Darthgoober's Amalgam Tourney discussion thread

Originally posted by leonidas
again, it is a meshing issue. i made an amlagam CAPABLE of activating the body, hence GRANTING me access to the dhii's ability to assimilate knowledge. i'm not using any SINGLE character to amp past caps. it's the AMALGAM that is allowing me to do so and there is no amping cap (realistically) on how an amalgam can amp. this is not just stealing a soul which is something your amalgam is NOT rfequired for in this tournament. to perform the feat required good meshing of my amalgam.

anyway --

judges FOR assimilation: 3
judges AGAINST: 1

So far people have been told that you can not absorb abilities from another person's body or power category you can do it from the Mind. It is a double standard being placed upon categories.

The other point is that it isn't Leo's mind doing this. He is using his power or body to carry ff the absorbing feat. Seeing as it is already a rule that everyone has agreed upon. there can be no absorbing power in which you DIRECTLY absorb stuff from another character. From the character's computer's or just computer's general yes. But you can not absorb directly from the person. And meshing has no point on this. If someone was able to unleash Rouge's abilities they ability to use them would still be banned.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I think the real issue here isn't that it's a double standard, but the fact that all combatants in this tournament either do not have the means to pull it off and benefit, or for one character in particular, have the means to do so, but not within the rules because he absorbs powers and souls as well.

Becoming smarter is not against the rules.

Stealing your opponents powers is.

Downloading their intelligence and data is not.

It's not the same thing, and it doesn't put the character above caps. I see no problem with anybody doing it so long as they have the means.

And, as Symmetric said, if it were to become an issue that he did absorb an actual power he would not be able to use it anyway (in the same manner in which Emma can't possess people and Warlock can't simply eat all matter). Any attack that's against the rules would be banned and disregarded anyway.

Absorbing abilities that take stuff directly from the person are.

Downloading intelligence and their mind are against the rules.
Use whatever rule you want to the mind possession rule or the rule where no Direct absorbing abilities period and it is illegal.

So what you are saying is that if someone drafted Rogue they would have been fully able to absorb the mind and memories of the person yeah I think no one would have allowed that in. 😬

Edit: And just fun because I just checked the Match thread. I now have 3/4 Votes therefore I won the match 😱

Good job Roldz

So next week's matches? Do they start....today? Tomorrow?

Also, congrats to this week's winners. I don't think we've had a split vote yet....all the winners have swept the judges.

Newjak post 8 of 8

I Win

Now Sir Fuzzy The Lumpkins AKA Maximum Impact gets the night off to do what he does best

Originally posted by DigiMark007
So next week's matches? Do they start....today? Tomorrow?

Also, congrats to this week's winners. I don't think we've had a split vote yet....all the winners have swept the judges.

I've been surprised by the performance of the losing side too, though. Some really good debating from the both sides. ✅

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I've been surprised by the performance of the losing side too, though. Some really good debating from the both sides. ✅

I agree. And so far we haven't had any no-shows, which might be a first for a tourney if we can get through next week with the same quality.

It's just proof though that it's getting harder and harder to win these things. The level of debating and thought we've seen so far from everyone would likely win the first 1-2 tourneys KMC had. It's progressed to insane levels of detail since then.

Originally posted by Newjak
Meshing is not the issue. Absorbing abilities has been banned, power copying has been banned. Your character is absorbing abilities from another.

So far people have been told that you can not absorb abilities from another person's body or power category you can do it from the Mind. It is a double standard being placed upon categories.

The other point is that it isn't Leo's mind doing this. He is using his power or body to carry ff the absorbing feat. Seeing as it is already a rule that everyone has agreed upon. there can be no absorbing power in which you DIRECTLY absorb stuff from another character. From the character's computer's or just computer's general yes. But you can not absorb directly from the person. And meshing has no point on this. If someone was able to unleash Rouge's abilities they ability to use them would still be banned.

judges FOR assimilation: 3

judges AGAINST assimilation: 1

😛

Originally posted by Newjak
I consider Ill a friend as well although I hate him 😮

I hate you too. 😉

Originally posted by leonidas
judges FOR assimilation: 3

judges AGAINST assimilation: 1

😛

And wouldn't be 3 2

Because both SC and Smurph seem to agree with me. 😬

Originally posted by illadelph12
I hate you too. 😉

tighthug

Originally posted by Newjak
Becoming smarter isn't against the rules.

