in a team dynamic when she fights these characters. Therefore, she will not always display these power levels. If Silver Surfer joined the X-Men and the team fought the same old villains as always, his powers would be written down as well often. The lady's power is up there with the PF. The only thing that keeps her unlimited power in check is her humanity. This is canon and the point of the Rougestorm arc.
Surfer would never join the X-Men, because he's not a mutant, nor is he weak.
He joins groups like the Defenders...
No it isn't. Her showings have never, NEVER depicted her as anywhere near that level. You base this off of one f*cking statement?
Ya, bullshit.
Why didn't she stop Phoenix herself then? Because this would be a perfect test... 🙄
Also, she say controlled one million stars?
At the minimum, Galactus destroyed 10 million stars, and at the maximum, destroyed one trillion stars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxies
Oh wait, sorry, that's "galaxies", not "galaxy".
That's not a million stars, that's a f*cking universe.
But all this still makes him a below Storm level being? 🙄
You two are pathetic.
I can't believe I'm actually having this conversation...
Originally posted by Rutog98Ya he is.
Yeah, but he's no Phoenix-level character. Storm is.
Originally posted by Rutog98If a writer wanted Wolverine to beat Galactus, he could do it... seeing a pattern with the logic here...
Honestly, if a writer wanted her to beat Galactus, they could have her do it. It may trigger an evolution of the character, but it can be done. She would have to draw upon an ENORMOUS amount of power for this fight which could cause her to evolve. That is how she evolved in the Rougestorm arc. She tapped into a lot of power and absorbed it. She did this without thinking of consequences and she set her humanity aside (the very thing that keeps her infinite power in check) and it caused her to evolve.
Wait, didn't she do it, just to try and get rid of a parasite?
She has no infinite power... in fact, she was KOed after a hyperbole feat.
Couldn't save some kids, couldn't stop a hurricane, etc.
But no, she is above Galactus, and on Phoenix's level...
Originally posted by Rutog98Her life force, or whatever is (evidently) stronger than Howards, so your point makes no sense.
Not like Ororo, though. It fuels her power. Put Howard the Duck in a star and lets see what happens. For Storm, she will only get stronger. It would kill him...and Magneto. [/B]
Also, I would actually like to see Storm inside a star and see what happens...ermm
Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Magneto stated it once, so it has to be true for all of her showings?
The logic here is infallible.WRong. Storm and Magneto fought 3 times. The first time he beat her because she was a novice while he was an experienced fighter and had studied her prior to battle. She, on the other hand, was ignorant of his capabilities. The second and third times she fought him, she OVERPOWERED him. He even stated that she could beat him if she did not hold back. They have not exchanged blows since then. That said, I know of at least a dozen story arcs with Storm that puts her WELL above his power levels.
Oh god, as far as anyone else is concerned, that feat is pis, and she was KOed afterwards... seems like a reasonable limit to me.She was not KO'd there. It is not PIS as its in her powerset and has also made it into her bio in the official handbook. Get over it. What you or anybody else thinks is inconsequential. Its the canon that counts. According to canon, she has this power. Ergo, she can do it. End of story.
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Surfer would never join the X-Men, because he's not a mutant, nor is he weak.
He joins groups like the Defenders...
Man, that was not the point. Lets say you had a mutant who could imprint the power of any entity. Lets say they imprinted his power and joined the X-Men...same thing as I stated earlier just use this mutant instead of SS.
No it isn't. Her showings have never, NEVER depicted her as anywhere near that level. You base this off of one f*cking statement?
Ya, bullshit.
Nope. I am basing this off of what CC stated about the character as well as stories he created to reflect what he stated.
Why didn't she stop Phoenix herself then? Because this would be a perfect test... 🙄
This logic does not work. You could state this with numerous characters in other instances. Personally, I think its because in order for Storm to stop Phoenix, she would have to want unlimited power for herself. She imposes limits on herself out of a sense of duty, compassion, humanity, etc.
Also, she say controlled one million stars?
At the minimum, Galactus destroyed 10 million stars, and at the maximum, destroyed one trillion stars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxies
No, she said MILLIONS of stars. Plural.
That's not a million stars, that's a f*cking universe.But all this still makes him a below Storm level being? 🙄
I never said that he was below Storm's power levels. I never said it once. You show me where I did or stop lying. What I said was the lady has the potential for infinite power and given her powerset, she could very well beat Galactus realistically if that is what a writer wanted. The rest of your post is foolish.
Originally posted by Rutog98Certainly looks like a KO to me...
She was not KO'd there. It is not PIS as its in her powerset and has also made it into her bio in the official handbook. Get over it. What you or anybody else thinks is inconsequential. Its the canon that counts. According to canon, she has this power. Ergo, she can do it. End of story.
So, because it was in her bio, that means it is a non-pis feat?
I bet Spider-Man beating Firelord is in Firelord's bio...
It's also canon that she can't beat Apocalypse. We take average showings, not bullshit showings.
Originally posted by Rutog98SS would destroy everyone.
Man, that was not the point. Lets say you had a mutant who could imprint the power of any entity. Lets say they imprinted his power and joined the X-Men...same thing as I stated earlier just use this mutant instead of SS.
Originally posted by Rutog98Interviews? Those things that aren't actually in comics?
Nope. I am basing this off of what CC stated about the character as well as stories he created to reflect what he stated.
Originally posted by Rutog98Actually the logic does work, and you are using assumptions to try and answer it, when the truth is right there...
This logic does not work. You could state this with numerous characters in other instances. Personally, I think its because in order for Storm to stop Phoenix, she would have to want unlimited power for herself. She imposes limits on herself out of a sense of duty, compassion, humanity, etc.
Originally posted by Rutog98Storm said it, yes, even then, still less than trillions...
No, she said MILLIONS of stars. Plural.
Originally posted by Rutog98You said that she was on Pheonix's level, and Galactus is nowhere near as powerful as Phoenix.
I never said that he was below Storm's power levels. I never said it once. You show me where I did or stop lying. What I said was the lady has the potential for infinite power and given her powerset, she could very well beat Galactus realistically if that is what a writer wanted. The rest of your post is foolish.
Now you're just trying to cop-out, so you don't look like an idiot (too late for that).
I think everything you say is foolish, but I still enjoy crushing the shit out of it... good cop-out...
Wolverine could still beat Galactus if the writer wanted to, but it wouldn't be realistic, just like Storm beating him, wouldn't be realistic.
Magneto, Apoc, Storm, and all those guys, are a nut in the shit of Galactus, compared to him.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
It would probably be funny if I coud see it 😆Storm fgoes head-up with Surfer with no fear in her heart and only Confidence.
She's alreaady>>>>>Magneto.
Agreed. Now she needs to start putting cosmics in their places. She's already beat the Trion, the sum of an entire dimension. Surfer is not that.