Absorbing abilities that take stuff directly from the person are.

Downloading intelligence and their mind are against the rules.
Use whatever rule you want to the mind possession rule or the rule where no Direct absorbing abilities period and it is illegal.

So what you are saying is that if someone drafted Rogue they would have been fully able to absorb the mind and memories of the person yeah I think no one would have allowed that in. 😬

Edit: And just fun because I just checked the Match thread. I now have 3/4 Votes therefore I won the match 😱

Good job Roldz

Man... 😐

They are completely different properties Newjak. Rogue actually absorbs the powers as well (just as Black Knight does), that's why it would be banned. That's the point you keep ignoring and why your argument is hollow in my eyes. You're trying to force a parallel where there isn't one. DH-II does not take, copy, or absorb powers, he can only download knowledge and skills.

If he used his ability on Cyclops he'd gain his markmanship, skill as a pilot, leadership and tactical knowledge, and possibly his love for telepathic redheads and blondes, all of which are not powers, and all of which are under every cap. He would not, and could not, get Scott's optic blasts.

Rogue, on the other hand, would get all of the above, plus the ability to fire optic blasts (Cyclop's power). That's the distinction between the application of the two abilities and that's where the rule violation falls.

Skill and experience is not a power.

Batman is powerless.

Mr. Terriffic is powerless.

Nick Fury is powerless.

It can be a formidable asset, but it's not a power.

I see no reason why any character in this tournament that has the means to do the same thing (and there is more than 1) can not do it as well. It's open to all participants so long as they have the means.

And it's myself, Digi, and Cassanova for.

Smurf and Symmetric against.

Originally posted by leonidas
judges FOR assimilation: 3

judges AGAINST assimilation: 1

😛

I mean, all the prep stuff is always required to do before each match, not just once. So I say no to taking anything from your opponent that carries to future matches. Skills, powers or any knowledge. Just you and your amalgam against the other, not your amalgam and the stuff taken from other opponents.

I think that the amalgam could use the skill against his opponent in that match, but it could not use it against the next opponent.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I'm kinda against it too. I don't think anything you do in the last match should carry on to the future matches except your memories. 😬

I mean, all the prep stuff is always required to do before each match, not just once. So I say no to taking anything from your opponent that carries to future matches. Skills, powers or any knowledge. Just you and your amalgam against the other, not your amalgam and the stuff taken from other opponents.

I think that the amalgam could use the skill against his opponent in that match, but it could not use it against the next opponent.

Goober already established that stuff can carry from one match to the next though. To change it now would be to reverse a ruling that's been around since before drafts.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I think that the amalgam could use the skill against his opponent in that match, but it could not use it against the next opponent.

That sounds good.

Anyway, I'm done making the case for it.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I think that the amalgam could use the skill against his opponent in that match, but it could not use it against the next opponent.

One last thing, though, in regards to the above:

Acquiring the skill happens upon defeating your opponent, so it's impossible to use it on the person you're currently facing since you haven't acquired it yet. That's essentially a paradox.

Originally posted by illadelph12
One last thing, though, in regards to the above:

Acquiring the skill happens upon defeating your opponent, so it's impossible to use it on the person you're currently facing since you haven't acquired it yet. That's essentially a paradox.

Not if that knowledge/skill is downloaded from tech.

And it would be the same as taking BK's sword off of him durign a fight and killing him with it ... next round you don't get the sword but you still got to use it to help in the previous round.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Goober already established that stuff can carry from one match to the next though. To change it now would be to reverse a ruling that's been around since before drafts.

Does that pertain to things that you take from your opponents?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Not if that knowledge/skill is downloaded from tech.

And it would be the same as taking BK's sword off of him durign a fight and killing him with it ... next round you don't get the sword but you still got to use it to help in the previous round.

I'm not so sure about that Scoob. There's many degrees of seperation between disarming Black Knight and using his sword against him versus learning how to do something yourself/acquiring knowledge.

But as I said, I'm done making the case for it. I think the properties and arguments are pretty much on display for everyone to interpret for themselves.